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EOS Bodies / Re: Sony Sensors Coming to Canon DSLRs? [CR1]
« on: December 17, 2014, 02:29:10 AM »
As others, I also think that it would be great if Canon starts using Sony sensors.
At the same time, though, I have a hard time believing that it will happen.

It's maybe possible that only a single DSLR model could use a high-megapixel Sony sensor (a new 1Ds model?).
I don't see them doing an en-mass switch to Sony, though.

According to some industry estimates, Canon's sensor business is a billion dollar business.
Corporations just don't walk away from a business like that.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Listed as Discontinued at Amazon UK
« on: October 27, 2014, 04:21:57 PM »
Cameraegg is reporting that Amazon UK has listed the 6D as discontinued. I really hope it's true as I want to buy a 6D but would prefer an upgraded version (as per other discussions). Could Canon be fast tracking this project to respond to the flurry of new Nikon full frame models? One can only hope.

http://www.cameraegg.org/canon-eos-6d-listed-as-discontinued-at-amazon-uk/

Even if the only change they make is modern autofocus I would be satisfied but a few more upgrades would be better.

My wish list:
DPAF
At least 19 cross type AF points (50 would be better)
Flip out touchscreen
2 card slots

Essentially a 70D with full frame and some tweaks

http://www.cameraegg.org/canon-eos-6d-listed-as-discontinued-at-amazon-uk/

I'm afraid this won't happen unless 5D4 with significantly better specs is released. Otherwise, that would cannibalize 5D3 like hell.

It would be much better for Canon if the 5DIII sales are cannibalized by its own model than by Nikon.

Realistically, though, I also expect to see a 5DIV before the 6DII, as the 5DIII is in a more urgent need
of an upgrade than the 6D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 19, 2014, 12:48:41 PM »
To call this camera "entry-level" is nonsense.  Yes, its simpler and has fewer features, but they kept the right ones in, especially if what you want is a full-frame camera that's a bit smaller and more portable.  I know plenty of professionals who use this camera to make money.  I think its a bargain compared to a Mk3 and I love full-frame shooting, so the new 7D doesn't thrill me anyway.

The irony is that Canon obviously designed the 6D to not be used by pros.
And yet, pros are the ones working around its limitations with the least complaints.
They love the results and find the 6D a bargain, considering how quickly the camera pays for itself.
And since the camera has paid for itself, pros are likely to quickly upgrade when a successor is announced.

For non-pros, it's a different story: for $2K, I'm expecting a full-featured camera, which I'll likely keep for years.
Thus, while others see the 6D as a bargain, I see it as a poor long-term purchase - due to its limited features
and poor overall value as a long-term purchase.

Note, though, that when Nikon hits the jackpot with a model (D3, D300, D750), Canon follows suit in a couple of years.
So, it can be fully expected that in (at most) two years, Canon will have a worthy competitor to the D750.
And at that time, it won't be worth arguing whether the 6DII is crippled or not  8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 15, 2014, 11:08:09 AM »
All Canon would have to do to a 6DMKII for it to sell like hotcakes is to upgrade the AF system on it.

Of course Canon are aware of that - but why would they want to do such a thing?

So that people buy the 6DII and not the D750 ??? ??

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 15, 2014, 03:54:35 AM »
... I think what most users including myself have issues with the 6D is that as a consumer you feel Canon is NOT giving you "great value" for your money when they take the AF system back to one center cross-type, while Nikon doesn't seem to cripple their bodies in the same way. 

Exactly!

Despite the 'entry level' moniker, the 6D is still a $2K camera.
And at that price, I'm expecting a fully featured camera - not one with a single cross-type AF point.

I think Nikon nailed the formula for 'entry-level' FF with the D750.
Canon would be leaving money on the table if they don't have a competitor.

As for cheaper FF models:
The problem is that it makes no business sense to offer FF for say $1200.
Thus, FF cameras can never be cheap enough to appeal to mass market.
They will remain premium models - and the D750 is now setting the standard for how
a camera in this class needs to be spec'd and priced. 
I don't think we'll see new FF models introduced at lower prices than that.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 80D????
« on: October 02, 2014, 02:21:27 PM »
I would guess 2016. They'll give the 7DII it's time in the sun.

+1

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: LensRentals.com Introduces Keeper
« on: October 02, 2014, 02:16:05 PM »
Fantastic news! It has always made sense that they do that.

