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EOS Bodies / Re: Will Canon answer Sony's new cinema cameras
« on: September 22, 2014, 02:34:53 AM »
And no, Sony and Canon don't care about the AJA CION, AJA will probably be out of business entirely this time next year. They also don't particularly care about the other CMOSIS cams from Blackmagic, those are only relevant to internet fanboys. The FS7's design process started around the introduction of the C300 and it aimed directly at it in ways they thought Canon would have trouble matching within the product cycle. E.g. the ENG crossover ergonomics as mentioned. But I think Canon will have an answer by NAB, they aren't far off.

Also the C100 does allow LANC focus control. Doesn't work terrifically good but it does work. They will have Wifi focus worked out well for the next generation.

Yes the F55 is being used for high-end TV, I've watched the Wachowskis use it for Sense8.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will Canon answer Sony's new cinema cameras
« on: September 21, 2014, 06:57:40 PM »
No one uses timecode anymore. Plural Eyes is arguably better than timecode given sound travels only 1 foot/ms.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will Canon answer Sony's new cinema cameras
« on: September 21, 2014, 12:03:39 AM »
I posted here amongst other places on the week the C100 shipped that there was no point to owning the C100 without the Ninja external recorder. That combo gave you the same direct-to-ProRes workflow of the Alexa along with the same 1080p24 image the C300 or C500 would give you via external recorder (OK plus and minus some minor color science tweaks), for only $7000 then and $5000 today.

The GH4 and FS7 do 4K internally but it's so ignorant to restrict yourself to comparing internal recording only. External recorders are standard throughout professional production, often with many formats being recorded simultaneously for various purposes.

The GH4 has something like 1100 lph resolution internally while the FS7 has an incredibly impressive 1700 lph internal. The FS7 is just about the first cam I'm aware of that really has a workable 4K internal workflow (RED certainly doesn't). It's a formidable entry and does easily outperform the C100/C300 at native ISO, with over a stop better DR and over three times more distinguishable pixels, all into a compressed format on commodity media. The FS7 completely eclipses the CX00 series from what we know now (incl ergonomics), but I have yet to see IR and low-light tests (the Canons are awesome there). SLog3/SGamut3Cine is very workable color though you may prefer Canon Log as a starting point, a matter of taste. The FS7 examples so far haven't had competitively good grading (look at the new Panasonic Varicam demo video for truly pro grading).

Canon has its work cut out for it catching Sony, I think they can do it, but right now Sony is very much in the lead.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New EOS Pro Body With 46mp Next Month? [CR1]
« on: September 19, 2014, 01:20:50 PM »
You can get an A7S+Ninja 4k recorder+A7R+metabones adapter for Canon lenses for like $7000. $2000 less.

The "Ninja 4K recorder" is called SHOGUN.

If Sony have the same sensor that's not so bad for Canon as Canon has a more mature ecosystem and design. But if the whole industry is just using the same Sony sensors it's going to be a marginal business and all our photos are going to look more or less alike, as if we were all shooting on the same emulsion.

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EOS Bodies / Re: LP-E6N in 5DMK III
« on: September 17, 2014, 11:10:03 PM »
Aha I dug out the answer on usa.canon.com

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Product Compatibility List for
 Battery Pack LP-E6N
  2764B034AA
  EOS 5D Mark II
  EOS 5D Mark II EF 24-105mm Kit
  EOS 5D Mark III
  EOS 5D Mark III EF 24-105mm IS Lens Kit
  EOS 60D
  EOS 60D Body Refurbished
  EOS 60D EF-S 18-135mm IS Lens Kit
  EOS 60D EF-S 18-135mm Kit refurb
  EOS 60D EF-S 18-200mm IS Lens Kit
  EOS 60Da
  EOS 6D
  EOS 6D 24-105mm IS USM Lens Kit
  EOS 70D
  EOS 70D EF-S 18-135mm IS STM Lens Kit
  EOS 70D EF-S 18-55mm IS STM Lens Kit
  EOS 7D
  EOS 7D EF 28-135mm IS USM Lens Kit
  EOS 7D EF-S 18-135mm IS Lens Kit
  EOS 7D Mark II
  EOS 7D Mark II Kit
  RFD 6D BODY
  RFD EOS 60DA
  RFD60D18-200
  RFD7D18-135
  RFD7D28-135
  Refurbished EOS 5D Mark III

