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EOS Bodies / Re: 4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 24, 2014, 08:54:20 PM »
"You can pick an A7r up for as little as $1700 used, A7s' used for as little as $2000."

Ever wondered why these owners are selling?

You can find anything used. And I was actually having trouble finding all that many A7R and A7S for sale. On FM there have been but very few, etc.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 24, 2014, 08:51:43 PM »
A7s can't record internal 4K, and as per dpreview external isn't even cinema 4K, its UHD (max 3840 x 2160 @ 8bit). http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonic-dmc-gh4-sony-alpha-7s

The regular use won't care a whit about 4k vs UHD and UHD is actually better for them, if anything.
A7S+Shogun costs like 1/3 the price of a 1DC.


GH4 is better with both cinema 4K (4096 x 2160) internal & external (10-bit), only problem is that its micro 4/3rd sensor.


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"It sounds like there will be a retractable opening near where a filter would be, so you could turn your circular polarize easily if you needed to."

Pretty cool. I could sure use that with the 70-300L.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 24, 2014, 12:55:31 AM »
Hold off on the A7S just a bit more.
I gave up and bought an A7s ($2,500) and a GH4 ($1,700).  They are both ridiculously fantastic. 

Canon might eventually add 4K to the 5D Mark IV, but I can't shoot with that now.


I see no reason to wait on Canon anymore. They may eventually get there, and eventually may be second quarter 2015. But when they do, is it once again going to be technology that competes with last years competitors products? Or the ones from a couple years ago? Especially with camera bodies...they come and go so fast now, and the prices are getting lower and lower thanks to the competition. It's easier to buy a product like the GH4 for a specific purpose, instead of always having to find a high end expensive product that does everything.


I'd just get the A7s now, if you want it, LTRLI. There is no evidence as of yet that the 5D IV is going to have 4k. It may have it, and if it does, is it going to be as good as what the A7s already does? (Doubtful, IMO...I don't see Canon sensors getting that kind of Q.E. for a while yet.) You can pick an A7r up for as little as $1700 used, A7s' used for as little as $2000. By the time Canon's new cameras released next year are tested and proven, you'll probably be ready to move on from the A7s anyway, and Sony should have the successor ready as well (assuming they don't release it well before Canon releases anything). That just mans you have more options and the ability to better gauge which camera will best suit your needs for 4k.

At this point I will just let money build up a bit and spend in the spring. If Canon is ready then and delivers then Canon and that would be awesome, if not, that would be a shame, but SOny/Nikon it is.
Fall foliage is almost over and I tend to shoot a bit less in the winter, so I will wait until Spring and I'll have better money ready then too.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 23, 2014, 10:18:01 PM »
This is SO exciting!! Not because I give a s*** about 4k but because I hate listening to people whine about features they want not being included. Also... I hate the word "crippling" when it comes to camera features. So whatever achieves less of both of those scenarios... I'm all for!

+1!!!!!  Don't give a rat's furry hind quarters about 4k (or much about video for that matter) and I face palm with each new thread that is infected with DRivel.  Would be nice if Canon finally shuts them up--as long as they don't compromise the things that really matter.

Not that it will actually help much--I'm sure the complainers will find new things about which to whine!!!!!!!   :o

Yup, the stuff that matters to you MATTERS but the stuff that doesn't is nonsense drivel....

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 23, 2014, 10:16:53 PM »
Why early 2015? I definitely have very limited knowledge in finance/business, but to me it makes more sense to release something before Christmas.

???

I don't know that big ticket stuff like this is Christmas sales dependent all that much.

Plus many areas with large population where they do a ton of sales are in the deep freeze then.

It makes way more sense to me to release in the early spring so you get the stuff available for spring and summer sports, wedding season spring through fall, fall sports, fall foliage season, summer trips where people often go to amazing places where the fancy stuff is made best use of, etc.

I never understood the whole release it when November hits.... right after the fall foliage is done, fall sports are wrapping up, wedding season is mostly wrapped up, mega-vacations become somewhat less common (although some do use Christmas/New Years period for trips).

I bet many figure why jump at full list in Nov when you might not shoot half so much again until April. OTOH if they release in the early spring they might entice more people to jump at stuff at full initial list price so they can get the whole spring, summer, fall shooting seasons out of the new gear.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 23, 2014, 10:11:40 PM »
Well at least that sounds a touch more hopeful.
We'll see.
Hold off on the A7S just a bit more.

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hah

it does look pretty awesome though

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 07:56:02 PM »
2. 4k downscaled to 1080P looks way, way, way better than what any Canon DSLR gives you out of cam and better for detail even than 5D3 + ML RAW.

But you still have to agree that the 5D3 Raw kills cams like the GH4 for overall image quality.

Yeah, IF you shoot it with the ML RAW. It is pretty fine for 1080P if you do that. The disk space and all gets to be tiresome after a while, but it is nice.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:17:02 AM »
But the FS7 doesn't include a free 1DX in the tin.

True, but the pure video guys don't care at all.

