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If you do get it for your birthday, please take a picture of the sea of tranquility to confirm man has been there!  8)

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Canon General / Re: NAB 2014 and Canon
« on: April 08, 2014, 09:20:38 PM »

Their silence is speaking loudly.

You said it.  After the boasts about this being "the year of the lens" and that enthusiasts would be pleased with the direction the company is taking, the first third of the year has been a complete dud.  Looks like folks will be waiting until Photokina to hear about little more than a Rebel T6i and a mid-grade lens or two.

They could turn things around, of course, but we're not hearing solid hints so far of substantial product releases.  Perhaps this is "the year of Sigma?"

Hi mnclayshooter.
Wow the first time I read it I read hundreds of thousands of dollars... :o I thought someone's got a lot of kit, no wonder they are pissed at paying for repairs!  ::)
Then I re read it.  ;D

Cheers Graham.

It's easier than you think to get to $100k in Canon EOS gear.  If he had ordered one of the old 1200mm f/5.6L lenses, they used to cost $75k alone.  B&H reported they have one and will sell it for $120k!

Astrophotography, here we come...

Oh, and should I mention my birthday is coming up?   :D

I support the idea of posting the service advisories so folks have ready access to the information.  It would be, in my view, one of the most useful things CanonRumors could do.  Hopefully the folks at Canon see this the same way?  I know that I would be checking it on any body or lens I sent in for work, and requesting a pre-emptive fix on anything likely to break catastrophically even if the part replacement costs me a few dollars.

I suggest the posts be put in a separate forum so folks looking to find out whether an issue they're having was reported can quickly search that forum.  Perhaps something like "Canon Advisories" under "Canon Rumors General." 

If it were me, I'd disable conversation on such a forum--folks who want to bitch about a defect can do so under the regular conversation areas.  I remember a problem with the switches on the old micromotor 100mm macro: the plastic was weak, and eventually each switch broke (M/AF switch and focus limiter switch).  The replacements have been fine for about 20 years, so I guess they fixed the problem.  Any complex product is likely to have some defect in a run every now and again.  Get over it, folks.

I've wanted a nice point-n-shoot camera with a built-in lens...  could see Sony going in that direction.  And I would consider buying one if the lens is good and the price is right.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Two 6Ds: two different focus screens.
« on: March 21, 2014, 02:29:27 AM »
So what is the designation of the default screen?  Is it the EG-A or EG-D?  Or EG-C?

(Or perhaps EGAD!  :P )

Has anyone here tried one of the third party models?  What ever happened to the Beattie Intenscreens?  They seem to have stopped making Canon replacements.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Medium Format
« on: March 13, 2014, 10:40:55 PM »
I'm curious if anyone who likes the idea of a MF Canon would like the idea of a fixed lens camera in MF--something like a giant G1X but with 40Mp and great low light capability?  Would you be interested if it had a wide-to-normal zoom lens, and cost under $3k?

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: B&H or Adorama
« on: March 11, 2014, 10:55:48 PM »
I've always had great experiences with B&H, and have thus avoided other on-line and brick-and-mortar stores.  Once had a very obscure question about how a Canon camera behaved with a flash.  My local photo store not only couldn't answer, they were downright surly about how unwilling they were to find out.  When I called B&H, the person handling the call didn't know, but immediately asked if he could put me on hold for a minute to consult an expert.  He came back quickly with a complete answer.  That is great customer service. The "local" stores could probably learn a thing or two from B&H.

On the question of discounts which someone brought up: B&H instituted a 2% rewards program on many purchases a while back (sometimes more, sometimes less, as it depends on the product).  Buy a camera, and you might be able to afford to get a spare battery, for example. 

B&H also has never tried "bait-and-switch" tactics, or talking me into a more expensive product than the one I wanted.  Had that experience on a couple of phone orders prior to the Internet being my main connection.  Yuck.  Won't purchase from other places to save just a few dollars--I would rather see the Good Guys remain in business.

Lenses / Re: Question about Canon 300mm f/4 L IS
« on: March 05, 2014, 07:19:54 PM »
I think the 300 f4 will be my next purchase, and I had this idea. Is there space on the body to attach one of these?


it would require some clearance btw the hood and body, but if you put it in the right spot it should friction lock the hood in place.

Curious photos you supplied.  Yes, an oversized translucent condom tends to "friction lock" things "if you put it in the right spot."  I don't view this as advantageous.  I have a "space on the body" for such a device, but I cannot comment usefully if you do as well.   If you lack sufficient clearance "btw the hood and body" you may want to consider other options.  :P   :)

On the 5Diii or 5Div:
  • RAW HDR, not just JPG.  That should be a firmware upgrade to the 5Diii.
  • Add 6x9 grid to possible grids.  That might be part of a 5Diii firmware upgrade.
  • Improved AF sensor utilization for some lenses where possible as part of a firmware upgrade.
  • Dual CF slots.  Sorry, I do not want to carry two types of card around.  Make a freaking choice, Canon, and try to remember that a lot of us are getting older and don't necessarily like handling tiny SD cards.
  • Consider dual CFast slots for the 5Div (and especially for the 1DXii).  This in the long run may provide a better excuse for dropping SD.
  • Still more capacity for saving settings from sessions.  Create good management software for them through Canon Utilities.
  • Improved audio output options.

