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I think all it means is that Canon could not sell what they clearly overproduced for holidays season in most of the world markets, since America still buy DSLR and have the highest number of wedding photographers per capita they dumped all that glut here priced to sell. End of story ;)

Maybe the wording of gray market somehow suggests that there's something shady about the business? Maybe the word "unauthorized" makes people think there's something illegitimate? Would non-authorized sound a little better? As for gray market...maybe call it green for saving some green? Or maybe pick another cheerful color like orange, then people would have different association.

I think it means the US dollar is much stronger than almost every other currency in the world and even at these seeming 'knocked down prices' the actual ¥ value realised is still everything they were realising in whatever country they were originally imported into. And, the USA consumer has a lot more disposable income than most other nations, when the 5D MkIII first came out in early 2012 it sold in the USA for $3,495 and that raised ¥190,000, now it sells for $2,000 and raises ¥237,000, the Japanese are making more money selling it for less. They could actually drop it to $1,600 and still get the original 2012 ¥ value back for it and inflation in Japan is next to zero.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L Accepts Rear Gelatin Filter
« on: February 27, 2015, 09:31:05 PM »
I have used the rear slot with regular Rosco gels and the results were fine, the Cinegel book has ND filters in it, the Roscolux book doesn't.

I also emailed Fotodiox and they wrote me that there would be a Wonderpana 11-24 solution available within two months.

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Doubt it all you want. It is a fact.

I absolutely wouldn't do anything to discourage you from getting grey market, especially if it has a seller warranty. But Canon USA know what they imported and sold by the serial number, Canon Japan know what they shipped to Canon USA by the serial number etc etc.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Still Live: Canon EOS 5D Mark III Body $1999
« on: February 27, 2015, 02:26:33 PM »

Look, each importer has their own policies. Nikon and a few others will not work on grey market cameras, even for money, at one stage Mamiya would not work on any camera they did not import...

Canon could change their policy at any point. They cracked down on minimum advertised price. If they wanted to they could make gray market sales less appealing. Nikon and others shows that there is precedent for that kind of policy.

I heard that these cameras, gray market or not, are indistinguishable. There's nothing on the camera that would indicate its origin of sale. You can tell canon that you got the camera as a gift and it's hard to imagine they won't service it just because they don't feel like doing it.

And buying from gray market is a much better option than getting a used one.

Er, they are apart from the serial numbers. Canon USA know which serial numbers are their cameras.

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And the sky could fall on our heads and the moon is made of cheese. Canon USA could go bankrupt tomorrow, your camera could get stolen before it needs service, any of us could get hit by a truck. So what?

We can only make the best choices we can on the information we have today. Canon have ab excellent reputation for service, not just speed and price but also for common sense and fairness, that is a very valuable asset and they would need to very carefully consider any changes they make to their policies.

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Reviews / Re: 7dII FOCUSING PROBLEMS WITH 300MM PRIME LENS
« on: February 27, 2015, 12:15:15 PM »
The OP posted in another thread http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=375238

"What does AFMA mean??? "

People join the forum to learn, so it is great that he has asked. But, it's somewhat tough on B&H when people buy a camera from them and return it because they haven't read the manual.


About a 300mm on FF or 480mm on crop, indeed a 300mm stays a 300mm from way of compression of the picture. However when I look to the pixels covered by an object then the 300mm on a crop will give the same result as a 480mm on a FF. Not on a base of compression, but only on pixels on the subject. Also the dof will be much smaller on the crop compared to a FF, with the same lens. For that reason, AFMA for a 300mm on a crop is very important.

As AlanF pointed out, I wasn't, and never have, denigrated crop cameras, indeed I own one. But people, even now, seem strangely uncomprehending of what they actually do, I am sure in large part to the initial sales push by marketing departments and then continued lack of real education for the majority of buyers who, in truth, probably don't actually care too much.

I also agree with AlanF on how tough this purchasing of complex equipment is on retailers when purchasers won't even read the manual. Though manuals have taken a strange persona of their own nowadays, computers come without one and my hotshoe flash manual is several hundred pages! But declaring issues and problems without a fairly good understanding of the problem is the new way of life it seems. That is cool, it means there is even more work for those that can deliver........

As for 300mm and crop camera dof, as always, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

In all three following scenarios assume the same exposure information for both users.

