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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D L Announced, Shipping in May
« on: April 02, 2013, 02:35:20 AM »
really cool for 3d video, one left hand version, one right, without a large gap...
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In other words (like I suspected) Nikon's D800 completely blindsided Canon.
So not to loose face and stem a possible hemorrhage of photographers into Nikon's camp, Canon releases disinformation rumors.
First: We may be releasing a high MB camera soon.
Second: Uh, we STILL haven't released a high MB camera because it's taking longer because it's neeeewwwwwww sensor technology.
Third: We have to upgrade the lens first.
Last one really amuses me because it implies that Canon lens suck compared to Nikon. Nikon didn't need to upgrade their lens for people to instantly see massive benefit from the D800. Will a whole new slew of Canon lens be needed to see a difference with Canon new high MB camera?
Sad.
9000$? Why not just get a MF system then?
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Support for the EC-S focusing screen. Seeing the dof and focus is a great aid and truly missed from the 5d2.
i did a quick telly up of all the professional advertising photographers i know (im friends with quite a few), and i would say half have changed to or about change to nikon.
i would too, but im not a fan of nikon lenses, and am waiting eagerly for a better sensored higher res camera than my very disappointing 5dmk3.
paul
Everyone is always "about to change"... what percentage actually did change? Not just giving you a hard time... it's a good point. Advertising photographers really do have value in the higher resolution and there's a few on this forum that are also "about to change to MF if Canon doesn't put out a higher res body soon". Their reason being that price has come down on MF digital backs to make the leap but they will stay with Canon for cost, ergonomics, lenses, etc. IF a higher res body comes out.
In my opinion, if Canon does not launch an cheaper model around 2500-3000€ with 35+MP, they will loose a lot of photographers.
Are they 'losing a lot of photographers' to the D800 now?
Yes
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Can you please post a link to the sales figures/reports/ranking that back up that claim?
Why? You post sales figures that they're not. That is the clear implication of your question.
Sorry, but my sentence ended in a question mark. Yours did not. Which one is a statement?
My point is that claims of 'outselling' or 'users switching in droves' are bogus - regardless of which way people claim the advantage - AFAIK, there are no data to support either claim. Thus the
I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth, though...
Value for stills? Don't understand this camera? Why when the 5d3 and 1DX are roughly the same MP's and do a great job with stills, and with video up to a point. The difference is the 4k image quality which seems to have become the professional threshold for high end video cinematography. Why have that feature on a DSLR if it wasn't targeted specificly at the motion picture industry. Why produce it in a DSLR body? Obviously the size of the 1DC means it can be mounted in places where larger and bulkier camera bodies cannot fit or need to be hidden or as a crash cam. Act of Valor was shot for the most part with 5 and 7D's. That leads me to believe this camera was specificly aimed at the pro movie making industry.
I'm sure you can use it as a still camera but why spend what may eventually be a $10k body vs an $8k body just to shoot stills and have a feature/s you won't need or use.
It´s true that the 5D Mark III is only better in speed and AF.
But I don´t like the image quality from the D800E. In my opinion it´s not advisable to put more than 30 megapixels on a FF chip.
If you compare the image quality from the D800E with the image quality of a medium format camera the D800E loose, because the image is totally unsharp. But it´s all a question what are you willing to pay for the best image quality.
in what way are the d800 files lacking?
in all my tests the d800 absolutely leaves my 5dmk3 files for dead. far better dynamic range, especially in the darks. when the darks are lifted, the file just lightens, doesn't have any of the ugly clumping canon grain.
I have only tested up to 1000 iso (the most i ever need) , and the d800 looks better then as well- more film like in the grain. The 5dmk3 has a terrible low light quality- especially when the light has a colour cast.
the resolution is a lot more, upsizes better.
if you test the cameras- you will see that more than 30mp does hold up with sensor. the files are sharper, the graduations are smoother. have you actually shot both cameras side by side?
i also have a 60mp phase back on a contax, and although this is sharper than the nikon, i think i prefer the d800 files for the look over the phase (that has the same horrible low dark grain as the canon).
also, the tethering into a macbookpro retina with usb3 is a lot faster than the 5dmk3/usb2 - even though the files are almost twice the size.
I have tested a rented d800 for 2 days now side by side with my mk3, and file wise i can honestly sat the nikon eats the canon.
i dont really like the handling or the lenses of the nikon, so im holding out for canon to come up with an answer to the d800.
paul
It´s true that the 5D Mark III is only better in speed and AF.
But I don´t like the image quality from the D800E. In my opinion it´s not advisable to put more than 30 megapixels on a FF chip.
If you compare the image quality from the D800E with the image quality of a medium format camera the D800E loose, because the image is totally unsharp. But it´s all a question what are you willing to pay for the best image quality.
I keep hearing mirrorless. Does anyone want a mirrorless camera like that? Why would yu spend that kind of money on a mirrorless camera? What pro wants to be looking through the LCD?
I don't mean this in an insulting way, but why would canon make a billion dollar mirrorless?
The Single Lens Reflex was the solution to the viewfinder problem in interchangeable lens FILM cameras. The only reason it sticks around is a combination of tradition and conservatism. It is a solution to a rapidly vanishing problem.
Remember that before the SLR, the vast majority of interchangeable lens cameras were viewfinder types. The viewfinder was good for only one focal length; once you changed lenses, either you needed a separate viewfinder or a corrective optic that you looked through. Both solutions were unsatisfactory (and suffered from parallax), but it was all we had before the SLR. The only other styles were of course the view camera (where the SLR idea came from I imagine) and the TLR (where you had two lenses, and hence twice the cost).
Today, there is no need to look through the lens when the sensor can provide a perfect view to an electronic viewfinder.
You might still want a shutter curtain (doing it electronically isn't always the best answer), but there is no reason that a shutter couldn't still be there, it would just reverse the operation. Push the capture button and the curtain closes, then reopens to see the view again.
I for one would consider a FF mirrorless to replace my 5D3 in due course, provided it has all the same capabilities (particularly the high ISO and frame rate).
I would love:
- A 36+ Mp camera body from Canon
- In a 1Dx-style body
- The best dynamic range delivered at the lowest ISO values
- Deliver more pixels rather than higher frame rates
- Provide the best Live View focus/framing possible, in lieu of 60-point autofocus tech
- Target the still-life/landscape/studio photographer, not the PJ or sports guy
- Eventually eliminate the flapping mirror and provide an eye level HD video finder