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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show us your Hooters (Owls)
« on: July 21, 2014, 10:00:06 PM »
Orangutan - those are nice photos of the endangered species that sadly became a political hot button and LSV, it's good the owl landed where he/she did!

Thanks.  I think these photos are more interesting for the subject matter than for the quality of the image -- they have some technical problems due to the lighting (and my skill level). 

This was right outside a designated Wilderness area.  As I understand, the biggest threats to this species are habitat loss and competition from barred owls, a close relative.

I don't recognize the term "LSV"....

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Animal Kingdom / Re: owl
« on: July 20, 2014, 11:13:06 PM »
I previously posted these in the bird portrait thread.

Northern Spotted Owl, a threatened/endangered species.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D - Weird black pictures problem
« on: July 15, 2014, 12:52:58 PM »
hi guys, i'm having a weird issue with my 7D.
I was covering a festival those last 3 days, and i have some really weird "black pictures" (no flash used) , almost like if i was shooting with the cap.
On 3 days and 33 gigs i only have 5 pics like this, but i never had this before.
Anyone have an idea? or already had this problem?

I uploaded the raw file here:
http://we.tl/xyPOMEKZSI

Thanks :)


What were the exposure settings of a nearby "good" photo?  Are they comparable in aperture, shutter speed and ISO?


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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: July 15, 2014, 12:37:28 AM »
Spotted owl.   Not great images, but it was pretty strongly backlit -- I'm surprised any came out at all. 

60D + 24-105 @105mm

First is 1/25th at f/4, ISO 800
Second is 1/20th at f/5, ISO 400


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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR ? - thinking out loud ....
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:05:40 PM »
Since we're speculating...

7 years down the road your pro/semi-pro camera will not only be mirrorless, but will have no built-in display and limited controls.  Instead, it will have a dock for your smartphone, which will serve as the control panel and view screen.(*)



(*) Not an actual prediction, for entertainment purposes only.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR ? - thinking out loud ....
« on: July 13, 2014, 09:17:04 AM »
As for the DR and color, that's precisely why I want an EVF: I want to compose using what the sensor can see, so I have a better idea of the final image.  This is another plus for EVF.

So you want a better idea of what the in-camera JPG conversion will look like, if displayed on an uncalibrated monitor with low resolution and a poor color gamut?  Sounds like a big minus for EVF to me, particularly for anyone who shoots RAW...

I'm surprised, you don't usually make bad arguments.  You have invoked the "it is thus and ever shall be" argument.  I'm saying I want an improved Live View through the viewfinder, and I believe it's achievable in the next few years.  I'm not saying current EVF is adequate.
You are apparently assuming display technology will improve while image capture technology remains stagnant...sorry, but that's the bad argument here.  Both are improving (and will likely continue to) in parallel, and given the already large lead that image capture has in terms of bit depth, it's highly unlikely that you'll ever be able to look through an EVF and 'see what the sensor sees'.

You're being a bit too literalistic.  If you read the context of my post, it was in response to the statement that EVF is inferior because it cannot show what the human eye sees.  The intent of my response was to say that such a position is irrelevant because the human eye can't see which parts of a scene will be clipped, or which parts of a scene will be in focus, etc.  An important reason for  Live View (and EVF) is to have the sensor give you helpful information to capture the data you will need for post-processing.  Beyond that, it need only be "true" enough to allow the creative aspects of composition.

As a side note: you are correct that sensor tech will continue to improve; however, there's no reason a high-end EVF can't have a couple of dials to spin through the range of what it sees.  As an analogy consider flight simulators: for those who don't have surround monitor sets, there are controls to "turn your head" and look out the side windows.  An EVF may not present all data at once, but can still present it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR ? - thinking out loud ....
« on: July 13, 2014, 09:00:11 AM »
As for the DR and color, that's precisely why I want an EVF: I want to compose using what the sensor can see, so I have a better idea of the final image.  This is another plus for EVF.

So you want a better idea of what the in-camera JPG conversion will look like, if displayed on an uncalibrated monitor with low resolution and a poor color gamut?  Sounds like a big minus for EVF to me, particularly for anyone who shoots RAW...

I'm surprised, you don't usually make bad arguments.  You have invoked the "it is thus and ever shall be" argument.  I'm saying I want an improved Live View through the viewfinder, and I believe it's achievable in the next few years.  I'm not saying current EVF is adequate.

You said more than merely 'improved live view', you said you want the EVF to allow you to, "...compose using what the sensor can see," in terms of color and DR.

RAW data is 14-bit, displays and EVFs are generally 8-bit - that's a significant gap in color and DR.  The highest-end professional video editing displays and EVFs support 10-bit color, and I suppose you are suggesting that displays will catch up...but high-end cameras (I have some in the lab) use 16-bit ADCs, and those will also show up in mainstream consumer imaging down the line. 

You are apparently assuming display technology will improve while image capture technology remains stagnant...sorry, but that's the bad argument here.  Both are improving (and will likely continue to) in parallel, and given the already large lead that image capture has in terms of bit depth, it's highly unlikely that you'll ever be able to look through an EVF and 'see what the sensor sees'.
I thought it was obvious what Orangutan meant.... guess I was wrong....

