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Messages - Don Haines

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I like the underwater housing :)

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Sony is not going to sell you a product that they think will die while still under warranty...
Then why have the last 3 products I've bought from them done just that - whether it was a 90-day, 1-year or 3-year warranty.  Wait, they died just days after the warranty was up - making me a tad perturbed.  I know you're kidding, but I'm not.  I've given up on expecting quality from Sony, which is sad given that they used to be famous for it.
My Olympus E-510 died on the day after the warranty expired.... To be fair, they fixed it for free....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: Today at 10:38:58 AM »
It is hard to take any of this seriously...

Want to know what I tell people when they ask me what camera to buy? I tell them to figure out how they are going to use it, and then look for the lenses that suit their needs.... and then to worry about the body. I tell them that the lenses are a long term investment that they will be shooting with for decades, and that the camera is an expendable item that will be obsolete in a few years....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: Today at 10:32:13 AM »

Crap, what do I do about the new Sony???  I need to shoot black cats in unlit coal mines and the Nikon is inferior to the Sony.  I guess the Nikon is junk and I need to get the Sony.  I'm so confused.

Please advise on which I should choose - the Nikon D810 or Sony A7S.

I found that the Apple iPad works best for taking pictures of black cats in unlit coal mines... see the attached example and notice how black the black is and how there is no noise or banding....

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It's no different to any number of different products ie the manufacturers release product that may greater capability but it's detuned to perform reliably within its hardware specs.  You could always overclock a pc processor or flash a car engine chip to unleash more performance but at what effect on overall reliability?  Which is more ethical, releasing a reliable product or releasing something that has great capability but breaks down when you need it most?
+1

One thing that so many people neglect is heat. The hardware might be able to support 4K video for a while, but doing so might raise internal temperatures to the point where the lifespan of the electronics is shortened. What this sounds like to me is that the camera was developed with the intentions of providing 4K video and all the software/firmware was written for it, but when they got into the field testing they discovered the heat buildup problems and disabled that mode.

Sony is not going to sell you a product that they think will die while still under warranty...

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My kit is as follows:
Camera and lenses
Tripod
Folding camp chair
good book

The first thing you have to know is that birds have better eyesight than you do. If you can see them, then they can see you.

What you want to do is to look and sound less threatening.... standing up, staring at the bird, and looking like you are about to pounce or chase it does not do.... get your camera ready on your tripod, sit down, read the book, and just generally appear to ignore them. After they get used to you, they might wander closer and you might get a good picture.... but be assured that chasing after them will not work.

I have had great success shooting waterfowl from a canoe.... paddle upstream/upwind of them, get the gear ready, and slowly drift towards them. Start moving around, waving the paddle, banging the gunnels, and they are gone!

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The simplest explanation is the most likely.

The lens is unbeatable in it's price range..... the demand for the lens is greater than the supply... so you have a waiting list that is growing and therefore, lots of delay when you order.

Tamron's options are to either find a way to produce more (and that could be VERY expensive), to substantially raise the price in order to slow down the demand, or to leave things as they are and hope that after the initial rush on the lens that they will be able to keep up.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II & Photokina
« on: August 28, 2014, 09:51:39 PM »
Now I'm hungry.   ;D
Not me.... I just ate a plate of spaghetti so that when the sensor talk got all the way down to string theory, I would be ready....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 28, 2014, 08:32:59 PM »

Interesting that you shot the 100-400 mostly from a tripod, except for BIF (if you don't have a gimbal head for your 600 II, get one!).  I think the fraction of 100-400L shooters who shoot birds/wildlife with a tripod is very small. 


Most of the people that I know who have gotten into shooting birds, got there through bird watching. Among serious birders, you see an awful lot of tripods holding the binoculars. It is a small step to go from binoculars on a tripod to cameras on a tripod.... so you see a lot of bird photographers (around here anyway) shooting from tripods.

As to wildlife photographers.... I haven't a clue...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 28, 2014, 06:47:49 PM »
What you shoot with depends on what your needs are and what your budget is.

For example, if I have $2500 and want to take pictures of distant birds.... I'm going to grab a 70D and the Tamron 150-600.... If my budget is $25,000 I am going to grab a 1DX, a 600F4, and a 2X teleconverter.

Right, yes, but the point is that FF is clearly better in many more common shooting situations than crop is, which is why the 1-series and the Dx-series are full frame.  If pixel density was king for wildlife/sports, M43 would be ruling that realm but it doesn't.  Its not even a consideration for anyone even somewhat serious about that kind of shooting.  Pro wildlife and sports shooters overwhelmingly prefer full frame cameras and Canon and Nikon both agree that FF is the preferred size for action/sports/wildlife.  There is no real technical reason to prefer a crop over a full frame, all other specs being equal, and the only real life reason to go with a crop is cost.  If the technical advantage really existed, pros would be putting their $12,000 600mm f/4 IS II's + 1.4x TC's on 7D's all day long and throwing their 1DX's back in the bag.  They almost never do, though.
I would go one further.... I would say that technically, FF is clearly better in MOST common situations. I doubt that there is a single person on this forum who would argue otherwise.... the only case, where in technical terms, crop beats FF is for reach limited scenarios under good lighting.

The thing is, there is more than just the technical aspects of sensor size to consider. For the vast majority of people it comes down to what they can afford to spend. It does not matter what the technical specs of a camera are if you can not afford it.

You can't leave glass out of the equation. If I was going out to take bird pictures (tiny birds) and had to pick between a 1DX and the Tamron 150-600 or a T3i with a 600F4, I'd grab the T3i. Too many FF against crop anecdotes involve great glass on the FF and kit lenses on the crop camera.... not a fair comparison but an accurate comparison because if you have the money for a great FF camera, then you usually have L glass hanging off of it, while many with crop cameras do not.

