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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Just some sample shots taken with my new 1D X in lowlight

« on: November 19, 2012, 10:37:36 PM »

So how does anyone with a 5D3 think these compare to the 5D3 in comparable conditions?

The OP mentioned there is no PP in these pics, therefore, I say the 5D III is not quite near 1D X in term of high ISO. On 5D III, 12000ish ISO will require some NR in LR, but it's doable. I can say anything lower than 6400ISO, 5D III is really good.

Hopefully couple years from now, the price of 1D X will go down a bit. I might have enough money to get one.   Until then, I'll stick around with my 5D III.

Well maybe not in two but in three years from now the new 5DMkIV will beat the 1Dx at high ISO but a few months later the 1Dx II will strike back and put 5DMkIV to second place.  And so on and on

Life's too short!  We are all blessed to be able to do/have this hobby/profession.  Keep chuggin with what you got!  Never second-guess!  Never a "best" camera...only a "better" photographer! 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Just some sample shots taken with my new 1D X in lowlight

« on: November 19, 2012, 10:34:53 PM »

For what its worth a pro friend of mine did comparison tests between my 1Dx and his 5Diii and he found there to be at least a 1 one stop advantage with the 1Dx.

Now that I have a 1dx I much more enjoy reading comments like this? 
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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Just some sample shots taken with my new 1D X in lowlight

« on: November 19, 2012, 10:29:37 PM »

Hey Everyone!

Oh 1D, how do I love thee?  Let me count the ways..... 

Just got my 1D X yesterday.  Been gun-shy because of this little "issue"(http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10847.45) (credit to Northstar for starting the thread).

Anyways, just thought I'd share some of my ambient lowlight shots.  All with a 100L.  All SOOC JPEGs...no PP.  Absolutely unscientific and non-award-winning...all snapshots.  Just toying around with on-cam settings and familiarizing myself with the abundant (current 5DMk3 owner) settings.  The 1D X molds in my hand way better than my 5DMk3 with BG-E11.  So far, it's been a joy to use.

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/26582718_4k7KQD

Just to let you all know where I'm coming from and for future reference, I'm not a pixel-peeper nor a chart-shooter.  No disrespect whatsoever to people that do...just not my cup of tea.

D...what level of noise reduction did you use on these jpegs?   Also, did you use a tripod?

PP?  None.  On-cam?...'Standard'.  'Auto Lighting Optimizer'...Disable...always have mine turned off when shooting indoors in ambient lowlight.  'Long exp. noise reduction'...OFF.  Tripod?  I'd like to think I just used my arms, face, torso.    I'm one of the oddballs that doesn't drink coffee so I'd say I'm pretty steady! 

Hope that helps, Northstar.

I was curious about the on camera Jpeg noise red.   I've always set mine to low, but you make a good case here for using the standard or maybe high settings for high ISO jpegs....I guess my point is maybe in these high ISO situations I should stop shooting raw and maybe consider going with jpeg standard or high mode....it sure would make things easier.

FWIW, when shooting RAW, I disable everything pertinent to in-cam processing; i.e. 'ALO' - 'Disable', 'High ISO speed NR' - 'Disable', 'Picture Style' - 'Neutral'.  When shooting JPEG, indoors ambient lowlight, 'ALO' - 'Disable', 'High ISO speed NR' - 'Standard' or 'Low', 'Picture Style' - 'Auto' (IMHO, Canon did a great job on this) or 'Standard'.  When shooting JPEG, outdoors, 'ALO' - 'Standard', 'High ISO speed NR' - 'Disable', 'Picture Style' - 'Auto' or 'Standard'.  FYI, honestly, I shoot 70% JPEG and 30% RAW.  Please, to everyone, let's not make this another debate of the "pros" and "cons" of either format...I wouldn't take part in that.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / ®

« on: November 19, 2012, 10:13:35 PM »

That article shows the difference between a proshooter and an enthusiast 

That being said, it took for someone here at CR, to make me aware of the fix to my annoyance over not being able to skip menu tab's. Just press the Q-button, wonderful!

When I just got my 5DM3, not being able to skip-through menus was a major annoyance.  When I figured it out, man, was I happy!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Just some sample shots taken with my new 1D X in lowlight

« on: November 19, 2012, 10:10:24 PM »

For what its worth I have my max auto ISO at 25,600 but tbh that was only because I read one pro review stating that he'd be happy to allow it to go there, I've never found the need to be any higher, in fact I've rarely been up at 25.6k but your 32k-50k images look absolutely fine, even at 2xlarge.

Cheers for posting.

stoneysnapper, if you were referring to the 5DM3, yes I agree, won't have second thoughts pushing it to 25600.  Actually, 51200 will be where it's at (if needed), for me, for web purposes.