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EOS Bodies / Re: LP-E6N in 5DMK III
« on: September 17, 2014, 11:07:11 PM »
Does anyone have an answer yet? I would think Canon is dropping the ball on selling an awful lot of batteries for their old cameras if they don't allow backward compatibility.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New EOS Pro Body With 46mp Next Month? [CR1]
« on: September 17, 2014, 11:02:34 PM »
I think Canon has to do something like this, not only to finally respond to the D800 (they've also just gotten around to responding to the RX100...seems their intel is poor these days), but to motivate glass sales, as we will then have a 135 camera that exposes the limitations of the current generation of glass well.

With gapless microlenses I don't think pixel pitch is as much of a low-light/DR problem as people make it out to be. The per-pixel DR will have a lower maximum of course, but when downsampled to a delivery resolution the DR increases proportionally again. This is why the D800 sensor has a very competitive DR regardless. And the current generation of sensors has remarkable DR even with a very high pixel pitch. I wouldn't worry so much about that...the doubling of pixels will mostly affect your storage requirements for RAW. And storage is getting cheap fast and quick weekly.

And yes the FF wide zoom (11-24/4) and this is aimed squarely at landscape just like the 7D2 is at action. This will also be a very good studio portrait and weddings camera. How long will it take Sony to release a new sensor to jump ahead again?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 07:22:40 PM »
I guess stills images are all filled with useless garbage then? Because those are 1:1.

Try doing debayering that good 24 times a second for half an hour. And then crop 2MP out of your 20MP still and see what you think of the quality. They have OLPF's for this problem, but they are a tradeoff.

Did Canon solve this problem in the 70D? I wasn't able to find chart tests. Too many morons trying to review video cameras using brick walls and the like, having no idea how moire forms (moire can also form from poor downsampling, but false color is a debayering problem) much less how to test it. Anyway it's of passing interest; I'm trying to cut Canon some slack here which is unduly generous.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 06:34:04 PM »
Those digital zoom things on the rebels had simply dreadful false color artifacting/moire.

Baloney.  It's just a 1:1 pixel crop - almost no moire at all, and in fact much less than in regular video modes.

The 70D has it, and no moire is one advantage often sited.

One thing I'd really love is the ability to smoothly zoom from 1x to 3x "digital zoom" which would greatly increase the zoom range of a zoom lens, or add a usable zoom range to a prime.  The 18-135STM, for example, would go from 29-216 to 29-621.

The false color artifacting comes from debayering, not downsampling. And it's very hard to suppress in the absence of downsampling. This (along with dynamic range extension) is why 1:1 pixel video cameras are rare. It was awful on the Rebels, I imagine it's also awful on the 70D, but everyone studiously avoids running chart tests on video cameras because the news is usually so grim.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark IV announcement after March 2015
« on: September 15, 2014, 06:27:15 PM »
DPAF is all about video, and having it but not having a touchscreen to control it is hilariously weak sauce.

I'm sure the thing will have Wifi and I'm sure it will be out by March.

If they don't do 4K video it will be the final end of Canon DSLR video as a thing (barring a C-series DSLR that's actually competitive), but that's OK with me. Canon simply never figured out how to shepherd their 5D2 keen kids to the C100/C300. The price gap was too great for them to bear, along with the need to redefine themselves as "serious videographers" given they were now shooting a proper motion picture camera. So Canon lost all that goodwill and business to Panasonic and then the truly miserable Blackmagic scam.

The people who did make the leap would all buy Sony FS7's right now if they are making the 4K transition. I would suggest that for those still thinking DSLR video.