So, two people standing next to each other both with brand new 300mm f2.8 IS MkII's, one with a 7D mkII the other with a 5D MkIII. They sit in a hide together and across a field there is a fence, a bird lands on the fence, the crop camera owner has tighter framing but still needs a small crop, the ff owner needs to crop much more to get the same framing but so what, it is a nice shot. Who has less dof? Neither, dof in both images is identical.

Same scenario but both guys decide their wider shot is actually a nice environmental shot that shows the birds habitat well and the light is just catching the fence nicely, obviously the ff camera shows more fov view but both images work well, so, same place, same lens, same aperture, different sized sensors and therefore different framing, who has less dof? The crop camera. Why? Not because it is a crop camera (or because he is using a mythical 480mm lens), but because the captured data is enlarged more, the bigger you make something the less sharp it is, dof is about apparent sharpness so the more you enlarge something the less dof it has.

Same scenario, the bird flies to a second fence much closer to the hide. The ff user can still use his 300 for a frame filling shot of the bird, the crop camera user has to swap out his 300 to a 70-200 to get the same framing, he zooms to about 190mm to get the same framing as the ff user and they both take the same framed shot from the same place with the same camera settings, just different focal length. Who has less dof? The ff user, at the same distance a 300mm at any aperture will give you less dof that a 190 at that same aperture, this difference will be greater than the difference between the enlargement amounts.

So depending on the specific scenario the dof of a crop camera can be shown to be the same as, or narrower, or deeper, than a ff camera.

Further, "compression" is a very bad way of expressing perspective. Compression is dependent on where you are in relation to your subject, nothing else, the lens does not create "compression". In the three scenarios above who has the most compression in each situation? Neither, they are both shot from the same place in relation to the subject so all the images have the same perspective. That means the "compression" is the same in all those above situations.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Still Live: Canon EOS 5D Mark III Body $1999
« on: February 27, 2015, 10:48:23 AM »
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The biggest concern with grey market is not a broken item though. It is an item that fails eventually. Not only will you not have a warranty that covers it, Canon may refuse to even touch it even if you're willing to pay for the repair.

Wow, that hurt!  I think I must have just fallen off of the turnip truck.

So you're telling all of us that under a certain scenario, a capitalist venture may refuse money, decline an improvement in profits, refuse to do business, no shirt, no shoes, no domestic sale, no service?

Wow

Care to furnish anything other than anecdotal hearsay?  Really, I am not trying to be dickish here.  If you can document this scenario, I think everyone would want to know.

A good sale price, no warranty coverage, repair needed inside of one year, repair paid for out of pocket, you still come out ahead.

This is why I tend to stay away from forums. I never said they would not. I said the MIGHT not. (It is at their discretion) I have no direct experience with trying to have grey market repaired. I have heard people say they do no problem and people that say canon won't touch it. Since I have equal anecdotal evidence for BOTH sides, I chose MIGHT. Unless someone can provide a statement from Canon USA that they will repair ANY Canon product at ANY time no questions asked, I think might is a pretty safe word for us all to go by.

I also didn't say it was a bad deal. I even said I myself have bought grey market. The OP asked about peoples experience with Big Value in particular and Grey Market in General. I told him mine. The fact that your experience o may be different, doesn't mean you're right and I'm wrong, or vice versa. It means we have different experiences, or see our similar experiences in different ways.

As far as why Canon USA MIGHT refuse to profit on a repair is simple: The money Canon makes from repairs is far less than the money the would lose if everyone in the US bought their new SLRs at the price they're likely to sell for in growing markets, where Canon is willing to make far less profit just to create brand recognition.

As long as a small portion of the market buys grey market, its likely not worth the headache for Canon to refuse the repair. If EVERYONE buys cheaper products from overseas, Canon USA would be eaten alive, and I would expect them to react.

I could be wrong. I'd rather be wrong. If my 5dII fails someday, I hope the repair is smooth and easy. But if Canon USA chooses NOT to repair a product which they never sold, there really isn't much recourse I would have.

Its a risk that I think is well worth a significant discount, but that is MY choice. If someone asks what risks they are taking on, I'm going to inform them of all possible risks and let them decide for themselves.

Those who have posted that there is nothing to worry about because THEY aren't worried about it are ignoring what the OP has asked for IMO. I guess I should have been surprised they didn't read my post carefully either.

No you should stay away from forums with comments like that because they are uninformed, inaccurate, emotionally charged rubbish.