I'd like to see better controllers for CF/SD slots on all cameras.

I'd like to see USB 3.0 on advanced amateur and pro cameras.  And consider a Gb Ethernet port in the accessory grips for those.  Forget about wireless on the better camera models--an Ethernet port is better bang for the buck.

I'd like to see something like a 7Dii that is closer in capability to the 5D or 6D.  Make it an optional service through CPS to change it into an astrophotography camera (like the 60Da) or infrared camera.  You don't need to release separate models for that and some of the folks might remain CPS members.  (Perhaps offer $50 off for new CPS members on a camera conversion in the first year of membership.)

I'd like to see Canon stop blocking the flash shoe with GPS and similar accessories.  Add some data ports for those accessories.

In lenses, I would like to see
  • A reasonably priced but quality "tube" lens as the basis for using microscope objectives for micro work (probably 200mm).  I'd settle for one from a third-party manufacturer.  Or someone here can gift me their 200mm f/2.8 when they buy the 200-400L.   :D 
  • A replacement for the 50mm macro that is faster than f/2.8.  It should focus 1:1 without an extra part and commensurate change in focal length.
  • An L series mirror lens about 1000-1200mm.  I believe the technology can be quickly brought to the point that this is not only possible at forgivable cost and decent sharpness, but might be done without out-of-focus donuts (mirrors in a z-structure instead of a refracting telescope type tube).  Make it camo colored.  It would be limited in aperture, but newer cameras are widening the ISO range.  It would look truly exotic.  Birders would go wild.
  • L series long telephotos built only with Arca-Swiss compatible feet.  You can leave the thread mount in it for the weirdos.   :D    Plain feet sold separately from Canon.

The good news is, some of these items are readily achievable at reasonable cost.  The 50mm may be pushing the lens technology as it is difficult to bend light on a wide aperture and maintain the flat field for macro work.  Some items may not yet make the cost/profit cutoff.  The CFast and mirror lens are long term projects.

On the corporate side
  • I'd like to see Canon buy up and integrate a few accessory manufacturers.  Mostly the higher end stuff--like a drone maker, or GigaPan, or maybe a telescope manufacturer--that kind of thing.  Products which have solid niche markets.  Use them to extend market share and exploit it.
  • I'd like to see Canon consider a partnership with one of the medium format makers--perhaps with Canon producing the chips and a couple tilt-shift lenses.  With Phase One, I could also see an integration of the two makers' software producing some cost savings and feature improvements.  A purchase of a MF company isn't necessary: a partnership might produce some profits and shared costs while limiting exposure to a difficult niche market.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: An Era of Mergers?
« on: March 02, 2014, 04:28:51 PM »
Finally read about the Olympus corporate scandal from 2011-12 and looked at their stock trend.  Longer term trend from 2007 looks noticeably downward, but the stock did bottom in early 2012 and has been doing well the last couple years, with the 25-month average turning slightly upward in 2013.  The company had announced the closing of 40% of its manufacturing plants and the layoff of 7% of its workforce by 2015.  I currently presume that the photography and endoscope lines were not targeted for cuts, but this does make me wonder if they are too cash-poor at this juncture to invest sufficiently in R&D that would keep them competitive in camera markets.


Lenses / Re: Speculation: Year of the Lens
« on: March 02, 2014, 04:15:10 PM »
On the other hand, why would a company spend huge sums of money for lenses that won't sell.  There will always be some new lenses, just to meet competition, or company goals which might go beyond worrying about short term profits.  Canon seems to be plunging into Cinema in a big way, and you have to pay to play.
One reason is to generate profits by creating excitement and interest around the brand.  Proper pricing should ensure sufficient profits on the particular lenses.  With plenty of 20 year old lens designs, Canon isn't generating oodles of excitement (the 200-400L is a nice exception).  Look at the interest in the Zeiss Otus and Sigma 50mm f/1.4 ART lenses on these forums.  That does a lot to promote those brands and product lines, and increase sales on their other products.  And Sigma and Zeiss will probably profit nicely on these particular lenses by setting the prices high.

While lens profits/units took a dip in 2013, the long-term growth trend is very strong (I posted camera/lens data under the topic "An Era of Mergers" in Third Party Manufacturers).  As long as we aren't seeing a major trend reversal, I expect more product releases and more competition.  I also expect more luxury products.  One argument for a trend reversal: the younger generation may not be as interested in cameras as stand-alone products.  One argument against a trend reversal: stale product lines of the largest players has impacted camera and lens sales.  Data from other consumer products would influence my evaluation of the latter argument--perhaps consumers elected to spend more money on necessities or other hobbies, for example.  Or perhaps secondary products like GoPro, GigaPan, quadcopters, and StackShot are slurping up noticeable hobby cash from photo markets.  My current conclusion is that I have insufficient data to evaluate the trend.  But I welcome any data folks here can add.

