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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming March 9
« on: February 25, 2015, 10:32:50 AM »
Maybe i was a bit unclear at first. I do not want LR to be everything that PS is. I kust want it to be everything a photographer needs.

But that's just it, we all have different needs.  Add them all together and you get an extremely comprehensive, complicated program - called Photoshop.  Lightroom was designed to be streamlined.

The HDR is a fair point, at this point it's considered a basic tool of the modern photographer.  Probably something I never noticed because I just don't care for it much.  When I do do HDR I usually blend it with several layers, manually, to get a non-HDR look.  And at that point I'm already 7 layers deep in Photoshop.  But I know many people that use Enfuse in LR to get the look they want, so hopefully LR6 will eliminate that need.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming March 9
« on: February 25, 2015, 10:28:22 AM »
How is it not already?  Because it can't do layers?  Or pixel-level editing?

My one major grief is that you cannot extend the canvas, i.e. on rotate there's no way to heal-fill an area, you *have* to delete the part that is rotated out of the rectangle. The same goes for fixing a too tight framing. This is stupid because after a trip to a pixel editing app (converting raw->tiff, doh) and adding some space around the shot LR's heal/clone brush works just fine for this purpose.

Sure, but if we took a poll I'd bet we get a long list of wants that could be put into Lightroom.  Put all those together, and you have Photoshop.

LR was designed as a database management program, along with the tools to non-destructively "develop" your photos, in a traditional sense - exposure, colors, gradients, white balance, sharpening, cropping, B&W, etc.  They've gone beyond that in adding things like the new healing tool and localized adjustment because it's so frequently used by photographers.  Don't get me wrong, I think it's great they put that feature in, one of the best additions in awhile.  But it blurs the line between non-destructive LR and pixel-level PS.  And you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.  I get what you're saying, you could use the healing tool that's already there to draw in the boarders, but at that point you're creating pixels, and I just see that as PS territory. Not to mention, I can only imagine what it would require to do that non-destructively.

They're welcome to put all the features they can in LR (providing it doesn't slow it more).  I'm certainly not against that.  But I don't see criticizing it as being a lousy program for doing something it was never designed to do.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming March 9
« on: February 24, 2015, 12:57:54 PM »
It is about high time that with release 6.0 Adobe hopefully delivers a stand-alone Lightroom, that makes it unnecessary for photographers to use PS or any other PP software in addition to LR. I have been waiting a rather long time for exactly such a COMPLETE PP software FOR STILLS PHOTOGRAPHERS.   :)

How is it not already?  Because it can't do layers?  Or pixel-level editing?  You're not asking for a standalone photo editor, which LR is, you just want Lightroom to be Photoshop, which it isn't.  LR5 already bridged the gap far more than I expected them to with the changes to the healing brush and localized editing.  If you want to edit pixels then you need Photoshop.  If you want to composite you need photoshop.  But Lightroom is more than capable to do all the "developing" of a traditional stills photographer, and much much more.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming March 9
« on: February 19, 2015, 06:24:19 PM »
I got the download to version 5.  taking a gamble on the free update to 6 that was mentioned earlier in this thread

Got it.  Well, if you paid to upgrade to 5 then they'd most likely give you a free upgrade to 6, or refund, if it's released within 30 days from now.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming March 9
« on: February 19, 2015, 05:37:41 PM »
Wow.  I've just spent the last 20 minutes on live chat with someone from Adobe.

After reading this thread I am interested in upgrading my LR 4.4 and wanted to know if I have to have the LR5 version first.

I have CS6 stand alone and LR 4.4 stand alone and am not interested in paying a monthly subscription for something I already have, apart from the latest LR versions.

I'm only a hobby photographer and trying me best to learn and how to edit.

I found it quite difficult to find any upgrade option on the Adobe site apart from signing up to the creative cloud suite.

From my live chat I have now been given the page to update my LR version, which is what I was after.  I then had another 10 minutes of being sold on joining the CC monthly subscription for the products I own in full, apart from the latest LR version.

The person didn't seem to understand I don't need to subscribe a monthly fee to something I already own the stand alone products for and was sending me links to sign up my monthly sub.

It was quite comical in the end haha.

All good though, and will be looking at what the new version of LR can offer me.

Technically you don't have the latest Photoshop, there's been two major updates since then.  We (the non-subscribers) can't access the latest version.

What was the upgrade link, to LR5 or LR6?  You shouldn't need LR5 to upgrade to LR6, once it came out.  If you got some sort of early link to LR6... well...  what was that number again?

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming March 9
« on: February 19, 2015, 02:03:15 PM »
From LR5 to LR6 we had roughly 20 month. Even if one chose the $9.99 CC payment model, that is quite a lot for an update. (Let's say $5 for LR per month, equals $100, your perspective might vary of course)

The CC model is more expensive, looking back to my 22 years being an Adobe customer.

I hope they allow me to buy the upgrade, otherwise I'm not interested.

If you're only looking at it for Lightroom, then of course the subscription model is more expensive.  It's when you add in $600+ Photoshop versions that it becomes economically beneficial.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming Very Soon
« on: February 19, 2015, 01:21:59 PM »
My real problem with it is for LR.  It's a database, and I don't want to lose access my database simply because I stop paying a subscription.

You won't.

This went largely under the radar:

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2014/07/what-happens-to-lightroom-after-my-membership-ends.html

"With the latest update to Lightroom 5.5 I believe we’ve also addressed a lingering concern in the community: What happens to my photographs after my membership ends?  With Lightroom 5.5, at the end of a membership, the desktop application will continue to launch and provide access to the photographs managed within Lightroom as well as the Slideshow, Web, Book or Print creations that we know many photographers painstakingly create."

