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Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 17, 2014, 08:23:46 PM »
But Canon hasn't updated their sensors since 1969 and Sonikon sensors get 9,001 more stops of dynamic range and some say if the 7D mkII sensor isn't revolutionary Canon will die!

Or so I read in a forum on the Internet last Thursday  ;)

Well, that's absolutely true.
 8)

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Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 17, 2014, 02:41:33 AM »
... just trying to illustrate for those who insist DxO DR measurements have any bearing on reality.

Well, as LetTheRightLensIn said, it DOES have a bearing on reality.
You get cleaner shadows, which does contribute to better photographic DR as well.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 17, 2014, 02:33:37 AM »
While they were looking it up they pointed out that their system indicated Canon is discontinued.

It wouldn't be all that surprising if a high-resolution 5DIV is announced at Photokina next month.
But I'd be surprised if the 5DIII is already discontinued.
I'd fully expect that the 5DIII will continue selling alongside the 5DIV at least for a while.

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Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 17, 2014, 02:22:26 AM »
I think we'll see a toned down new tech and then a relatively quick upgrade to the full-frame bodies with the full fledged new tech.

Yup. If a 7DII is announced (the 5DIV is also a possibility, mind you), it will at best have the ISO of the 5DII.
So, the 6D and 5DIII will still remain better.
The new tech should bring more substantial DR improvements, though.

And like I said, don't rule out the possibility of a high-resolution 5DIV at Photokina.

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Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 17, 2014, 02:13:52 AM »
By downsizing, you are lowering the noise floor - and voila, DR gets improved too.

In practice, you will see this as cleaner shadows in the downsized image.
So, downsizing has practical value too; it's not just a synthetic measure that DxO uses
(even though DxO's normalized DR is in fact synthetic).

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Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 17, 2014, 02:07:46 AM »
... Clipped shadows and highlights do not magically reveal detail because the noise level went down. There is no detail to reveal at that point.

DxO's definition of dynamic range is the definition some guy looking at an oscilloscope might come up with if he had never touched a camera. It is not photographic dynamic range.

You are both right and wrong at the same time  ???.

Yes, downsizing does nothing for clipped shadows and highlights.

OTOH, though, the one and only definition of DR in signal processing is basically the ratio of max signal vs noise floor.
By downsizing, you are lowering the noise floor - and voila, DR gets improved too.
That's per the one and only definition of DR, that is 8).
Clipped shadows and highlights remain clipped. 


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Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 16, 2014, 01:03:53 PM »
But they do seem quite confident ...

But I'm not confident at all ... in their confidence 8).

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Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 16, 2014, 12:49:20 PM »
What is the general consensus?  I suspect these specs will be fairly accurate because and that the camera will be announced in September because:

1. CR seems fairly confident, both about specs and an imminent announcement.
2. Canon is due for a major camera release.
3. The specs are very similar to previously published specs regarding prototypes.
4. The specs make sense for this camera and its target market!

Anyone else agree, or have a contrary opinion?

You are basically assuming that CanonRumors somehow has correct info.
If they do, your points make sense.

The thing is, I haven't seen a single CanonRumors post on the 7DII that is anything but speculation/wishlist.

Consider this latest rundown of rumors on the 7DII:
How many megapixels will the 7DII have? And how many AF points?
These are the easy numbers for anyone with insight info - especially the megapixel count.

There's the 12fps number - but without the more important numbers, the 12fps number is not confidence  inspiring.

Overall, I think that there is no real info about the 7DII on this site ... less than a month before announcement.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Another Nikon full-frame
« on: August 10, 2014, 06:14:20 PM »
A high resolution FF camera definitely has its place in the Canon camera lineup, but so does an APS-C camera with more bells and whistles (not that I particularly desire either personally).

Agree. That's why it hard to guess what the Photokina announcement will be.
Either one is a possibility and it all depends on how Canon sees it.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Another Nikon full-frame
« on: August 10, 2014, 05:55:15 PM »

While its true that Camera sales are down, as Canon noted, high end camera sales are climbing.  That hasn't been overlooked by Nikon, if they are indeed planning another Full Frame Body.

Yes ... but that's not because Nikon is in trouble.
That's the point of contention here.

