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Man who would have thought the answer was "not a damn thing."

The 17-120 is nice... And will outlast any camera that they could have announced.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: April 03, 2014, 12:23:58 AM »
I've never used the C100, but most that have them seem to love them and there's no doubt that the image it makes is very good.  Personally, the ergonomics of the Cx00 series don't fit my shooting style, but others LOVE them and if you're one of those that do like it, you can probably do great things with it.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: April 03, 2014, 12:08:04 AM »

What are you using for ENG now? What would you get out of the new stuff?
Right now I have a 5D3 and EF lenses (16-35, 24-105, 70-200 2.8, 2x teleconverter, 28 2.8 IS, 35 f/2.0 IS, 50 1.4, 100 2.8 macro), EOS-M with adapter, and 60D, Tokina 50-135 2.8, Tokina 11-16) and a bunch of other gear (audio, tripods , etc).

I do some event coverage, and documentaries. I want to do more of this. I have been thinking of the C100, at least my lenses would be useful. But I'd also like to have something all-in-one, quick to grab, with a GP all around lens. Thinking of the XA20 or XF200, or maybe even just a little Panasonic camcorder. Not sure what to do. C300 is too much $. Don't know much about the new Panasonic GH4 (with the audio add-on) but I suspect this cam is over-hyped.

What do you think?

My 'bread and butter' camera is a Panasonic 2700(P2 VariCam) w/Fuji HA13x4.5.  I bought the C300 mainly just for sit-down interviews and 'artsy b-roll' for feature pieces, but I do work on one show that specifies the C300 as THE camera(The bulk of that show should really be shot with a "real ENG" camera, but a lens like the 17-120 would help).

I've never shot extensively with a 5 for video.  I have two mkII's and a mkIII, but I bought them for stills.  But I have used my mkIII a few times for a third or fourth angle/lock-off.  We've all seen the beautiful images that can be made with it, but I couldn't imagine trying to cover an event with one.  I look at them primarily as a still cam, but if I look at it in the video sense, it should be more of a specialty camera (interviews, specialty shots/b-roll) not a general ENG camera substitute.  You would be much better served with a true camcorder, like the XF200 you mentioned.  The ergonomics would be MUCH better and the smaller sensor would help, too.  A large sensor when trying to cover an event ENG style can be a hinderance.  Wide aperture lenses wide open with a large sensor equals SHALLOW depth of field which can also equal frustration and missed/blown focus when you really need it.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: April 02, 2014, 07:15:48 PM »
It's not always just about weight.  My ENG camera(lens, battery, VF) is 25-30 lbs and I can shoot a lot longer(and better) than I can with my C300 that clocks in around 10lbs(grip, batt, LCD, and a lens).

That being said, at this point in time, I don't see this lens becoming a part of my arsenal.  Even as ideal as it would be for one of the shows I occasionally work on with the C300(and their rate really doesn't justify it).

EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: April 02, 2014, 02:38:01 PM »
My rep said it was probably going to be either 17-110 or 20-120, BUT it's 17-120 T2.95.  And list is $33K.  Not bad…  Less expensive and wider range than the Fuji Cabrio 19-90.  Now we'll just have to see how it stacks up optically.  The Fuji's are excellent.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: March 31, 2014, 06:03:01 PM »
If the new lens does come in at the range I've heard(wider and longer than the Fuji Cabrio 19-90 and Canon 24-105), it will be very useful.  It's still not in the range of our higher end 2/3" ENG lenses(I own two Fujinon 13x4.5's which are 4.5mm to 59mm and a Fujinon 22x7.8 which is 7.8mm to 172mm.  And they have built-in 2x extenders and macro capabilities), but nothing really exists in that range for s35 cine anyway.

BTW, NHK is supposed to be demonstrating OTA 8K for the first time outside of Japan next week at NAB.  I definitely will be planning on checking that out.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: March 31, 2014, 12:20:03 PM »
mkabi, to my knowledge, those RED sensors have never been released. I remember seeing them talked about years ago, but I never heard anymore than that.

Back to the lens, it's probably going to be over $20k. Likely in the $30k's, at least, but we'll see in a week or less. Spec wise, I haven't heard exact numbers(more correctly, I've heard two or three different, but similar zoom ranges) and I don't want to say the exact numbers that I have heard, but it's supposed to be wider than 20mm and longer than 105mm.  Aperture, I haven't heard either, but hopefully a constant T2.9.   And regarding the picture, I was told this morning by someone that officially they have to say it might be fake, but it's not- unofficially...

But, until Canon releases an announcement it's all rumor.  By this time next week, we should know for sure. NAB really gets cranking Monday.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: March 30, 2014, 03:31:14 PM »
That pic may very well be a fake, it's obviously a picture of someone's screen.  But there is a 'Cabrio' type servo cine lens coming to NAB.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Canon Cine Zoom Lens?
« on: March 30, 2014, 03:17:08 PM »
I hope they release something for non-billionaires

These aren't consumer products intended for consumers(or even rich enthusiasts).

EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 25, 2014, 08:47:49 PM »
There are strong rumours that they are going to release cinema-EOS cameras at NAB that will "steal the show". Do you seriously think that ANY non-4K camera is going to "steal the show"? Really??

Had a 30+ min discussion last week with one of my sales rep.  Do not hold your breath for that 'show stealing' Canon cine-camera this NAB.  Do look for a new cine zoom, though.  Canon likes to keep things under wraps and maybe they're wrong, but my rep is usually pretty much "in the know".  I guess we'll know for sure in about a month and a half...

EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 21, 2014, 07:21:55 PM »
I think everyone is getting worked up over this just a little too much.  These are FIRST and FOREMOST 'STILL' CAMERAS.  (Yes, the 5DII was a still camera that was a game changer in the "video world", but it was still a 'still' camera).  I'm not saying I don't want to see Canon, or anyone else, "not innovate", but seriously, some people are making a mountain out of a mole hill out of this.  I am heavily invested in Canon personally and professionally, between stills and video, to the tune of about $60k, at least, BUT even more in Panasonic.  Professionally, well over six figures, and honestly I couldn't care less about the GH4.  If it wasn't for this forum and one other that I frequent, I wouldn't even know it exists.  I would venture to say that a lot of the people that I work with don't know about it either.  On the pro side, people are just starting to figure out how to work with 4K-barely.  Unbelievably, there are still those that HD is a mystery to.  And it's more widespread than you would think.

I'm not saying I'm not interested in 4K, because I am.  And I doubt I will buy another professional (TV) camera that isn't 4K capable, even though it probably won't even be a selling point to my network clients for years down the road.  But if my next still camera doesn't offer it, I don't care.  Hell, I never shot a frame of video with either of my 5DII's and I've used my 5DIII for video ONCE.  And it wasn't even close to being used as a primary camera.  It was the fourth camera/reversal shot.

EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 20, 2014, 12:46:57 AM »
Reportedly the Samsung Galaxy S5 will record 4K video.

Just what we need, even higher resolution Vertical Video…   ;)

Vertical Video Syndrome - A PSA Small | Large

EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 14, 2014, 01:56:11 AM »
As a "TV guy", shutter is not something we really use like in the "stills" world.  It has and can be used more or less for an effect or in special circumstances(sports), but in general it's as follows:

24P(23.98): 1/48s, 180 degrees, half shutter (all three are essentially the same thing. Depends on how camera is set-up and who you are talking to, although 180 and half shutter adjust automatically with the frame rate[i.e. if I'm set at half shutter and I bumped up to say 60 fps the shutter speed would become 1/120s; 30fps = 1/60s, etc.)

60P(59.94): OFF (which is 1/60s)

I'm also talking about dedicated, purpose built video cameras, not something like a 5D/7D who's shutter system is designed for stills.

We (generally)don't use shutter speed as an exposure tool, we use ND and aperture and now with the advent of digital cinema cameras, ISO(I have never really used + gain much when shooting "video" to keep noise to an absolute minimum).  High shutter speeds in video turn to crap in a hurry(usually once you start getting around 1/250 and up, although I've had video ops dislike the look of 1/120s @ 60fps).  You don't get enough motion blur in moving objects and everything begins to look like a cardboard cutout.  I've had debates with some "local" tv photogs that do use shutter for exposure control, and ones that think that it looks good.  "You can see the individual snow flakes/rain drops, etc.".  That's all well and good IF you're shooting high speed super slo-mo, but it looks horrible in real-time.

Software & Accessories / Re: PS Photography Program
« on: February 08, 2014, 01:03:43 PM »
The recent Adobe offer for $9.99/month looks like a good deal. You get PS CC and LR5. I mainly use LR4 to touchup my photos (raw) and upload to SmugMug. I am an amateur. My question is what can I do in CC that I cannot do in LR4 for my BASIC touchups (exposure,noise,cropping,shadows,highlights etc.).

You can have the privilege of giving Adobe $10 per month for every month that you want to use their software instead of buying it once and being done with it, like with your existing copy of LR.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon naming policy
« on: January 18, 2014, 05:29:01 PM »
Canon EOS naming scheme on Wikipedia:


Yeah, sorry. Totally don't agree that the 5D line is "prosumer". It is extensively used by literal professionals in the wedding and portraiture arenas. There is no question that the 5D is professional. The 7D, while not as often used by professionals as a primary camera, is frequently used by professionals as a backup. Additionally, the feature set wise, the 7D has the closest featureset to the 1D line.

I have to agree with the manufacturer. I know a lot of pros use the 5D, it is a great camera, but it also extremely popular with consumers, especially here in Asia Pacific, which by definition makes it prosumer. Nothing wrong with that, it is an amazing camera.

As for the OP, I think 7D mark II as a name, works well.

By that logic, the 1DX could be classified 'prosumer'.  There are many people on this board that own the 1DX, but aren't "professional" photographers.  Hell, there are those out there(you know who I'm referring to  ;) ) that classify ALL 35mm cameras as consumer.

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