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I shoot mostly stills so I don't really care either way. It's a nice hack I will neve use.
It's when you start adding elements not in the original capture, It's no longer photography.
I could not agree more, adding to the image changes it to photographic art; however, subtracting (the corner of a building, a flying bird, contrails, et cetera) is perfectly acceptable. Obviously anything you can do it a wet darkroom, you can 'legally' do the same in photoshop.
So I can take a nice portrait shot and delete the everything but the eyes, it's okay? Or do I have to run that by the edit police to determine what is deletable and what isn't?
BTW, by deleting ANYTHING you are adding as well--you are adding space or order or isolation, etc. Like the construction crane behind the building example--that's not reflecting reality, it's portraying an enhanced reality that is meets the photographer's tastes.
Even just enhancing contrast is a change to reality, yet so many of you are saying "deviations from reality that meet my arbitrary criteria are okay, but everything else is taboo." That's a bit egotistical, don't ya think?
I'm even more surprised he's not using a macro lens for some of the products like the iPhone and smaller like the iPod shuffle.
So, if I read your quoted part correctly...
I could join CC paid....download the archived version (current version?) of CS6, which would run stand alone, not requiring CC account, and then quit and still have CS6 which would run indefinitely?
If so, that sounds like a bit of a bargain...?
cayenne
Nope... with your account, they issue a license code, much like any current adobe product... you cancel your account, the code is canceled, and any further access is canceled without that code being active... so otherwise it wont work beyond that point.
But wait, current CS6 doesn't phone home, right?
I was assuming that the 'archived' old versions they spoke about, would be stand alone CS6...
So, it sounds to me like you subscribe for a year, you can get the CC for a year, BUT you can also download CS6 (maybe the Production suite?), and have that as a stand alone download.
So, you have that, complete your year CC, and still have CS6 standalone you downloaded, which doesn't phone home...that you can use to your hearts desire?
Of course, they haven't said which legacy apps they'll have for this, but it sounds to me like you can get the old non-phone home versions of things you can download and use, they'll be unsupported, but if you got the CS6 Suite for the year of CC price, at the end of the year, you could quite and end up with CS6 suite for less than what it costs now?
cayenne
The mandatory move to CC subscription licensing only affects products in the current "CS6" range. Bundled products without a CS6 badge (including Lightroom and Acrobat, plus all the "Elements" versions) will continue to be available under perpetual licenses as they are now.
All paid CC members will have access to a select set of archived versions of the desktop apps. Starting with CS6, select older versions of the desktop creative apps will be archived and available for download. Archived versions are provided “as is” and are not updated to work with the latest hardware and software platforms.
Who are you? Adobe rep? Is that official info?
Yes it's official info - I'm an ACP, we speak to the user community on behalf of Adobe but we're not sales reps.
Please read the CC FAQ at http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.htm (it's being updated with new items regularly, including my two points above).
To touch on pricing, as Tom Hogarty said last week, Adobe are looking at how their product offers can best be tailored to suit photographers. That may mean in future there are 'pick-n-mix' bundles at different price points - but it's very early days. As I'm sure you appreciate, feedback is not something Adobe are short of this week
The position on Lightroom is a little more complex than Photoshop, as Lr is a bundle product (it doesn't sync release dates with CS, this time it's a coincidence). All existing perpetual licenses for Lr4 and earlier will continue to work, perpetual licenses for Lr5 will go on sale when the public beta ends, and Lr5 will be rolled out to existing Creative Cloud and new CC subscribers just as Lr4 was. The only significant difference is that boxed copies are not available - All Adobe software is download-only as of this month, so you buy a serial number (from Adobe's store or through the normal retail networks like Amazon) and download the installer from Adobe's CDN. Of course you can burn it to disc as a backup if you want.
In future there may well be times when new features appear in the CC-bundled version of Lr which aren't yet in the perpetual version, because Cloud subscribers get new features quicker (as SOX doesn't apply).
The questions about Web connectivity seem to have been resolved; to summarize - CC normally pings the activation server once every 30 days. If you don't have connectivity it will run a grace period of another 30 days, then revert to trial mode (which then runs for 30 days) - this gives 99 full days of work before the apps refuse to open. Customers have been asking about how to install CC on firewalled machines or how to work for more than 99 days in remote locations, there will be clarification on that shortly.
So, if I read your quoted part correctly...
I could join CC paid....download the archived version (current version?) of CS6, which would run stand alone, not requiring CC account, and then quit and still have CS6 which would run indefinitely?
If so, that sounds like a bit of a bargain...?
cayenne
where's my industrial sized can of raid when you need it lol
For shame! Honey bees are your friend. It's wasps and hornets that you pull out the big guns and go in with overwhelming force.
Mt Spokane, I don't suppose you could have a bee keeper open one up and get some macro shots of them working inside on the honeycomb? Or do some of them climbing in and out or something. That could be some neat shots
Couldn't agree more... JR if your upset that canon is turning a high profit, stop buying their stuff... simple... i'm sure canon is shaking in their boots... Hell i shoot professionally and I have half your gear... People get hot and bothered with any one company or individual earns a lot of money or capital... Why? They worked their butt off to earn that... Sue Bryce said we need to check our attitudes about money and being rich. If we get offended about those who are rich and big profitable company, we ourselves will carry that same mentality towards money and push it away psychologically. In the mean time I hope to use my gear to make my studio have a profitable year this year...
What gives you the idea that I'm upset? Did I say anywhere in my post that I had a problem that Canon was making a profit? Do you think I expect that Canon would sell their products to me at cost / loss?
It was simply news + humor on my part which probably doesn't go down well with CR posters who come out to defend Canon when it's not even being attacked
hope you dont get offended by me.
No problem. However, I'm sure I offended you by posting the ... well ... news. Sorry if it causes so much angst.