Look, each importer has their own policies. Nikon and a few others will not work on grey market cameras, even for money, at one stage Mamiya would not work on any camera they did not import. Canon will, and there is a lot of internet wisdom (that is an oxymoron if ever there was) out there that confirms that, to make a poorly worded emotionally charged comment that they 'might not' when you don't have first hand knowledge or even do basic research to find out if the might or might not is a badly misguided thing to do.

Your uneducated comment that 'they might not' is as fanciful as saying they 'will confiscate it and sue you for parallel imported goods', it is ludicrous and wrong and easily shown to be wrong.

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Photography Technique / Re: What is your keeper rate?
« on: February 27, 2015, 10:14:54 AM »
so if you are shooting at f/3.5 to f/5.6... you probably will never miss having your target in focus...
Give that a try with the 800 f/5.6 and see how it works out ;).  Here's a shot from at least 50 yards away at f/5.6 with the 800mm:


Ha, yes! Even at f/10, with 1000mm the depth of field is usually pretty thin.

A characteristic of dof that people often misunderstand, the dof for an aperture remains constant for subject magnification. If Mackguyver had been able to walk up to the bird and shoot it with a 16mm, such that the bird was the same size in the frame, at the same aperture the dof would be essentially the same.

The reason the images between a telephoto and a wide angle look so different is not the dof, it is the perspective, and a key aspect of perspective with camera lenses is the angle of view, which is how much background you see in the image.

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Reviews / Re: 7dII FOCUSING PROBLEMS WITH 300MM PRIME LENS
« on: February 27, 2015, 01:17:46 AM »
Correctable firmware issue in 7D2?
OP uses 300 f/2.8L IS I, FEBS uses 300 f/2.8L IS II.

I know the versions of the 300 are different between mine and OP. However, I did not hear if the OP has AFMA his lens. 300mm on a crop means 480mm, that implies that the AF should be really top notch, so AFMA is really needed. I think he needed to do that to see if there really was a problem before sending the 7D2 back.

No it doesn't! It means 300mm, because that is what a 300mm lens is, it is a 300mm lens, stop with the crop crap.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L Shipping This Week in United States
« on: February 26, 2015, 11:55:10 PM »
Indeed, as a general high quality UWA zoom the 16-35 f4 IS is, at this point, unmatched. The 11-24 is too, it is very much the 400 f2.8 of the UWA world, if you need it, you just need it.

 Of course none of us have had an 11mm rectilinear to play with so far so we don't know exactly how it will fit in, but I do know, if the IQ is as sound as all recent Canon lenses, then it will get used for my architectural and real estate work immediately, but I don't envision using it for travel where I often shoot in the 24-35 range. For my personal uses I see a good need for both, and I am certainly in no hurry to sell my 16-35 f4 IS.

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Lenses / Re: 300-4L or 70-200-2.8L with extender?
« on: February 26, 2015, 11:27:27 PM »
The MkI doesn't take TC's very well from an IQ and AF point of view, I have owned that lens and the TC's since it came out, the 300 f4 is blindly sharp and has IS.

The MkII 70-200 IS does take TC's very well and even though the AF slows down a touch it is still pretty darn fast, especially with the 1.4, the IQ is much better with TC's than the MkI, much better.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L Shipping This Week in United States
« on: February 26, 2015, 11:23:37 PM »
Hi,
    Found some images shoot by this lens: https://www.flickr.com/photos/29823753@N02/sets/72157648710973594/

    Have a nice day.

Thanks for sharing. Some nice shots of Singapore there.

I am going to have to decide between this and the 16-35 f/4 IS. I don't want both, and it is quite a hard decision.

It isn't really, it is the classic need to prioritize.

The 16-35 f4 IS is a superb lens, it embarrasses the much vaunted Nikon 14-24 everywhere but at f2.8-f4 and from 14-16mm. I can't believe the 11-24 will have 'better' IQ in the same range as the 16-35 f4 IS and they are the same speed, so, do you use filters? If so will you need them on the 11-24? How much do you feel you will need 11-16? And will you miss 24-35? What compromises are you prepared to put up with to have that 11-16mm focal length? For instance, problematic filter use, comparatively heavy, no IS, much more fragile to work with (no hood or front protective filter on a very exposed and expensive curved element) shorter zoom range and three times the price.

