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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D True High ISO King?
« on: August 24, 2014, 05:12:12 PM »
just admit it , the 5D3 is an old tech and already dated when it was first announced.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D MKII
« on: August 24, 2014, 05:11:02 PM »
after selling all my D810 D800E stuff,I was about to buy a Sony A99v or another 6D, but decided to wait a few more weeks.
I love my 6D but I would prefer to get its successor if Canon is about to announce it.
I am also very curious about the a99v successor with the new A77ii type of super AF(I consider it the best AF in the game right now).

I hope the 6D mk2 gets feature set of below:
1 about 28mp ff sensor with one full stop better DR at base ISO.
2 a good EVF  maybe one in the A7R or better.
3 touch screen UI in addition to current UI mechanical UI of the 6D.
4 lighter than the 70D.
5 dual SD slots with new UHS-2 support.
6 better improved video with 4k at 60P support , headphone jack,etc.
7 ic voice recorder for interview works with clients.
8 -5 EV center AF sensitivity.

I think the A99v is the current best all around FF camera, but if there is its successor around the corner, I will wait for it.
I know some narrow minded people (mostly sports and wedding pros and old guys with some film experience) never accept anything other than Full sized huge cameras like D800 , 5D with mirror, and condescendingly tell others how unseriously you might be taken if you are not shooting on a huge D-SLR with the dated OVF tech, but any rational people see the OVF is quickly becoming a thing of the last century thing, I think after shooting a Sony A7R or A99 kind of cameras for a month or longer , there is no way going back to the film era finder system.
Further more , the PDAF is dated, it is not accurate enough for high resolution sensor, thus for high resolution work the A7R is the better camera than the over hyped flawed camera like the D810 /D800E with left AF and white dots thermal noise issue.
The CDAF with some kind of subject distance detection system is the future, and it is much more accurate than the best PDAF on mirror from Nikon , Canon or Pentax.
The CDAF system does not need AF fine tune or MAFA.
I think anyone just hate EVF and mirrorless AF should try out the A7s a month or even better the Panasonic GH4, the AF of the GH4 is much better than anything from Canon Nikon for almost everything, maybe except for sports.    The A7S and GH4 can AF  even in -4EV light level, the D810 and the 5D3 AF reliably in -1 EV light level, nothing close to the A7s. 

So if Canon wants to stay at the top in this game, Canon must invent some sort of new AF /EVF tech and needs to actually introduce it in a new body(very soon), not just patenting it or announcing development of new type of AF tech or sensor tech(but has to show it to us)
 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D True High ISO King?
« on: August 24, 2014, 04:35:29 PM »
some 5D guys are extremely insecure and condescending, hating the 6D just like some die hard D8xx fans hate the Sony A7R or D610.
but it all depends on what you shoot or what how much weight you like to carry with you regardless or tiny bit of  AF feature set difference between the 2 in question here.
but one thing I am sure about is the 6D's center point AF is quite much better than any AF point of the 61pts of the 5D Af sensor or D810 sensor.
I tried many times in lowlight and nothing with the mirror beat the 6D in the area of lowlight AF.
The GH4 and the A7s are better than the 6D in this specific area, but none of Nikon Canon with mirror beats it.
Oh and also for long exposure thermal noise, the 6D is about 34 percent better than the 5D3 , you can see it in all sensor tests including Roger's.

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EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel EOS on the Way as Mentioned by Canon
« on: August 21, 2014, 08:37:23 AM »
I was very busy and could not write anything online these days, but I think as we all see it , not many people actually want a high resolution D-SLRs like the D800 and D810.
 if many many want it then why Canon , Sony,etc do not release such a camera?
Why is only Nikon with the D810 suffering from recent financial crisis ?

Those who want high resolution bodies should get the A7R or MFDB, I have the A7R and now replaced my D800E and returned the D810 for another A7R. Noone shoot high resolution stuff wants the annoying mirrorslap.