Canon has often been a wait-and-see player.  Folks here criticized their slow-'n-easy strategy on the EOS M, for example, but ultimately Canon concluded that small mirrorless cameras were not strategically good because of small pixel sizes and low profit margins.  In that instance, slow-'n-easy probably paid off as they didn't create a lot of products they now would be winding down.

I don't think Canon actually has anything competitive with these nifty-fifties in the pipeline yet.  I do think they might consider a new lens branding, like Sigma has, to recapture interest in their premium products but I doubt we'll see a move before 2015.  That is purely speculative, as Canon could simply update a bunch of the L line instead (and I do think their L lenses could be at higher price points).  I'm just trying to wrap my head around the question beforehand, then I'll watch to see what really happens.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: An Era of Mergers?
« on: March 02, 2014, 04:12:14 PM »
I have a hard time seeing Samsung as one of the smaller players. Maybe not so big in photography yet, but it'd be foolish to bet against them. They might not go after the pro market, but possibly pretty much everything else. Time will tell.
I think I would generally agree with this.  Right now they're a smaller fish.  But Samsung is willing to manufacture in numerous mature markets.  I would expect their camera market share to gradually grow over time, especially at the entry level in the nearer future.  The recent Canon announcement to exit low end cameras should benefit them.

Lenses / Re: Speculation: Year of the Lens
« on: March 02, 2014, 02:50:24 PM »
I do not think it's necessary to create a new nomenclature "Super Deluxe" for new high-performance lenses. Lenses "L" already fascinate photographers, but some of them need updating to be competitive with the new Zeiss and Sigma. Is there a reason to Zeiss not put autofocus in lens Otus. The accuracy of measurement and mechanism (lens and camera) for the resolution capability of Otus puts a level of requirement similar to the big whites costing $12,000. If Otus 55mm had AF, and it cost over $6.000 will sell even less than now. Nothing prevents Canon make lenses "Super Premium", but it is a niche market that may not have return of profit.

I'm not convinced that putting autofocus in a lens with the quality of the Otus is an expensive proposition.  Sigma may already have done exactly that at a much lower price.  Many Zeiss lenses carry the chips to communicate AF/AE information to advanced bodies, but the maker has consistently avoided autofocus motors.  This may be due to many reasons (eg: patent concerns, target market, research costs, elimination of too many promising lens designs, ...).  Further, I think it is the lens polishing tolerances that drive most of the cost difference.  In other words, this appears to me to be a strategic decision, not something particular to this lens.

The photo market is bifurcating, like many markets.  Worldwide the wealthy are increasingly more wealthy, while the rest at best maintain buying power and at worst lose some.  The wealthier end of the spectrum tend to seek higher quality and better perceived value.  It can make very good sense to create products targeting them even if the prices are high because so are the profit margins.  Compare a Gucci handbag to one from Ross's, for example.  Sure the Gucci is a niche market, but Gucci makes a lot of money.

Of course, with worldwide lens sales totaling about 57 million units in the last two years, I'm not sure I would call this a niche market.  [These numbers exclude Zeiss and some other manufacturers who don't belong to CIPA.]

This also explains why Canon is moving out of the low cost camera market, but into security cameras.  Canon targets expanding markets with higher profit margins.  I can even imagine the distant day when Canon will no longer make consumer cameras and lenses at all because the market is too mature for them.

Lenses / Re: Speculation: Year of the Lens
« on: March 01, 2014, 11:37:41 PM »
And off brand, Tamron has a HUGE backlog for the 150-600.... for them, it really is "the year of the lens"

If you build it they will come :)

If you build that well enough they will take up astrophotography!  (No, really: my wife wants an AstroTrac and we don't even have a lens that long.)

I would not be surprised if demand for the Zeiss Otus 55 and new Sigma 50 f/1.4 are strong, too.  While purchases of hobbyist photo gear look like they're down, I think folks are also being picky about what they do spend on.  Older lenses aren't generating buzz like the new ones are.  Customers appear to be watching for significant performance improvements rather than incremental ones.  Canon and Nikon are facing unexpectedly strong lens competition on their own cameras.  While they have substantial market share, nothing looks secure. 

At this point, Sigma could really turn heads with a 500mm f/4 that beats the Canon model at half the price (if they can do it--I doubt they have the long focal length technologies mastered).

I am encouraged by these developments.  The tighter competition might push several manufacturers toward fresh products and product lines.  Profit margins may tighten on mid-focal length lenses, and that could lead to more luxury products as everyone chases profits.

At this point I tend to wonder if Canon must respond soon, otherwise some Canon hobbyists could come to think of Canon as not really superior to the other lens makers.  If they push out some top contenders this year, folks might be willing to take a wait-and-see on a particular focal length rather than purchase immediately from the competition when something clearly better comes out. 

Of course, part of the reason I posted this was to throw these thoughts out here and see what better ones everyone else came up with.   :)

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