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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Sending my 7D2 back due to high ISO noise
« on: November 21, 2014, 10:30:01 AM »
The 7D2 should have an advantage with the crop, but in several cases I am not seeing that.  For example in the coyote shot from earlier I compared it with a similarly posed coyote taken in worse light with my 5D3 but same rough ISO (400) and found that the detail is roughly the same despite the smaller size of the coyote on the 5D3.

http://www.calevphoto.com/p1067692827#h3ad922d8

In terms of the underexposed images that is what the light was at the time.  With my 5D3 normally I would have shot these at ISO 3200, but at the time I was trying to get a good comparison between them.  The point of illustration was the noise and loss of detail - not the quality of the shots.

I looked in LR just now to see the average ISO for my shots and can see:
ISO 3200 and above - 20%
ISO 1600 to 2500 - 25%
ISO 800 to 1250 - 20%

This is of all my shots, so most of the shots at lower ISOs were tripod based landscapes while most of the shots at higher ISOs are of wildlife.

If you want to shoot at ISO 3200 and above the 7D II is not the right tool.
The half hour around sunset and just before is a curse for wildlife photographers. Animals start moving, the light is to low. I feel the pain.
I wouldn't push the 7D II past ISO 1600 and expect great results shooting wildlife. At sunrise the 7D II starts work later than the 5D III and will end its day before the 5D III.

My 7D II underexposes a bit over 1/3 of a stop.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Sending my 7D2 back due to high ISO noise
« on: November 21, 2014, 07:40:22 AM »
Here are some sample images to illustrate my frustration.  Note that these images from an artistic standpoint suck - but were an attempt to take a photo of the same subject under the same realistic lighting conditions with both cameras.  Both images are near 100% crops and have absolutely no noise reduction or PP from the RAW images.

The first one is from the 5D3 at ISO 1600. The lighting was very poor at this time, but the details are fair.  A similar shot of a more interesting subject could probably be salvaged.
6O6C8809.jpg by CalevPhoto, on Flickr

The next is of the same subject with the 7D2 at ISO 800. The detail on the faces is much rougher.  The pattern just below the head (the eye is slightly OOF) is less defined than the 5D3 image.
388A0341.jpg by CalevPhoto, on Flickr

I do have other images at ISO 800 that are better.  You are correct that pushed to the right the results are better, but I often do not have this convenience in Seattle.

Here is a mink I took during the same shoot about two minutes after these shots.  I took it with my 5D3 at ISO 1600 and it was still too dark so I had to boost up the exposure quite a bit.  I then did some PP and cleaned up the noise.  The resulting shot still has nice details.  There is no way the 7D2 would have done the same.
6O6C8788-Edit.jpg by CalevPhoto, on Flickr

You just haven't developed an understanding of your gear yet.
Yes the 7D II RAW files are noisy, and they can be cleaned up in LR.
ISO 1600 is quite usable once you properly PP.
Do this however, shoot RAW + JPG and compare. In camera JPG conversion is doing a fair job at cleaning up noise.
If your PP isn't exceeding the 7D II the problem is in your PP not the camera.
If both are still bad maybe you have a bad copy.
The copy I have is performing exactly (and sometimes better than) I expected.

Also if you think the noise out of the 7D II should be as clean as the 5d IIIthen the problem is with your expectations.
I have never seen this clai anywhere. You should have expected at least a stop difference.

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Lenses / Re: 70-200 2.8II or F4 for Zoo Shoot
« on: November 19, 2014, 05:20:25 PM »
If you will rent a 70-200 lens, choose F2.8II. Will make much difference in the minimum shutter speed, and will also help blur the railings and fences that surround the animals.

This is the best answer you have received so far.
Last year I went to shoot the tiger cubs at the zoo. They were fun to shoot but F/2.8 II was a must because of the chain link fence and the position you I had to shoot from. I also had my 300mm F/2.8 with me which even worked better when the tigers were far enough away.

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Photography Technique / Re: Game Ranches for photography
« on: November 19, 2014, 05:02:20 PM »


I watched a dpreview of the 7dII at a game ranch in Montana, DD, I think. When I looked at the fees, it was like $350 for 90 minute experience photographing a prime animal such as a snow leopard.



Is this the same place that Canon held one of the Explorers of Light seminars a few years ago?


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Photography Technique / Re: Game Ranches for photography
« on: November 19, 2014, 04:47:14 PM »
This is the difference between a "WILDlife photographer and someone who takes pictures at the zoo.