Both the 5DIII and D800 have proven very successful and have shown that there is a place for both types of cameras at the high end.

So, it's not surprising that Nikon will likely be announcing a 5DIII-type of camera at Photokina.
Why not  monetize on the need for such a camera in their lineup?

As for Canon: what if they announces a 40mp 5DIV at Photokina?
Will that be an act of desperation? A me-too response to the D810?

Certainly not. Just good business for Canon - and same for Nikon.

Why try to spin it as if either one is doing it because they are in trouble ??

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Another Nikon full-frame
« on: August 10, 2014, 05:37:10 PM »
Christmas magic?  Blind foolishness?

Heh. That's certainly a possibility.
But if they miss, they will be taking a big beating from investors.

I think the suits know better - and they know something that we don't  8).

If I have to guess what will make a bigger splash at Photokina - and a bigger impact
on the bottom line - that would be a 40mp 5DIV, not a 7DII.
Just sayin'.


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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Another Nikon full-frame
« on: August 10, 2014, 05:14:49 PM »
The point is, despite a 19% drop in DSLR sales (on a yearly basis), Canon remains positive about the yearly outlook.

As I said, that's the real indication that there will be a new, high-value DSLR announced at Photokina.
Otherwise, how do you remain positive with a 19% drop in sales.

The question is, which will be a better seller: a 7DII or a high-resolution 5DIV?
Or maybe both ??

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Another Nikon full-frame
« on: August 10, 2014, 04:51:46 PM »
Aah. I should have been more clear. Camera sales were down, not printer sales  8).

From the Reuters' link:
Quote
Camera sales, however, fell by 22 percent year-on-year in the quarter ...

And straight from Canon (see page 12):
http://www.canon.com/ir/conference/pdf/conf2014q2e.pdf
  • Interchangeable Lens Digital Cameras: -19%
  • Compact Digital Cameras: -38%

Also see this commentary from Thom Hogan. It's a good read:
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/canon-posts-quarterly-resul.html

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Another Nikon full-frame
« on: August 10, 2014, 04:16:10 PM »
Well they'd better do it quickly, because apparently they're not doing it at the moment ...

Canon has already cut their sales forecast for this year ... twice.

So, it's not like Nikon is struggling, while Canon is riding a wave of success.
This is just the state of the DSLR market is right now.
Apparently,  a saturation point has been reached and the market is stale/shrinking.

As for the rumored Nikon FF camera: it makes a lot of sense, actually.
When the D800 was released, many felt that it was not a real D700 successor - and this sentiment has not
changed with the D810 announcement.

If Nikon is smart, the rumored camera will be the D710: a D810 with a 24mp sensor and a faster frame rate.
That would be the true D700 successor and many will be buying that rather than the D810.

Same for Canon, btw.
A 5DIV with 40MP and 4-5fps frame rate will be disappointment for many 5DIII owners, who would rather see
only a modest increase in resolution - but more tangible improvements in ISO, DR, and frame rate.

Overall, one size doesn't fit all in this segment.
Some would rather have a high resolution and are OK with a slower frame rate, while others would rather have
it the other way round. 

Back to the quarterly/yearly projections:
Despite lagging sales for the last two quarters (vs 2013), Canon was optimistic for the overall yearly outlook.
That's the best indication that they will be announcing a new DSLR at Photokina, which will be contributing to
the bottom line.

The question is, will that be the 7DII or a high-resolution 5DIV?

Considering how Canon and Nikon have model/feature parity at every price level, basically,
I'd say that the latest Nikon rumors just increase the probability of a 5DIV vs a 7DII at Photokina.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7DII - where are the leaks ??
« on: August 09, 2014, 04:12:38 PM »
If they don't appear in another 3 weeks then maybe the 7D2 is the Yeti.

Meanwhile, the latest rumor in Nikon-land is that Nikon will be announcing a new FF camera at Photokina:
http://nikonrumors.com/2014/08/08/another-full-frame-nikon-dslr-camera-coming-for-phiotokina.aspx/

So, no 7DII competitor from Nikon. Instead, a new FF camera.

Canon and Nikon are evenly matched, basically, at every price level.
The Nikon rumor just increased the probability of a 5DIV at Photokina over a 7DII, IMO.

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