So did I, and thanks for the validation.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR ? - thinking out loud ....
« on: July 12, 2014, 10:37:30 PM »
The problem is, you can never beat some aspects of an OVF with an EVF.  How are you going to improve on zero lag, zero power use, virtually infinite dynamic range and color gamut?
The human visual system already has lag, and some EVFs are getting quite close to human lag.

If they are the same, then the EVF is doubling the system lag.

Human vision lag is, if I remember correctly, about 100ms.  Current best EVF lag is, if I recall correctly, about 30ms.   That could easily come down to 10ms in the next few years, and I doubt you could distinguish a 10% increase from OVF.

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As for the DR and color, that's precisely why I want an EVF: I want to compose using what the sensor can see, so I have a better idea of the final image.  This is another plus for EVF.

Sorry, EVFs don't show that, they show the in-camera JPEG conversion, which is way, way smaller than what the sensor can see.  I post this example often:
The fact that they don't currently doesn't mean they can't very soon.  Do you ever use Live View?  I'm still unpersuaded that, aside from battery life, there are any serious problems with EVF that can't be overcome in a very few years.  And, when that happens, EVF will be indisputably superior to OVF.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR ? - thinking out loud ....
« on: July 12, 2014, 10:30:31 PM »
As for the DR and color, that's precisely why I want an EVF: I want to compose using what the sensor can see, so I have a better idea of the final image.  This is another plus for EVF.

So you want a better idea of what the in-camera JPG conversion will look like, if displayed on an uncalibrated monitor with low resolution and a poor color gamut?  Sounds like a big minus for EVF to me, particularly for anyone who shoots RAW...

I'm surprised, you don't usually make bad arguments.  You have invoked the "it is thus and ever shall be" argument.  I'm saying I want an improved Live View through the viewfinder, and I believe it's achievable in the next few years.  I'm not saying current EVF is adequate.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR ? - thinking out loud ....
« on: July 12, 2014, 10:32:01 AM »
The problem is, you can never beat some aspects of an OVF with an EVF.  How are you going to improve on zero lag, zero power use, virtually infinite dynamic range and color gamut?
The human visual system already has lag, and some EVFs are getting quite close to human lag.  I think lag may be one of the first impediments to fall.

As for the DR and color, that's precisely why I want an EVF: I want to compose using what the sensor can see, so I have a better idea of the final image.  This is another plus for EVF.

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EVFs suck power like crazy.  You're going to need a battery breakthrough to replace OVFs as well, or an enormous battery that more than makes up for the size difference of removing the prism and mirror.
Yup, this one is still a real problem for event/action photographers.  For landscape/studio not so much.

Until you take that evf into very low light. Then It shutters and flops around like a fish out of water. (With the a7 anyway.)

For now, but it's not an intractable problem.  I'm not saying mirrorless replaces OVF completely right now, but it's definitely heading that way.


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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR ? - thinking out loud ....
« on: July 12, 2014, 09:29:43 AM »
The problem is, you can never beat some aspects of an OVF with an EVF.  How are you going to improve on zero lag, zero power use, virtually infinite dynamic range and color gamut?
The human visual system already has lag, and some EVFs are getting quite close to human lag.  I think lag may be one of the first impediments to fall.

As for the DR and color, that's precisely why I want an EVF: I want to compose using what the sensor can see, so I have a better idea of the final image.  This is another plus for EVF.

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EVFs suck power like crazy.  You're going to need a battery breakthrough to replace OVFs as well, or an enormous battery that more than makes up for the size difference of removing the prism and mirror.
Yup, this one is still a real problem for event/action photographers.  For landscape/studio not so much.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR ? - thinking out loud ....
« on: July 12, 2014, 09:23:09 AM »
Smaller and lighter body are the primary keys to sell mirrorless cameras.

Perhaps the keys to sell mirrorless to youI want the feature set of a mirrorless in an APS-C sized body.  I want a brilliant EVF, with live histogram, zebras and focus peaking.   I want to pick my AF pattern.   I want a three-sensor (color separated) imaging system so we can dump the Bayer filter and double our light collection per unit area.
I'll bet you that right his minute, all the major manufacturers have legions of crones casting chicken bones to figure out what magic combination of size, ergonomics and features will make mirrorless a huge hit.

Once again, those are features that you want in mirrorless. Others are looking for small, light and easy to carry around.

And I said as much.  The question is not what I want, or what you want, but what will make it profitable, hence viable.

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I still like the idea of a sensor that covers the entire image circle (with "circular" image lenses) just so we can get rid of the whole concept of "portrait" and "landscape" orientation while holding the camera. It allows for conversion from one to the other on the fly in post.

Exactly.  And also get rid of those stupid vertical grips.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DSLR ? - thinking out loud ....
« on: July 12, 2014, 02:12:23 AM »
Smaller and lighter body are the primary keys to sell mirrorless cameras.

Perhaps the keys to sell mirrorless to you.  I want the feature set of a mirrorless in an APS-C sized body.  I want a brilliant EVF, with live histogram, zebras and focus peaking.   I want to pick my AF pattern.   I want a three-sensor (color separated) imaging system so we can dump the Bayer filter and double our light collection per unit area.

I'll bet you that right his minute, all the major manufacturers have legions of crones casting chicken bones to figure out what magic combination of size, ergonomics and features will make mirrorless a huge hit.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D N
« on: July 11, 2014, 12:09:14 PM »
about another 30% off without video feature. I'm in ;D

Remember the Nikon Df?  The price goes UP when you remove video. 

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