IMHO, the5D3 and 6D are pretty recent event cameras, and for landscapes and set up location works we do not really need D-SLR type of AF, so the A7R makes more sense for this type of works than the Nikon D810 or possible Canon high resolution EOS body.

I think we tend to think what we want is what the market want, but it is obviously not correct. If the market really wanted the D800E type of camera, then why did  it not sell well?
Those who really need high resolution sensor, already got MFDB or rent them time to time like we all do.
Just upping mp in the same sensor size with the same old sony canon type of sensor tech does not improve over all IQ in real life(only at DXO lab)

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EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel EOS on the Way as Mentioned by Canon
« on: August 21, 2014, 08:32:49 AM »
I was very busy and could not write anything online these days, but I think as we can all see it , not many people actually want a high resolution D-SLRs like the D800 and D810.
I think if many many want it then why Canon , Sony,etc do not release such a camera?
Why is Nikon suffering from recent financial crisis ?

Those who want high resolution bodies should get the A7R or MFDB, I have the A7R and now replaced my D800E and returned the D810 for another A7R.

IMHO, the5D3 and 6D are pretty recent event cameras, and for landscapes and set up location works we do not really need D-SLR type of AF, so the A7R makes more sense for this type of works than the Nikon D810 or possible Canon high resolution EOS body.

I think we tend to think what we want is what the market want, but it is obviously not correct. If the market really wanted the D800E type of camera, then why did  it not sell well?
Those who really need high resolution sensor, already got MFDB or rent them time to time like we all do.
Just upping mp in the same sensor size with the same old sony canon type of sensor tech does not improve over all IQ in real life(only at DXO lab)

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D810 Product Advisory
« on: August 21, 2014, 08:22:17 AM »
FYI on Nikon's latest postmarket findings:
http://www.thephoblographer.com/2014/08/19/nikon-europe-issues-product-advisory-d810/

I'm on the fence with this one.  Dust with the D600 100% should have been caught in evaluation period before launch.  But finding an issue that only shows up in crop mode + long exposures might be more of the weird lightning bolt of an issue you don't find until you release it to the masses.

- A

it is not only in crop mode, if you have this camera you know it but it is quite serious issue.
I had it for a couple of weeks, and it is really a big issue.
it sometimes even shows up normal exposure mode such as ISO 6400 1/15th, f4.
it is now a big issue here in Japan and many people here returned it 3 or 4 times to get an acceptable copy.
and this is not first time, but 4 times in a row we found this kind of unacceptable QC issues in recent Nikon FF cameras.
the d600 with dust and shutter issues, the D800 with left AF and sudden freeze up issue, the D4 with battery issue, this one with terrible thermal noise and color issue.  I think this is not acceptable at all.
I know all manufactures have some sort of issues but not this bad, and most of what this D810 has over the D800E actually done with FW updates, which Nikon seldom does.
I think most of people even extreme die hard Nikon fans lost respect and faith in them.
as a result , Nikon stock hits really hard and keeps dropping every day.
And for high resolution required work, we do not need or want the mirrorslap anyway, and thus the A7R would be much better choice for most of us.

Nikon is seriously doomed.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Review: Zeiss 135mm f/2 APO Sonnar T*
« on: July 27, 2014, 06:40:20 PM »
If only Zeiss made AF Canon lenses.  :P

I think I can safely say that all of us agree with you on that point.  This lens with AF and IS would be worth $3000+.  It is crazy good optically.

You could just buy an a99, or A7R and E4 adapter paired with the Sony 135 sonnar f.18 and have AF

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/463924-REG/Sony_SAL135F18Z_SAL_135F18Z_135mm_f_1_8_Carl.html

$1700

If you've actually used both the APO Zeiss 135mm f2 and so-called Sony Zeiss 135mm f1.8, you must have already known that they are not in the same league, the APO ZE/ZF lens is much better.
The Sony 135mm f1.8 is not that good , it is just a tiny bit sharper than an old Nikon AF-D135mm f2DC lens.
I cannot compare it to the Canon version because I never used the Canon 135mm L seriously, but I think it is not much worse than the old ancient Nikon DC, so I think the Sony's so-called Zeiss is not much better than the Canon 135mm L.