There is nothing wrong with taking pictures at a Zoo.
There is nothing wrong with taking pictures at the back yard feeder.
What is unethical is when you present your pictures as real "wildlife" taken in a natural setting.

Well that's just the thing... most wildlife photographers wont go to a sanctuary take an award winning photograph, and then submit to national geo and say they are in the middle of yellowstone...  But, in the end of the day, if a commercial photographer is assigned a task of getting a specific shot that an advertising or marketing manager wants of a leopard or wildcat stalking a prey and it has to be to ready for press on friday, there's little difference if they risk their lives and livelyhood in the wilderness hoping to get a shot vs going to a sanctuary and nailing the shot.  National Geo allows for many photographers to spend weeks if not months on assignment, but others dont get that luxury as a working photographer, a professional photographer.

It is true most amateurs do not have that luxury to put in the time.
Lack of time shouldn't mean dishonesty is ok.
Nothing wrong with a staged wilderness pictures, I could see where it would have its uses.
In todays photoshopped world it is hard to find the real thing anymore.

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Photography Technique / Re: Game Ranches for photography
« on: November 19, 2014, 04:25:58 PM »
If you are in Eastern Ontario, Canada..... I suggest "the crazy cat lady's cat ranch".

I think they may have one of those in Nevada to. Photography will probably cost you extra above the door charge.

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Photography Technique / Re: Game Ranches for photography
« on: November 19, 2014, 04:24:36 PM »
This is the difference between a "WILDlife photographer and someone who takes pictures at the zoo.

There is nothing wrong with taking pictures at a Zoo.
There is nothing wrong with taking pictures at the back yard feeder.
What is unethical is when you present your pictures as real "wildlife" taken in a natural setting.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D II sensor measurement
« on: November 18, 2014, 06:57:20 PM »
Totally useless

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Is IQ better with smaller files?
« on: November 17, 2014, 09:57:33 PM »
If this is true it would be a good indication that memory card companies are giving kick backs to camera companies to make files larger for no reason.

I doubt this question could even get a good Raw vs JPG debate started.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Can the new 7d mark ii challenge the 1d mark iv?
« on: November 11, 2014, 09:17:50 AM »

my pictures speak for them selfs www.flickr.com/photos/corey-hayes/

As to whichever body you used ability to focus and your skill as a photographer yes.

As to whether the 7D II or the 1D IV has the better AF system no. Both cameras will achieve focus and both have fine AF systems. It is the shots you do not get that matter in this comparison.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Can the new 7d mark ii challenge the 1d mark iv?
« on: November 10, 2014, 03:35:59 PM »
I have both cameras and love the mkiv but its AF is not really up to snuff especially with 1.4 on a 500mm it struggles. For fast action the 7d will be my number one choice.

That's hard for me to believe since I use the 1D4 with a 300+2x TC all the time with no issues.  Its a little slower, sure, but that's the electronics in the TC not the camera's AF system.  I get that the 7DII (and 1DX/5DIII) have a more advanced AF system but its hard for me to imagine how big an effect it can really have since the AF on the 1D4 is already amazing.  I'm going to have to rent a 7DII in a bit when I've got some free time to really evaluate it and see if the AF upgrade makes a big enough difference to be worth saving up for.

The 1dmkiv has very very focus points that are cross type that work at f5.6 and only the center is cross type at F4, the difference is night and day and the 7Dmkii has the best AF system I have used!

It is hard for me to believe to. There must be something wrong with your 1D IV, my copy is very fast and very accurate. From the test I have done the 1D IV is outperforming the 7D II by a fair margin with the long lenses. On shorter lenses there is little difference.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D Mark II Reported Issues
« on: November 09, 2014, 08:54:38 PM »
Thought I would start a thread today for issues noticed with the 7D Mark II.

I will start with one issue I discovered today shooting a Soccer game.  First of all my setup:

7D MKII with 300mm F2.8L IS II [ AFMA +8  :( ]  Ok got that taken care of.  The one issue I noticed is a lag from the time the shutter button is pressed to when the AF locks on.  No hunting just a noticeable lag in acquiring initial focus.  Most may not notice but in sports it can make the difference between getting the shot and not.  This condition does not exist on my 5DIII so it's something specific to the 7DII.

I was using center AF point only (though the condition exists on all of the AF area settings I tried).