Canon still has a very good game in stills but these specs are unspectacular if true. I mean, hard even to justify upgrading the 5D2's for the stills shooters still laboring with them and who don't use anything other than center AF. The 7D2 is a nice action cam but the 5D4 would need at least a whole stop better low-light to tempt me up from the 5D3. I think medium format is the next step for the serious non-action stills shooter, the 5D3 is a fine all-arounder as is.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 06:13:10 PM »
Those digital zoom things on the rebels had simply dreadful false color artifacting/moire. Do it optically, why are we shooting Canon if not the big whites?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 02:52:43 PM »
Anyone still wanting to use a DSLR for video can struggle with the GH4 and the A7S/Shogun. I don't care about DSLR video much anymore, it's handy, but any serious work (where quality matters) should be done on a proper cam at this point...the total costs of ownership aren't much higher once you've jury-rigged something together that can make a DSLR vaguely functional.

The worse problem is the 7D2 is as a stills camera not enough for Canon at this point. They still haven't leapt ahead of Nikon and Sony in this generation. The 7D2 is sort of a crop 5D3 with higher frame rate and a couple more modern touches. Canon still don't have a D800-competing big megapixel cam nor do they have another generation in low-light advantage they used to enjoy.

Maybe Canon are transitioning to medium format to gain a generational advantage and force us all to buy new glass. The FF135 and APS-C cams will be for sports/wildlife people and emphasize AF and HFR like this 7D2 does. Portrait and landscape will move to larger sensors. I'm not against that in principle, though repurchasing glass will hurt. But getting us to do that is the best way for Canon to make money and I don't deny them the right to make money.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Surprise Cinema EOS Announcement for Photokina? [CR1]
« on: September 15, 2014, 02:50:02 AM »
Best early review of the FS7 prototype. 1700 lph with that little aliasing/moire is really amazing at this price point. (And I wonder if the external RAW recording can do even better...)

http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquisition/sonyxdcam/first-look-sony-pxw-fs7-l-s-s-shoulder-mount-camcorder-part-1.html

Canon it's getting laaaaaate....

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EOS Bodies - For Video / peederj
« on: September 14, 2014, 08:49:03 PM »
Canon already have all the required technology in the C500. That huge heatsink I think is purely a decoy, made to make it look like they had to strain to get 4K HFR out of the C100 form factor. They likely didn't, it's just a way of assuring upsales.

The things Canon didn't have in the C500 are instructive: a 4K codec and a storage format for one. They just had the same 50mbit MXF 1080p30 of the C300 onboard, and let you record 4K outboard. Tech has moved forward though and now there's Cfast and plenty of codec options for them to choose from. They could leave everything else as it is, just upgrade the line with Cfast cards and a 4K/HFR codec and call it C200/400/600. The sensor is already a 4K/HFR capable sensor as demonstrated in the C500.

I hope the ergonomics get a refresh too though because they really aren't shoulder-mount capable cams. The Sony FS7 shows how a cam should be set up...we shouldn't have to go to Zacuto for a relocatable EVF, a grip relocator, a shoulder pad or basic rails. And a power zoom rocker on the grip, movable DPAF points, the basic ergonomic complaints we had with the 1st gen C series should all be addressed in this refresh. Aaton cat-on-the-shoulder balanced design please.

But if Canon don't have the next line ready they can just upgrade the storage format and codec to remain relevant. If the C500 is already at max spec externally they could just leave it as-is until they have a new design. They have to do something right away though because the 4K train has left the station.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Surprise Cinema EOS Announcement for Photokina? [CR1]
« on: September 14, 2014, 08:27:06 PM »
BTW ... the 28-135 f/4 OSS power zoom lens ($2500) is included at $8000 too!

No it isn't...there is a package deal but it costs more than $8K with the lens.

The V-mount battery/output module that offers timecode and RAW output is only about $2K and I think it's a good design to have all that removable so you can get a small C100-size camera on a jib or gimbal. 4K is nice for stabilization and repo as mentioned. Everything RTS with the 28-135 pz and the battery/output module will run something like $12.5K street...but remember, you won't need any rigging or any extras other than battery and memory at that price. People in this forum would also get Speedbooster Ultra's for their EF glass.

And no, most hilariously, Canon are NOT going to be abandoning the Cinema camera space so quickly. The C-series have been incredibly successful. Trust me, think back to the price of the F35 and consider whether Sony really wanted to sell this FS7 at $8K. Canon is forcing them to undercut to this degree because the C-series is so popular. I have never had the least trouble with the C100 and I don't plan on selling it just yet. But I'm also unable to recommend it with the FS7 available at that price.

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