Dwight, sorry I was actually referring to the 1Dx. I suppose it depends on what you are doing with the images thereafter, I tend to either print for Club Competitions or submit digital and some judges will view at 100% or more. But for web posting etc they are absolutely acceptable.

For what its worth a pro friend of mine did comparison tests between my 1Dx and his 5Diii and he found there to be at least a 1 one stop advantage with the 1Dx.

stoneysnapper, thanks for the clarification.  In my short and unscientific observations, for RAW, 1-stop is close to accurate.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does anybody think the 1dx price will come down for the holidays...why?

« on: November 19, 2012, 10:07:25 PM »

I know they have a 200 actuation count policy, but if you do what I did and check the <1000 shutter count every 50 shots up to 990, and then one at a time until 1000, you'll probably find that it changes at 1001 like mine did.

Northstar, I understand your solution and like I've said, it was a good idea for your situation/issue.  In my case, I just wanted to cover all my bases before I talked to B&H.  I didn't want them to hit me with some technicality later on if I keep shooting and find out that before I reach 1000 actuations (per my count), the shutter count on my camera would say ≥1000.  If that happens, eventually, B&H will not go by my word, but what the camera "says".  I do not want them to tell me something like, "Well, you should've contacted us about the issue before you started ramping up your actuations.".  I needed a confirmation from B&H that they would honor an exchange over 200 actuations.  I did get that confirmation so I'm good for now.  Thanks again for the suggestion.

On another note, wasn't able to swing by Canon Irvine today...will do so tomorrow.  Outside of having them check and possibly be able to give me an exact actuation count, I need to go there anyways to have a different issue with another camera addressed.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does anybody think the 1dx price will come down for the holidays...why?

« on: November 19, 2012, 09:45:27 PM »

As Mt Spokane wrote, it's against federal law to resell a used camera as new....

Mt. Spokane, if you don't mind, would you please link an article to the aforementioned law.  I tried searching for it, but came up blank.  Thanks in advance.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does anybody think the 1dx price will come down for the holidays...why?

« on: November 19, 2012, 09:43:19 PM »

For the record....Adorama took my concern seriously (I sent several close up pics) and I was contacted by a rep.  They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.

So I would have to give Adorama credit for how they handled my concern, and I'll continue to buy from them.

I'm glad to know Adorama is taking care of you.  They're great.  So is B&H.  Really haven't had any serious issues dealing with either of them in the past.

As for me, I'm waiting till tomorrow to give B&H a call and see how to move forward on this.  If I get some downtime this week, might also swing by Canon Irvine.  I'll keep you posted, Northstar.  Do keep me posted as well.  Thanks.

Northstar, sorry but I just need to ask you a quick q.  When you said, "They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.", did you mean Adorama is going to cover shipping both ways of your 1D X replacement (if you decide to take that route) in addition to the shipping charges you had paid for your current 1D X will be credited back as well?  I ask because I opted for overnight shipping on mine and that costed a pretty penny (NY to CA).  I will definitely choose overnight shipping on my replacement (if I decide to take that route).  I'm wondering if I should try and ask to recoup that.  I'm not a hard customer to deal with and don't want to push the envelope in regards to what kind of concessions B&H can, would, and should offer me as remuneration for my "issue".  Thanks in advance, Northstar.

Dwight....it appears that it's ground shipping both ways free....I honestly haven't thought about it too much though because the camera seems just fine and I'm keeping it.

Thanks for sharing your experience with Adorama.  I shall see where my fate takes me in terms of dealing with B&H later.  My gut tells me to just look past the plastic bag and look through the lens more!  Man, this whole shutter-counting and deliberately being conservative with actuations is absolutely killing me!  Keep having fun and keep shooting, Northstar!

As Mt Spokane wrote, it's against federal law to resell a used camera as new....this put my mind at ease a little more.  Also, with BH's good reputation and the law, I would doubt that its been used....but understand your concern.

I know they have a 200 actuation count policy, but if you do what I did and check the <1000 shutter count every 50 shots up to 990, and then one at a time until 1000, you'll probably find that it changes at 1001 like mine did. 

If it changes before 1000, lets say 850, then you know it's been shot 150 times...your file count will show the 850 but the actuations will change to <2000.   If this happens, you have strong evidence on your side to support your position.