And the stills and video guys could get go with with say 5D3 for stills plus A7S+Shogun and that is still less money in total than the 1DC. Or a D750+A7S+Shogun and still less money than 1DC. Or 5D3+A7R+A7S+Shogun for still less money than a 1DC. etc. A lot of stills guys prefer having a smaller stills option body than a 1DX anyway. Some wouldn't mind more low ISO DR. Or reach, maybe some combine with a 7D2. And by the time the 5D4 drops who is to say an A7S2 with internal recording won't be out for $2.5k too.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:12:23 AM »
Why people are comparing a theoretical 5dIV (which has literally none of the same specs as this camera) is beyond me.

Because if you know how Canon works, this camera even though maybe it should have nothing to do with the 5D4, will. They simple refuse to give the regular DSLR line anything to touch the Cxx line at all. So if the Cxx line low end doesn't get 4k what does that bode for 4k or at even top quality Cxx-quality 1080P for the 5D4? Or even something as basic as focusing aids and zebras? Or 10bits? Or 4:2:2?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:10:12 AM »
Let's not forget the 1DC, a Canon DSLR with full-frame 4K video (and the first DSLR with either).

Which is crippled and poor compared to the FS7 and lists for thousands more....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canonitis strikes Cinema EOS
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:06:31 AM »
This should surprise nobody. Canon are doing with their Cx00 line what they do with DSLRs: release small incremental updates with each newer version to maximum the extraction of money from their customers.

The only thing missing from the announcement was price.

Video is a much fiercer market, far fewer fanboys and people don't get locked in as much at the upper mid and higher end so that seems a particularly dangerous game to play for video.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:04:04 AM »
Very mixed views on this. With only a 30fps increase, there is very little reason for anyone with the mark 1 to upgrade. Canon appears to lack innovation yet again.  On the other hand, 4k is not readily available to consumers yet. Sure you can record whatever you'd like in 4k at weddings, but you have to downscale everything so you can put it on a dvd or bluray.. there is no universal disc yet that can hold up to 300gb, there are no discwriters available anytime soon if such a disc ever hits the stores that replaces bluray. The c100 is obviously aimed for sports / weddings / indy filmmakers or whatever so it is logical to have it only record 1920x1080 for the above reasons.

But canon does seem to scare the small film makers away.. thats a hefty price for only full HD, meanwhile you can get a a7s + external 4k recorder for only 4000 dollars.
Welcome to the forum. I also see no reason to record 4K today. TV sets in people's homes are not capable of displaying 4K. The Bluray disks do not have the ability to record 4K, without compression dishonest stealing potential quality of 4K.

Seems to me that there is a feeling like "I have a dick that is bigger than yours". :-X

True and thanks^^

The discussion between 2k and 4k is getting a little silly. It is almost like argueing how a 36 megapixel wins over a 22 megapixel camera while you only publish photos on the internet, or how there is noise on a APS-C camera when you zoom in 200%, that is like using a microscope to look at a printed a4 image on your wall!

We need a solid and widely accepted medium first with discwriters and everything before 4k becomes the new standard in even 400 dollar cameras. Consumer computers never get past the 1TB storage on average too and you also run into the problem that you need HUGE SD/CF cards to record 4k, which are very expensive and consumer unfriendly

It's a heck of a lot more efficient for storage than Magic Lantern 1080P RAW (the only current way to get really decent quality out of a Canon DSLR for video).
You can get a 4TB drive for $129 at any Best Buy. What is this consumers are locked into 1TB total storage?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:02:25 AM »
Very mixed views on this. With only a 30fps increase, there is very little reason for anyone with the mark 1 to upgrade. Canon appears to lack innovation yet again.  On the other hand, 4k is not readily available to consumers yet. Sure you can record whatever you'd like in 4k at weddings, but you have to downscale everything so you can put it on a dvd or bluray.. there is no universal disc yet that can hold up to 300gb, there are no discwriters available anytime soon if such a disc ever hits the stores that replaces bluray. The c100 is obviously aimed for sports / weddings / indy filmmakers or whatever so it is logical to have it only record 1920x1080 for the above reasons.

But canon does seem to scare the small film makers away.. thats a hefty price for only full HD, meanwhile you can get a a7s + external 4k recorder for only 4000 dollars.
Welcome to the forum. I also see no reason to record 4K today. TV sets in people's homes are not capable of displaying 4K. The Bluray disks do not have the ability to record 4K, without making dishonest compression that will steal the potential quality of 4K.

Seems to me that there is a feeling like "I have a dick that is bigger than yours". :-X

1. Plenty of consumer 4k sets are out there for sale and the prices aren't crazy like for OLED sets.
2. 4k downscaled to 1080P looks way, way, way better than what any Canon DSLR gives you out of cam and better for detail even than 5D3 + ML RAW.
3. you can use it to a get a 2x zoom or wildlife (which helps seeing how Canon keeps deciding to leave truly zoomed shooting out)
4. you can use it for super smooth panning and for some extra image stabilization
5. the roadmap for consumer displays has the TV makers planning to stop making 1080P for any but lowest of the low end sets by 2018 at the latest.
6. if you shoot 4k now you can view it in 4k when you get a 4k set, if you shoot 1080P now you can't view it in 4k when you eventually get a 4k set

I'm typing on a 4k set this moment.
And I was just looking at some 4k sample video and.... wow.

It;s nothing to heck to do with bragging rights.

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