I know the FE55mm f1.8 is a truly amazing lens but it is a Sony designed Sony lens with Zeiss brand mark on it.
So try not to confuse Sony Zeiss with Zeiss designed real Zeiss.

They are completely different beats.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: DXO uh-oh?
« on: July 27, 2014, 06:33:27 PM »
as a multi-system user I have to agree with DXO guys, they are honest, much more so than DPR or any other unscientific review sites online.

The problem is that DXO's "science" is in dispute. How can you trust something that produces inconsistent and obviously incorrect results?

so what are the so-called incorrect results?
I think all what they have posted are right, at least mirror to my own experience.  only one issue I found with DXO mark is their stupid overall score D810=97, D800E =96, 5D3=81,etc.   But other than that almost all graphs and numbers they provided there seem very correct. Why do you think they are inconsistent with some obviously incorrect results?
but I think you know much more than me in this kind of things , so I would like to hear your view on DXO.

 

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Review: Zeiss 135mm f/2 APO Sonnar T*
« on: July 27, 2014, 03:15:24 PM »
must say it is the best lens I have ever used on my D800E and A7R(in terms of resolution and CA control), but it is not really great on my 6D or 5D2.
and I found the ergonomics of the Zeiss APO and Otus terrible(I dropped the Otus 2 times because it is so slippery in my hand), so I just sold them.
I just think it is not a PRACTICAL lens for anything out side of my studio, and in my studio we tend to use MFDB(rented back on our Hassy V cameras).
But if you are doing stitching landscape or landscape at 135mm, then it is the lens for you.
I honestly think the Zeiss ZF ZE line primes are overrated, I think some of these especially this APO deserve the hype but most of so called zeiss ZE ZF primes are just as good or a tiny bit better than similar Canon, Samyong or Nikon primes.
I think  most of online reviewers tend to confuse perceived build quality of feeling of it with actual build quality, but the Zeiss lenses are not that durable, if you drop or shoot it in real harsh winter, then you will know it.
The plastic Sigma or Nikon 50 are much more durable than the Otus, I learned this in very hard way in winter lake and after that I never ever wanted so-called ZF Zeiss but sold all.

The truly remarkable noteworthy ones are:
1 this 135mm APO
2 the 15mm f2.8
3 25mm f2 Distagon(f2.8 version is a crap)
4 21mm Distagon.
All the other so called Zeiss actually Coshina primes are just above average.

Personally I will never get this line of lenses regardless of their optical or mechanical quality, the metal hoods really damage other lenses or camera bodies, I got lots of  odd scratches on my 6D and A7R when I used them with the 135mm APO via an adapter. I am pretty sure the silly metal hood of it scratched my 6D and A7R.

And the metal hood sometimes become loose or too tight to fit on the lens too easily.



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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: DXO uh-oh?
« on: July 27, 2014, 02:58:43 PM »
as a multi-system user I have to agree with DXO guys, they are honest, much more so than DPR or any other unscientific review sites online.

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EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel EOS on the Way as Mentioned by Canon
« on: July 24, 2014, 10:15:21 AM »
oh one more thing to add, I or I think many people here want a FF mirrorless that pros can take seriously.

hope Canon will listen to us and design some really nice hybrid FF camera something like FF version of near almost perfect Panasonic GH4.

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EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel EOS on the Way as Mentioned by Canon
« on: July 24, 2014, 10:13:48 AM »
honestly, I am very worried about the quality of read noise and final IQ of this sensor since the low mp sensor of Canon's best such as the one used in the 1DX or the 5D3 is already that bad.

if increasing the pixel density means more noise at pixel level , I do not want it.
I think the current best FF sensor is the Sony 24.3 used in the NORMAL A7.

it is the best balance of great low ISO DR and high ISO quality we can get for now.
I like the D810 sensor too but it is not much better than the D800E or the A7R, in fact , I found them all the same in  practice.  In lab, the D810 might be a touch better in DR and color depth, but not as good as the D800E in lowlight.