Update:

Talked to this very courteous and helpful gentleman (who shall remain unnamed at the moment) from B&H.  Told him about the bag.  He noted the issue on my account.  Asked him if he could ask a supervisor/manager if B&H had prior experiences with this issue.  He said, "None".  Asked about the Fed law, he confirmed that there is indeed a law.  Told me that he made a note that B&H will waive the "less than 200 actuations" policy.  Told me I could/should keep shooting with my camera and if I find any defects and decide to exchange it, B&H will honor the exchange within 30 days.  Told him about how anal I am with packaging, the lingering voice in my head, and that no one should receive a brand new product with an open bag inside.  Asked him if I could still do the exchange even if I don't see/experience any defects just for the fact that a bag inside a brand new DSLR was open (it shouldn't have been).  He said, "yes".  Asked about B&H covering overnight shipping (shipping method I had paid for) both ways (return and shipping of replacement).  He said, "Yes, B&H will cover overnight shipping both ways".  Asked gentleman to send me an email of everything so I would have a transcript of our conversation.  He said he can't do that from his workstation because he was a "phone only" CSR.  I asked him if he could ask a manager to send the email instead.  Manager will email me tomorrow.  Will wait and see if I do get an email tomorrow.  No muss, no fuss conversation.  I'm appeased in the meantime.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Just some sample shots taken with my new 1D X in lowlight

« on: November 19, 2012, 04:18:29 AM »

Hey Everyone!

Oh 1D, how do I love thee?  Let me count the ways..... 

Just got my 1D X yesterday.  Been gun-shy because of this little "issue"(http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10847.45) (credit to Northstar for starting the thread).

Anyways, just thought I'd share some of my ambient lowlight shots.  All with a 100L.  All SOOC JPEGs...no PP.  Absolutely unscientific and non-award-winning...all snapshots.  Just toying around with on-cam settings and familiarizing myself with the abundant (current 5DMk3 owner) settings.  The 1D X molds in my hand way better than my 5DMk3 with BG-E11.  So far, it's been a joy to use.

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/26582718_4k7KQD

Just to let you all know where I'm coming from and for future reference, I'm not a pixel-peeper nor a chart-shooter.  No disrespect whatsoever to people that do...just not my cup of tea.

D...what level of noise reduction did you use on these jpegs?   Also, did you use a tripod?

PP?  None.  On-cam?...'Standard'.  'Auto Lighting Optimizer'...Disable...always have mine turned off when shooting indoors in ambient lowlight.  'Long exp. noise reduction'...OFF.  Tripod?  I'd like to think I just used my arms, face, torso.    I'm one of the oddballs that doesn't drink coffee so I'd say I'm pretty steady! 

Hope that helps, Northstar.

Since you've been calling me "D" (I don't mind at all), may I call you "N" (if that's okay)...it's just a lot less characters to type considering, as a "noob" on this great forum, I've been typing so much! 

I feel I should've been more specific with my reply in regards to the tripod.  Apologize for having been curt.  I do have a tripod...an inexpensive "Rocketfish" CF tripod...with an RRS BH-55 (a very atypical combo, I know)...looking to upgrade to an RRS or a Gitzo sometime...but I digress.  Anyways, for those sample shots, nope, didn't use a tripod.

Will sign off now.  Gotta get some zzz's for a long day later.  Northstar, and everyone else, if you have anymore questions, keep em comin! 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does anybody think the 1dx price will come down for the holidays...why?

« on: November 19, 2012, 03:49:52 AM »

For the record....Adorama took my concern seriously (I sent several close up pics) and I was contacted by a rep.  They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.

So I would have to give Adorama credit for how they handled my concern, and I'll continue to buy from them.

I'm glad to know Adorama is taking care of you.  They're great.  So is B&H.  Really haven't had any serious issues dealing with either of them in the past.

As for me, I'm waiting till tomorrow to give B&H a call and see how to move forward on this.  If I get some downtime this week, might also swing by Canon Irvine.  I'll keep you posted, Northstar.  Do keep me posted as well.  Thanks.

Northstar, sorry but I just need to ask you a quick q.  When you said, "They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.", did you mean Adorama is going to cover shipping both ways of your 1D X replacement (if you decide to take that route) in addition to the shipping charges you had paid for your current 1D X will be credited back as well?  I ask because I opted for overnight shipping on mine and that costed a pretty penny (NY to CA).  I will definitely choose overnight shipping on my replacement (if I decide to take that route).  I'm wondering if I should try and ask to recoup that.  I'm not a hard customer to deal with and don't want to push the envelope in regards to what kind of concessions B&H can, would, and should offer me as remuneration for my "issue".  Thanks in advance, Northstar.

Dwight....it appears that it's ground shipping both ways free....I honestly haven't thought about it too much though because the camera seems just fine and I'm keeping it.

Thanks for sharing your experience with Adorama.  I shall see where my fate takes me in terms of dealing with B&H later.  My gut tells me to just look past the plastic bag and look through the lens more!  Man, this whole shutter-counting and deliberately being conservative with actuations is absolutely killing me!  Keep having fun and keep shooting, Northstar!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Just some sample shots taken with my new 1D X in lowlight

« on: November 19, 2012, 03:42:18 AM »

Thank you all for looking!