Hopefully this is something that can be resolved in a firmware update.  Hopefully someone here may have discovered a setting which minimizes this issue.

You didn't say AI Servo or single shot.
I have been comparing mine to my 1D IV.
Single Shot single point on the big white lenses take longer to confirm. The 1D IV is half again as fast.
It confirms focus similar to the old 7D, it makes focus and for a brief instance reconfirms.
There is no noticeable difference on other lenses.

AI Servo mode I am still working on, I have yet to have a decent lock on a BIF. I have only had a few opportunities to check and I still attribute my failures to lack of proper settings.

At this time I am leaning toward believing the 1D IV is the better AF system.

That does pose an interesting question.  I was using AI Servo during the game.  The AF once it locked was very fast to adapt I rarely had any that were out of focus the entire day that wasnt due to me obviously drifting off target.  The AF is fast but I only have a 5D3 to compare to and so far I would say it's about the same.

The issue is the fraction of a second from when the shutter is half pressed and the lens snaps to focus.  IS and metering kick in instantly but the AF lock lags a fraction of a second.  After it's locked it tracks and performs flawlessly.

I will compare with some other big whites I have and see if it's the same.

For what I noticed I leaned toward the answer Don Haines gave, battery power.
Unless you are using a battery pack the 5D III I would think it would be comparable in AF speed to the 7D II.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D Mark II Reported Issues
« on: November 09, 2014, 06:20:46 PM »
Thought I would start a thread today for issues noticed with the 7D Mark II.

I will start with one issue I discovered today shooting a Soccer game.  First of all my setup:

7D MKII with 300mm F2.8L IS II [ AFMA +8  :( ]  Ok got that taken care of.  The one issue I noticed is a lag from the time the shutter button is pressed to when the AF locks on.  No hunting just a noticeable lag in acquiring initial focus.  Most may not notice but in sports it can make the difference between getting the shot and not.  This condition does not exist on my 5DIII so it's something specific to the 7DII.

I was using center AF point only (though the condition exists on all of the AF area settings I tried).

Hopefully this is something that can be resolved in a firmware update.  Hopefully someone here may have discovered a setting which minimizes this issue.

You didn't say AI Servo or single shot.
I have been comparing mine to my 1D IV.
Single Shot single point on the big white lenses take longer to confirm. The 1D IV is half again as fast.
It confirms focus similar to the old 7D, it makes focus and for a brief instance reconfirms.
There is no noticeable difference on other lenses.

AI Servo mode I am still working on, I have yet to have a decent lock on a BIF. I have only had a few opportunities to check and I still attribute my failures to lack of proper settings.

At this time I am leaning toward believing the 1D IV is the better AF system.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Can the new 7d mark ii challenge the 1d mark iv?
« on: November 09, 2014, 08:59:20 AM »
The 7d2 has twice e megapixels for the same field of view allowing you to crop a lot more.

So far I don't see that statement holding up.
So far my experience has been that the 1D IV can take heavy cropping. The 7D II far less.
At equal distances in real life shooting there is a small amount of resolution gain on same FOV pics shot with the same lens at the same distance. You have to pixel peep hard to see it,

It is about the same as the old 7D vs 5D II debate.
So far the it appears to be headed toward the same conclusion.

Except that the old 7d is junk while the 5d2 is pretty good. The 1d4 is great and the 7d2 is looking like this as well.

I've been shooting my 5d3 side by side with 7d2 for several days now and the 7d2 is performing very well. Better than my 1d4 and at equal distance to the 1d4 with same lenses i can crop much heavier. The 1d4 had too much color noise and low shadow detail. The 7d2 is much more recoverable and the banding noise is all but non-existent. It's not just the raw file at a glance that is the only factor, it's what you can do with that raw file that really counts. No one buys raw files to hang on the wall.

I have been shooting the 7D II side by side with the 1D IV for several days now.
What you are saying is not what I am seeing.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Can the new 7d mark ii challenge the 1d mark iv?
« on: November 09, 2014, 08:40:54 AM »
The 7d2 has twice e megapixels for the same field of view allowing you to crop a lot more.

So far I don't see that statement holding up.
So far my experience has been that the 1D IV can take heavy cropping. The 7D II far less.
At equal distances in real life shooting there is a small amount of resolution gain on same FOV pics shot with the same lens at the same distance. You have to pixel peep hard to see it,

It is about the same as the old 7D vs 5D II debate.
So far the it appears to be headed toward the same conclusion.

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