But this small minor difference in DXO test suggests that the real life IQ of the all current 36mp sensors are the same or very very identical.
I hope Canon would focus on serious new gen sensor not a just high resolution Bayer out to be already dated kind of junk.
The 36mp sensor in the D8xx is very overrated imho(as a long time Nikon user).

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Anyone own both Canon and Nikon
« on: July 22, 2014, 01:39:21 PM »
I think my previous reply to the OP was very confusing.
So try to rewrite it here:

1 N 14-24 vs C 16-35.  I think they are about identical in resolving power and the 16-35f4 IS has a bit lower CA and distortion. So they are optically of similar quality.

So I think the N 14-24 is the most overrated lens ever and it is already a bit too long in the tooth.
The 16-35f4 IS is a very sharp zoom and it is very versatile with the super effective IS(works on the A7R too) and very strong FL coating.
The 16-35mm f4IS seldom flares , the 14-24 N is extremely prone to flare in comparison.

2 A7R vs D810.
the D810 is indeed a bit better with a bit lower color noise throughout their ISO range , but in print it is invisible or at least indistinguishable, so if you want to save a lot of money(and weight) and want reuse your Canon lenses get the A7R. I often use my 16-35f4IS, 35mm f1.4 Sigma, 135mm f2 and 200mm f2 on my A7R and A7s.

You can not use your Canon lenses or Sony lenses on the Nikon, so unless you absolutely want to go dual mount with many specialized Zeiss and Nikon primes, you do not want to get the D810.
3 if your only reason to get or want to try a Nikon 36mp sensor is the sensor itself , then go for the D800E and save some big money, or even better the A7R.
The D810 is indeed a better more refined body but the RAW IQ is the same as the D800E, or at least very identical that no one can see the difference in print.

I have the D810 but I got it for better AF, better LV  with EFC and better ergonomics not for the newer 36mp sensor, and I've already got many many Nikon and Zeiss lenses for it.

And going dual mount or more mount system is nothing wrong, and in fact it is the only realistic solution for people shooting both video and stills or more than one type of app.   

The 5D3 is useless , the sensor is really bad , I never thought it was actually as bad as some Nikon die-hard fanboys say about it at DPR or many fora ,but unfortunately, it is as bad as the mk2 was or even worse.
I confirmed it by testing it against my 6D , 5D2, A7R, A7 and D810.
So do not get the 5D3 unless you absolutely need the 61 AF with 41 cross type sensors.
For me it did not work regardless of the super AF or super high quality body, and I am sure the upcoming 5D4 will get at least as good sensor as the one in the 6D with more pixels.

So I am looking forward to visiting Germany in this Sept for the Photokina.
If Canon cannot get out a great 5D3 replacement , I think they will seriously have hard time competing against Nikon in the high resolution high end 35mm D-SLR market(especially old guys with a set of Leica R or Zeiss Otus kind love it).

The D810 is a great camera and if you only want to own one camera, then it is the camera for you(at least for now). But in your case , I think the A7R is a bit more rational choice since you can re-use your Canon EF lenses on that body.

I personally do not think D-SLRs of any kind is exciting , even as good as the D810 is kind of boring compared to Sony A7 or Pana GH4.  The mirrorless is the future and I think Nikon is investing wrong kind of money on wrong kind of market.   I hope Canon will make 5D3 replacement camera without mirror (with EVF), it will need 4k , clean LV and great EVF at least to be even competitive to the next gen Sony A7 series or Panasonic GH4.

Nikon is too timid to go there, and like all other old tech makers in this industry, it will eventually  be forced to go out of this market just like Minolta.  And their shareholders know it so Nikon stocks devalued and their trust status degraded by 32 percent in the last 13 days.
So while Nikon seems to have been doing everything so well in this particular market , it has been like Minolta in its last few years of its life it has been investing too much money into wrong old dying technology, e.g , the D-SLR(OVF tech), therefore it's stock hit hard and the company is doomed.

