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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: Today at 10:04:20 AM »
So... I'm just wondering how many here realize that the D810, D800, and D750 already have every single one of those features...

Or perhaps that's the point - everyone here wants what Nikon already offers? Either way, it's kind of funny :)

Why is this insightful or funny?  It's human nature to want what someone else already has.  Or perhaps you're making the standard Nikon fanboi error of assuming that the body is the entire system.  My guess is that a lot of Nikonians want what Canon already offers: great selection of lenses and accessories and high manufacturing quality (*cough* D610 *cough*).  And the D810 is clearly a nod toward the 5D3's strength as an event camera.

Ideally, I'd like to be able to select the best components from each brand, but proprietary mounts and connections force us into brand lock-in.  Depending on your particular style of photography, either Nikon or Canon will serve your needs better, but there's no harm or shame in wishing for it all.


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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 11:41:10 PM »
-carbon fiber or Ti body. hell my inexpensive tennis racket from Walmart is made from a Ti carbon weave. it cost like $30-40 weights nothing, is super tough.  really, get it done canon.

This is a joke, I presume.

I assume as much; titanium and carbon fibre in any meaningful application does not change hands that cheaply.

Jim

Dunno, how much metal is in a tennis racket compared to a camera body?  I found a titanium racket at Amazon for $35.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 11:13:39 PM »
A built in condom dispenser because the 5D3 sure seems popular with the ladies ;D Or maybe it's just me :o
 
I think it's your 70-200 f/2.8   8)

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When do we get to see the first raw images FROM the fantastic Samsung NX1!

And when do we get to see impartial, hands-on evaluations of all of it's features?

Don't get me wrong, I'm cheering for mirrorless, and also for innovations from the smaller manufacturers in order to put pressure on Canon.  So far I've been disappointed, though.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 10:26:06 AM »
You're asking Canon to make you a custom camera, and to change the 5D market position.  Unless you have many millions to throw at Canon, that ain't gonna happen.

No I'm not - the original 5D did not have video functionality, so I would like to go back to that.  People who want high quality video has the 1D C available (and that already supports 4K shooting).

I'm under no illusions that Canon would ever bow to a few people who would like 1 DSLR without video features, but there's nothing wrong with hoping...........
This has been hashed out on previous threads, you may want to go back and look.  The (not universal) consensus is that a camera without video will not sell well-enough.  The Nikon Df was the poster child for this.

Besides, video is nearly free: it has not much impact on the overall design of the camera.  As soon as you have LiveView, you just record that and you have video.  Video is not going away.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 10:00:39 AM »
Niche? I would venture that a fairly high percentage of users of a 5D Mk. IV shoot enough scenics and landscapes to relish the idea of ~36 MP.  However, a split or divergence in the Canon line to support landscape/ high MP users vs. the crowd you advocate for may not be out of line.
"relish" does not equal $$$  Until they relish it enough to forgo their tranya to pay for it, 36MP won't make it into the 5D4.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 09:57:17 AM »
Well, fortunately for anyone who wants the smaller number of pixels, I'm _not_ in charge and from the way Canon seems to be headed, you'll easily have your wish granted.

FWIW, just about any lens made will out-resolve a 50mpixel sensor down through f/11.

Salesmen down at the local camera shop have been saying "You realize you'll need better lenses to take advantage of that new/bigger sensor, don't you?"  Every single time nothing could have been further from the truth. 

When I pointed out to them that optical physics and the present (rather good) state of A/D electronics put sensors (and formerly film) in the position of limiting resolution, they changed their tune.  Until I walked away from the counter.  It comes down to the fact they want to sell more lenses.  Fear and ignorance will do it every time.

... When do you really need such a resolution? Maybe as a landscape photographer this would be nice to have. But that's a niche. Please don't sacrifice a good all-round camera for this!

You and jrista should chat about this.   ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 09:47:08 AM »
Hello everyone, first post here.

What would I like to see on a replacement 5D4

To put the camera on a tripod, press a button and the camera will know what I want to shoot and never miss the shot...............................
........................................... but in the meantime....