And what a catchy marketing name.
Great job, LensRentals.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon announced D750
« on: September 13, 2014, 06:38:26 PM »
That's not how it always works. The item to look at is profits, not revenue.
If Nikon was making more profits from the D610 (and that could easily be the case despite the lower price- same body type as D600, fewer features, almost a year into its life cycle) then cannibalizing the D610 will hurt them.

True. But the safe assumption is that the higher the price, the higher the margin.

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However, as many suggest it might be a way to quietly wrap up the controversy-ridden D6xx line.

Hmm. I haven't thought about that - but it makes a lot of sense, actually.

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Images of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 13, 2014, 06:17:30 PM »
Nikon 750D looks like the most affordable, decently capable, UNIVERSAL digital camera.
+1000. I couldn't have said it better myself.

And the price is right.

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Both 6D and D610 unfortunately are too crippled as serious, longer-term useful, UNIVERSAL cameras ...
Exactly.

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Images of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 13, 2014, 06:09:29 PM »

Seriously, it would have been much cheaper and easier for me to upgrade to the 7DII.


So, in your specific case, the 7DII beats the D750.

Nope.

Had it had a better sensor, it would have been a no brainer.
But now. Sorry.

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Images of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 13, 2014, 06:03:50 PM »
Seriously, there is a camera tailor-made for you and you won't make the jump?  Honestly, what are you waiting for?   

Seriously, it would have been much cheaper and easier for me to upgrade to the 7DII.

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Just make the jump to the Nikon D750 and the NR board!

Thanks, I'll consider it 8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: More Images of the Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 13, 2014, 05:46:52 PM »
This is not a troll attempt, i really would like to hear people's thoughts on the upcoming 7D Mark II when put up against the new Nikon D750.

Technically, the 7DII and the D750 are not supposed to be compared, as one is FF and the one is crop.
The two cameras will be close in price, though. So, they will both be under consideration for enthusiasts looking to step up from their current gear.
And to me at least, the D750 is much more appealing than the 7DII.

When Canon and Nikon announced their entry-level FF cameras, I was underwhelmed.
Despite the 'entry-level' moniker, these are still premium, expensive cameras.
And yet, except for the FF sensors, their specs are somewhat modest (especially the 6D).

The D750 fully addresses my concerns.
With a modern FF sensor and an advanced AF system, it's a camera that can last me for years.
Thus, the higher prices tag becomes justifiable for me.

I can't say the same thing about the 7DII.
I'm still a crop user and I was hoping that the 7DII would have an updated sensor.
From the rumored specs, though, the sensor doesn't promise to be a meaningful improvement.
So, despite the great specs, its appeal as an upgrade option for me is limited.

Not that I'll be switching to Nikon right away.
But it's very nice to know that  there's a very appealing FF camera out there with specs that are tailored to my needs, basically.
And whenever I get the urge to switch to FF, I can do it without a second thought 8).

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7DII Sensor pixel density done to full frame
« on: September 13, 2014, 12:38:42 PM »
20.2 * 1.6 * 1.6 = 51.71

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon announced D750
« on: September 13, 2014, 12:04:42 PM »
D610 is the one I think will be most cannibalized ...

If the more expensive model cannibalizes the cheaper one, that's good news for the company, as they are making more money.

The reverse scenario is the one that you don't want.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed
« on: September 13, 2014, 04:35:11 AM »
I did this because there is severe misunderstanding by certain people in this thread regarding the meaning of these two terms.

Canon is using 14-bit RAW files. So, the range between the min and max values will be 14 EVs.

In a high contrast scene, you are likely going to clip both highlights and shadows.
Thus, you will have RAW values a ranging from 0 to 16,384  - which the histogram will show as 14-stops of DR.

The thing is, even though you've captured light intensities ranging between 0 and 16,384 - which is 14-stops of DR (technically) - you are not taking into consideration the noise.

You can't ignore noise, though, as it actually limits DR.
As per Imatest, which you are using as a reference, DR is closely related to noise: high noise implies low dynamic range.

So, you are claiming that Canon sensor have 14 stops of DR - but that's only if you ignore the noise.
Without accounting for the noise, any camera that uses 14-bit RAWs will technically have 14-stops of DR.
But when you consider the noise as well, the real DR will be less.

The engineering definition of DR does account for noise - and so does DxO.

I summary, this is the mistake that you are making: you are ignoring the noise.
Think this through and you will see that you can't do that.

Here's a good article with the theory and some good illustrations (it's from a professor in physics):
http://theory.uchicago.edu/~ejm/pix/20d/tests/noise/noise-p3.html

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