For many people it comes down to size... a SL1 is a heck of a lot easier to carry on a hike than a 1DX, but even here it comes down to personal preference. In my opinion, for going on a week long hike, the best Canon gear you can bring is a 70D, an 17-55, and a 70-200F4. There are better cameras and better lenses.... but they weigh too much!

Of course if I was hiking in the mountains I would quickly change my mind to a 6D with a 24-70F4 and the 70-200F4.... Your subject matter greatly influences the choice of kit too.....

In the end it comes down to what you as an individual want to do and the balance of factors that influences your decision. There is no easy answer.

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I'm sure this thread is full of bad information all around, and I'm not even going to read the previous posts.

What can one say to that?
I can say "go get an SX-50" :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 28, 2014, 05:22:31 PM »

Stop trying to break down a simple system test to a series of theoretical concepts you think you can prove, system tests don't work like that and you can't supply "evidence" to support your position.

Yes, I did.  You just didn't like it because it was shot on a tripod.

The tripod/handheld argument is a bit of a red herring. How good is the tripod? how well does it control vibrations? And shooting without a tripod depends a lot on the person, how stable their stance is, and are they leaning up against a tree/rock/building/??? for extra stability. I can hand-hold steadier than the typical tripod, but a good tripod is steadier than me.....

and yes, I can shoot the moon at 600mm, handheld, with nothing to lean against and still get a sharp picture...

The point is, that "handheld" is a nebulous standard that can never be defined, so therefore it can never be a controlled variable in tests...

Fair point Don, but mine is that you can't handhold without some impact in resolution and that impact, even though it is to both systems, will make any small resolution differences even smaller.

also a fair point.....

May I suggest that we let this discussion drop for a while and over the weekend go take some pictures of the moon and carry this on in a new thread?

I propose that those interested get their hands on a FF camera and a crop camera of approximately the same vintage.. (6D and 70D would make a good pair, 5D2 and 7D/60D would make a good pair) and go out and take some moon pictures with the same lens/ISO/aperture/shutter speed and scale them up to the same size... Get 4 pictures and post the results... FF tripod, FF handheld, crop on tripod, and crop on handheld.... and for entertainment's sake, add in any other camera you wish to try.....


Great idea, though I'd suggest anything but the moon unless your main normal focal length limited subject is the moon. I was thinking soft toys or birds feathers.
I was thinking moon because everyone will be at the same distance and shooting the same subject with the same light levels.... the hallmark of all successful experiments is to control the variables...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 28, 2014, 05:07:39 PM »

Stop trying to break down a simple system test to a series of theoretical concepts you think you can prove, system tests don't work like that and you can't supply "evidence" to support your position.

Yes, I did.  You just didn't like it because it was shot on a tripod.

The tripod/handheld argument is a bit of a red herring. How good is the tripod? how well does it control vibrations? And shooting without a tripod depends a lot on the person, how stable their stance is, and are they leaning up against a tree/rock/building/??? for extra stability. I can hand-hold steadier than the typical tripod, but a good tripod is steadier than me.....

and yes, I can shoot the moon at 600mm, handheld, with nothing to lean against and still get a sharp picture...

The point is, that "handheld" is a nebulous standard that can never be defined, so therefore it can never be a controlled variable in tests...

Fair point Don, but mine is that you can't handhold without some impact in resolution and that impact, even though it is to both systems, will make any small resolution differences even smaller.

also a fair point.....

May I suggest that we let this discussion drop for a while and over the weekend go take some pictures of the moon and carry this on in a new thread?

I propose that those interested get their hands on a FF camera and a crop camera of approximately the same vintage.. (6D and 70D would make a good pair, 5D2 and 7D/60D would make a good pair) and go out and take some moon pictures with the same lens/ISO/aperture/shutter speed and scale them up to the same size... Get 4 pictures and post the results... FF tripod, FF handheld, crop on tripod, and crop on handheld.... and for entertainment's sake, add in any other camera you wish to try.....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 28, 2014, 04:45:04 PM »

Stop trying to break down a simple system test to a series of theoretical concepts you think you can prove, system tests don't work like that and you can't supply "evidence" to support your position.

Yes, I did.  You just didn't like it because it was shot on a tripod.

The tripod/handheld argument is a bit of a red herring. How good is the tripod? how well does it control vibrations? And shooting without a tripod depends a lot on the person, how stable their stance is, and are they leaning up against a tree/rock/building/??? for extra stability. I can hand-hold steadier than the typical tripod, but a good tripod is steadier than me.....

and yes, I can shoot the moon at 600mm, handheld, with nothing to lean against and still get a sharp picture...

The point is, that "handheld" is a nebulous standard that can never be defined, so therefore it can never be a controlled variable in tests...

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Photography Technique / Re: Swim Pictures - Share your tips/ideas!
« on: August 28, 2014, 04:24:52 PM »
Get a GoPro, set it up to do time lapse, and leave it on the bottom of the pool...

Is a time lapse GoPro how you post those cool cat pictures Don?   ;D   Thanks!  I have a buddy who has a GoPro that I can probably borrow.  I'll have to learn more about it.

It's funny you mention underwater.  I was considering a more complicated approach of putting my scuba cert to use and laying on the bottom of the pool during practice with various gear I already have.  Canon D10, D20 and a S95 in a dedicated underwater case.  I wish, wish, wish that Canon would make intervalometers a standard feature on all their cameras like Nikon and Pentax have for years!!  Aaargh!   >:(

Anyway, thanks for the tip and please keep 'em coming!   :D
I have an IPad app and a special cable so I can use my 60D as an intervalometer.... but no way am I going to try that at the bottom of a pool.... although it would clear the way to getting a 7D2 and a new tablet :)

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