1. A few more megapixles may be nice, up to 28mp
2. GPS (think this will be a given)
3. Multi spot average metering (avail on the 1Dx, and this is supposed to be a pro camera too)
4. Ditching of the slow SD card reader, so Dual CF (not many people have the new Cfast card's, but plenty of the others)
5. GET RID OF VIDEO FUNCTIONS, that's the domain of video recorders. NOT GONNA HAPPEN
6. Not bothered about super high iso, but make it better up to 6400. NOT GONNA HAPPPEN
7. More DR is alway's welcomed.
8. Integrated st-e3-rt would be welcomed.

not interested in wifi - don't want anyone finding a way to hack into it and put nikon firmware on it  ;D

You're asking Canon to make you a custom camera, and to change the 5D market position.  Unless you have many millions to throw at Canon, that ain't gonna happen.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 09:42:58 AM »
While I would like to see these improvements, remember that Canon's marketing department has done a great job of anticipating overall consumer demand.  I think that tells us that the current market for the 5-series is wedding/event photographers and amateurs.  For both of these groups, it's far more important to increase the keeper-rate than to give the studio or landscape specialist a tool for producing images under specific conditions.

As tempting as it is to criticize Canon for their lagging low-ISO sensors, it's equally valid to criticize all the other manufacturers for their lagging AF and other features.  Nikon seems to have found the "truth" with the D810's AF system.

But wouldn´t you say the AF is good enough now, when they include a slightly enhanced 1DX AF in the 5D MK4?   :)

I haven't used a 5D, so I don't know.  I suppose there's always a way to improve it with face-tracking, etc.  Of course, being a financially-astute company, they may also believe that "good enough" means lower cost on the 5D4; this could translate to higher profits or to more competitive pricing.

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So canon could focus on other things, make the rest of the customers happy?
How many of those are there?  Is it worth the cost?  I've said multiple times that Canon is fully capable of competitive sensor tech when the market demands it.  Yes, they could turn their attention to sensors, but will the profit justify the costs?  I'd like them to do so, but they haven't asked me...

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Software & Accessories / Re: How do you carry your tripod around?
« on: September 16, 2014, 09:15:43 AM »
I have a similar tripod, about 5.7lbs with ball head.  For day hikes I carry it so it's readily available for a quick shot since I don't want to take off my backpack 20 times per hike.  I just ordered a lighter tripod (2.9lbs) to make it more likely that the tripod will come out of the trunk at the trailhead.

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EOS Bodies / Re: How can we improve on 5D3 to 5D4?
« on: September 16, 2014, 09:04:39 AM »
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And they don't even see them giving it basic low end features like focusing aids or zebras and such since those are 'ultra premium' features in Canon's mind still, apparently.

Hmmm, sounds like the Kodak disease.

damn right and then look what features other cameras offer.

canon seems to become an action shooter company only. 

AF... as good as a precise and fast AF is.. at one point a better AF is wasted on some customers.
just as more MP are wasted on others.

for years canon has not done much (nothing) for the studio/landscape shooter. :(

While I would like to see these improvements, remember that Canon's marketing department has done a great job of anticipating overall consumer demand.  I think that tells us that the current market for the 5-series is wedding/event photographers and amateurs.  For both of these groups, it's far more important to increase the keeper-rate than to give the studio or landscape specialist a tool for producing images under specific conditions.

As tempting as it is to criticize Canon for their lagging low-ISO sensors, it's equally valid to criticize all the other manufacturers for their lagging AF and other features.  Nikon seems to have found the "truth" with the D810's AF system.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 09:57:36 AM »
We already know the Sonikon sensors are better at low ISO
a better sensor does not care what you shoot.

Yes, actually it does matter.  The measurable advantages of Sonikon sensors disappear around ISO800-1600, and Canon sensors take a slight lead after that.  Sports are typically shot at higher ISOs.

Correction: I just took a quick look at DxO, and what I said is true for FF, but Sonikon crops do maintain an advantage at higher ISOs.  The basic point holds, though: for a sports camera, the 70D sensor will not be a hindrance.  I'd rather have well-focused shots from a 70D sensor than miss the moment with a D7100 sensor.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 09:48:17 AM »
We already know the Sonikon sensors are better at low ISO
a better sensor does not care what you shoot.

Yes, actually it does matter.  The measurable advantages of Sonikon sensors disappear around ISO800-1600, and Canon sensors take a slight lead after that.  Sports are typically shot at higher ISOs.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 09:36:43 AM »
Aside from the "new" sensor that can be the same as 70D. ::)

Good - it's an excellent sensor!
It´s far from excellent.

Please explain, and be specific.  We already know the Sonikon sensors are better at low ISO.  For sports this is not an issue, and this is a sports camera.  Now please explain.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 08:42:03 AM »
so now this incremental updated 7D MK2 is out can we talk about the 5D MK IV please...

Except for the sensor, it doesn't look incremental to me: it looks a lot like an APS-C version of the 1DX.

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