Truthfully the two lenses are completely different which is why, if the 11-24 tests out well, I will own both. It is like the 300mm prime question, you want the f2.8 over the f4 but do you really need it, well do you absolutely need 11-16? If not the 16-35 is a much better lens, if you do, then the 16-35 is irrelevant.

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Lenses / Re: 300-4L or 70-200-2.8L with extender?
« on: February 26, 2015, 11:09:11 PM »
If it is the MkI 70-200 IS get the 300 f4, if it is the MkII 70-200 IS then get the 1.4 TC MkIII.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Possible Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Spec Talk [CR2]
« on: February 26, 2015, 10:16:50 PM »
Rockwell is an idiot, a smart one, who will say anything for page hits.

The 5DS/R are not 5D MkIII replacements, there will be a 5D MkIV and probably a 5DC too to round out the leveraging of the 5 series name.

The 'blowout' prices are because of currency fluctuations, the very strong dollar, and the fact that the USA is a dominant expendable income market. Essentially it is easier and more profitable for, for instance, Thai importers to resell their inventory Grey market in the USA for a stronger currency at what seem like cheap local prices that when converted back to Baht actually make them more money than retail in Thailand.

I just checked one major retailer, and the 5D3 with printer kit after rebate is now $2549

It is dropping a bit quick for a replacement camera that is supposed to be coming no earlier than November.

I think the key is 4K video.


Is there any reason why Canon would NOT put 4K in a 5D camera? I think it would be a disaster if they don't. Only way would be they plan to just include it in the next 1DX and just have a single flagship that literally does everything well (except super high megapixels). I think that is a bad idea to keep 4K video at an over $5K price point. What is Nikon's roadmap for including 4K in a DSLR? If it isn't anytime soon, why should Canon rush to it? Who knows..

If they release a 5DC...then why would there also be a Mark IV? Four total cameras in the 5D range...a bit excessive.

5DC, a 4K camera with 18MP, and great low light. That could justify the $3800 price range.

The 6D Mark II, essentially a 2nd generation 5D3 will fill the gap as the basic, all-around DSLR in the $2.5K price range.

Personally I think 4K is overblown, the kind of "I need it" feature that people say they want but when they get it it isn't what they thought, like 54MP in a 135 format camera. Sure some people do need it, but most of us don't.

For a start 4K is a pain to work with, it is expensive and time consuming to work with too. Also, while shooting larger than 1080 makes huge sense for cropping and stabilization, shooting 4k at 4k brings back all those issues you just overcame, you don't need to shoot 4k to get good cropping and stabilization capability in true 1080.

From a marketing point of view, sure the 5?? will have to have 4k, but really? Besides, I can see the best route for Canon being the 5DS, 5DSR, a 5D MkIV with limited 4K 28MP and boosted specs all around, and a 5DC that has a low MP sensor and all the video functionality the 1DC has with the option of internal 4k to CFast, headphone socket, Log Gamma etc etc. Meanwhile the 6D MkII will be the guts of the 5D MkIII in a poly shell with a couple of bits taken out and a couple of extras thrown in, well that is Canon history and there is no reason to suppose it should be different to any major degree

And, even at $2549 for a 5D MkIII now, that is realizing over ¥300,000, three years ago it sold for $3,499 and the exchange rate made that ¥290,000. In other words, it is retailing for more money to the Japanese now than it did three years ago and inflation in Japan is zero!

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Still Live: Canon EOS 5D Mark III Body $1999
« on: February 26, 2015, 09:58:55 PM »
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The biggest concern with grey market is not a broken item though. It is an item that fails eventually. Not only will you not have a warranty that covers it, Canon may refuse to even touch it even if you're willing to pay for the repair.

Wow, that hurt!  I think I must have just fallen off of the turnip truck.

So you're telling all of us that under a certain scenario, a capitalist venture may refuse money, decline an improvement in profits, refuse to do business, no shirt, no shoes, no domestic sale, no service?

Wow

Care to furnish anything other than anecdotal hearsay?  Really, I am not trying to be dickish here.  If you can document this scenario, I think everyone would want to know.

A good sale price, no warranty coverage, repair needed inside of one year, repair paid for out of pocket, you still come out ahead.

He won't, it is bullS___.

I don't know why people keep posting that. Canon are quite happy to do paid work on grey market items if they have the parts, which normally means if they imported that item originally, things like the EOS-M2 might well be an issue they couldn't work on, but only from a practical level, not from a business refusal level.

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