BTW, Nikon lost about 13 percent of market share in last year and now it is the no3 in this game.
I think it will be Sony vs Canon , not Nikon vs Canon any more.
I guess what I have been trying to say is to invest too much money on the dying system is too risky, and unless you already have expensive Nikon glass or Zeiss or Leica R glass for it , it is not worth going for it.
Just keep what you've got and get a Sony A7R or a A7 in addition to your current camera.
In many ways the Sony A7R is not as refined as the D810 is , but it is a lot less risky and  also much cheaper to get.

And if you do shoot only landscapes or studio set up work , then there is no difference between the D810 and the A7R.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Anyone own both Canon and Nikon
« on: July 22, 2014, 12:39:40 PM »
In particular I am considering the new D810 with 14-24 and 24-70 for landscapes.   

The Canon 16-35 F4 is good but the 14-24 is great!

I do not agree here , the 16-35mm f4 is much more practical lens and even optically a bit better than the aged Nikon 14-24.  the 14-24 is the most overrated Nikon lens, imho.

The 5DM3 is a nice camera but lacks the DR of the D810.

I do not think the 5D3 is a good camera , the D810 is a good one but it is just a REFINED D800E, I have both D800E and D810 and every time I compared them with the Zeiss 25mm f2 ZF2 or 135mm f2 APO , the results were always same identical.
 In Jpeg, the D810 is about stop better as promised, but hey who will shoot this type of cameras jpeg?
I got the D810 for the new better ergonomics , the new AF , the new quiet shutter and the better LV , not for the new sensor.
But I found ISO64 is very very handy shooting long exposure.

The 5D3 ,in comparison, is already dated camera that no rational people buy at this point.   it has a poor quality sensor , no need to compare it to the Nikons or Sonys , but even Canon's own low end camera the 6D kills it in terms of DR and over all IQ.

Hate to spend the extra $ for another body and duplicate lenses.

Then get the A7R ,which I just sold due to the shutter issue but for landscape type of work , you can use some adapter and heavy tripod with your Canon lenses. So it is much cheaper and much more logical to go Sony + Canon than Canon + Nikon.

Does anyone shoot both Canon and Nikon - Canon for long lens and Nikon for wide angles?  Experience?  Thoughts?

I shoot Canon Sony Nikon Panasonic , but I do seldom use them side by side. I have the GH4 for video and for street work, IMO for street , the m43 IQ is more than good enough and I use it very often.
I have Sony A7s for extreme lowlight handheld work and video, the A7s has excellent lowlight AF and I think it is much more accurate than the D4s ,which I compared to my A7s in real world several times before I returning it to Nikon.
 
I have D800E /D810 for all around use, and they are great for that. 
I also have Canon EOS6D for TSE and a set of great small IS primes of Canon. 

I think I use my gh4 more often than anything else , but I just prefer feel and size of my 6D with its incredible lowlight capability, so I think I use that one a lot more than my heavier D810 or D800E.

To be honest , after I got my D810 , I've never liked my D800E because the D810has much better quiet shutter and its grip is much better than the grip of the D800E, and I think the D810 is about 100g lighter than the D800E, also the D810 LV mode is much more refined, not as good or noiseless as my 6D or A7s but close.

Oh I also have A6000 and this is my always in my work bag kind of camera, I've never left it at home , it's been always in my work bag.  I also keep my NEX5n in my car.
Anyway, I think all cameras are great but work great  for different apps.
 

I am not trolling nor trying to start a flame war, but look for well thought out positions based upon experience.

Oly extreme fanboys care about brands and fight over whatever they prefer or happen to own.
So ignore them and go dual or even more mount kits if your wallet or bank allows you.
Really there is no one good brand solution for now, honestly if I can afford it I will also have Phase One backs for my high resolution work(for me the D800E or D810 is a big compromise but a good one, indeed).

Thanks

Rich

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SAR may be fun to follow , but it is always exaggerating things and always want to generate some meaningless forum fight by using extremely aggressive wording, so I think it is better take it with a grain of salt.

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