Very interesting.  Thanks for that, looks like Adobe did listen.  That provides a lot of comfort, in my opinion.  Enough that I'll probably go CC once I feel I got my $600 out of CS6.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming Very Soon
« on: February 19, 2015, 11:31:29 AM »
I would never buy the $9.99 bundle because it's a ripoff for those like me that don't use PS.

Is it? That seems highly subjective. I was on LR 3.5 a year or so ago. It was either pony up 100 bucks up front for a one time purchase... or just pay 10 bucks a month, locked in for one year. Roughly the same price. And if you look at is as having free upgrade insurance and access to photoshop... not sure "ripoff" is terribly accurate.

LR upgrades are $79 every 1.5 to 2 years, or about $4.40 a month.  So, yes, $9.99 a month is a ripoff for those, like me, that don't use PS.  Note that I do use PS Elements, but the last upgrade cycle I skipped from version 3 to version 9, and got version 9 at Costco for about $80 or so.  So, that's $80 every 6 years or another $1.11 a month.  Would you pay $9.99 for something you like less than what you were paying $5.50 for?  I'd call that a rip off.

Fortunately, LR will likely remain on perpetual license, at least for a while if not a long while.

So you consider $4.49 per month for the best imaging editing software on the planet a ripoff? That is idiotic.

I can understand not wanting it and not wanting to pay for it if you don't use it, but $4.49 for anything a month is not a ripoff. Consider that PS as a standalone was $650, that is over ten years of monthly payments of $4.49 with no upgrades.

Again, I can understand not using it and not paying for it, but it isn't a ripoff.

I don't care for the subscription model, especially for a database program like Lightroom, but it's hard to deny that it's a good deal.  I went from Photoshop 7, to CS2, to CS6... far from being a continual upgrader, and still, I spent far more than I would have with a monthly subscription.

My real problem with it is for LR.  It's a database, and I don't want to lose access my database simply because I stop paying a subscription.  Though I think it highly unlikely that they'll get rid of the perpetual option for LR.  The price point is too low, and there's too much competition.  They're trying to get the market of casual photographers, people who would never do a subscription model.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming Very Soon
« on: February 19, 2015, 10:56:10 AM »

As far as PS is concerned, I really absolutely dislike everything about it ... namely 
* the whole editing concept requiring stacks of layers (what are those good for, LR works fine without them)
* tool palettes strewn all over the place, lack of a coherent menu system
* being forced to memorize dozens of keyboard shortcuts [I never use any except CTRL-C,V,F]
* use of bloated file formats - PSDs/TIFFs, instead of just RAWs and jpgs (as in LR)
* don't ever need 95% of the software's theoretical functionality [I don't do composites of any sort, no stacking, no HDRs, always work from just one single capture/RAW file]
* absurd pricing level, especially for the 5% of functionality useful to me

Got no trouble whatsoever using Lightroom, since its UI is much more clear cut and intuitive (to me). And more similar to the UI in MS Office / Windows.

Nothing personal, but it's obvious that you're not very good in PS, nor do you really understand what it's for.  Layers are the entire point, if you're not using layers, then there's little point to using PS.  There's all kinds of work that requires layers, just because it's not something you do, doesn't mean it doesn't have its purpose.

As to the "outdated" interface.  I guess those of us that have been using it for 20 years like that we know where everything is. 

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: In Stock: Rokinon 50mm f/1.4 at B&H Photo
« on: February 17, 2015, 10:28:26 AM »
Plus a MF lens is easier to focus manually than an AF lens in manual.

How's that?

Autofocus lenses generally have a very short "throw", i.e. the total angular turn from min to max focus distance. This generally make autofocus perform better/faster but makes manual focus difficult as the slightest turn can significantly change the focus point---a major concern when the DOF is very shallow.

Manual and cine lenses have a much greater throw to simplify manual focusing (or focus pulling with video).

Hmm, ok.  I wish I could blame missing focus in Manual on my throw, and not my eyes.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: In Stock: Rokinon 50mm f/1.4 at B&H Photo
« on: February 16, 2015, 07:31:56 PM »
Plus a MF lens is easier to focus manually than an AF lens in manual.

How's that?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Skipping the 5D-s. What do you want in 5D4?
« on: February 12, 2015, 11:40:43 AM »

Possible add-ons

- Built-on RT transmitter
- Bring back different Focusing Screens. EG-s especially.
- Glowing buttons like the D4.

A built-in radio transmitter is long overdue.

+1.  But it needs WiFi if you add RT.

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Lighting / Re: Yongnuo YNE3-RX for Canon RT System
« on: February 11, 2015, 10:46:34 AM »
I couldn't find mention of this anywhere else on site.

Like here? http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=25022.msg494370#msg494370

My apologies for a most grievous error .  When I did a search for the part number nothing came up; which I found surprising.   Always a pleasure Marsu   ::)

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EOS Bodies / Re: After a 50MP camera what is the next breakthrough?
« on: February 10, 2015, 06:59:37 PM »
Built in RF for off-camera flash and WiFi.  I want to walk around with my tablet adjusting flash power/ratios/zoom in all my groups, as well as camera settings, while checking composition in Live View, snapping photos and reviewing all from my tablet - all from the same program.  Sadly, all the technology is already there, I guess there just isn't enough of a market to put money into development.

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Lighting / Yongnuo YNE3-RX for Canon RT System
« on: February 10, 2015, 04:50:35 PM »
I couldn't find mention of this anywhere else on site.  Looks really impressive for those with both 600ex-RT and 580exII flashes.

http://flashhavoc.com/yongnuo-yne3-rx-receiver-released/

Now all we need is for Canon to put their RT system into a camera body...

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