Northstar, I went the opposite route of what you did...I adjusted max 'Auto ISO range' to 51200.  Also adjusted 'ISO speed range' to 204800.  Not very useable at 204800 (as I've mentioned, I'm not a pixel-peeper nor a chart-shooter)...lots of color noise and loss of detail.  In a pinch, sure.  For the web, I wouldn't have second thoughts at 102400.  In comparison, I wouldn't have second thoughts (again, for the web) at 51200 on my 5DM3.  Northstar, when you get a chance, perhaps you can put your 1D X and 5DM3 through its paces based on my findings and validate or refute my observations.  Thanks in advance.

Having said that, Northstar, I realize and understand why you chose to set max 'Auto ISO range' to 6400.  Final exposure is, after all, dependent on shooting factors and like most everything photography-related, subjective.  We all configure our tools to work best for our shooting style.

D...yes, at some point I'll do some simple comparisons....I sometimes do a little pixel peeping so when I get past 6400 ISO, I start getting nervous   

Sligtly off topic....I just read the following article on 1dx settings from a sports illustrated staff photographer....I found some of the info helpful...

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/2678

Great find!  Thanks for sharing!  I don't shoot sports.  Sorry.  It's just not my forte.  But I will definitely read up on the link.  I'm always up for learning...anything that I could soak up about the 1D X...bring it on!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Just some sample shots taken with my new 1D X in lowlight

« on: November 19, 2012, 03:38:28 AM »

Hey Everyone!

Oh 1D, how do I love thee?  Let me count the ways..... 

Just got my 1D X yesterday.  Been gun-shy because of this little "issue"(http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10847.45) (credit to Northstar for starting the thread).

Anyways, just thought I'd share some of my ambient lowlight shots.  All with a 100L.  All SOOC JPEGs...no PP.  Absolutely unscientific and non-award-winning...all snapshots.  Just toying around with on-cam settings and familiarizing myself with the abundant (current 5DMk3 owner) settings.  The 1D X molds in my hand way better than my 5DMk3 with BG-E11.  So far, it's been a joy to use.

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/26582718_4k7KQD

Just to let you all know where I'm coming from and for future reference, I'm not a pixel-peeper nor a chart-shooter.  No disrespect whatsoever to people that do...just not my cup of tea.

D...what level of noise reduction did you use on these jpegs?   Also, did you use a tripod?

PP?  None.  On-cam?...'Standard'.  'Auto Lighting Optimizer'...Disable...always have mine turned off when shooting indoors in ambient lowlight.  'Long exp. noise reduction'...OFF.  Tripod?  I'd like to think I just used my arms, face, torso.    I'm one of the oddballs that doesn't drink coffee so I'd say I'm pretty steady! 

Hope that helps, Northstar.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does anybody think the 1dx price will come down for the holidays...why?

« on: November 19, 2012, 12:17:09 AM »

For the record....Adorama took my concern seriously (I sent several close up pics) and I was contacted by a rep.  They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.

So I would have to give Adorama credit for how they handled my concern, and I'll continue to buy from them.

I'm glad to know Adorama is taking care of you.  They're great.  So is B&H.  Really haven't had any serious issues dealing with either of them in the past.

As for me, I'm waiting till tomorrow to give B&H a call and see how to move forward on this.  If I get some downtime this week, might also swing by Canon Irvine.  I'll keep you posted, Northstar.  Do keep me posted as well.  Thanks.

Northstar, sorry but I just need to ask you a quick q.  When you said, "They offered me the opportunity to send it back free of charge.", did you mean Adorama is going to cover shipping both ways of your 1D X replacement (if you decide to take that route) in addition to the shipping charges you had paid for your current 1D X will be credited back as well?  I ask because I opted for overnight shipping on mine and that costed a pretty penny (NY to CA).  I will definitely choose overnight shipping on my replacement (if I decide to take that route).  I'm wondering if I should try and ask to recoup that.  I'm not a hard customer to deal with and don't want to push the envelope in regards to what kind of concessions B&H can, would, and should offer me as remuneration for my "issue".  Thanks in advance, Northstar.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1Dx battery?

« on: November 19, 2012, 12:00:59 AM »

In this economy, every little thing counts...trust me, I'm with you on that.  A lot of expenditures in life we may be able to cut corners on and tighten our belts.  Not with electronics in general and DSLRs (to some, it's a serious hobby...to others, it's a profession) in particular.  IMHO, the savings outweigh the possible damage that will not be covered by any warranty.  Those 2 reasons (damage and lack of coverage) would not make me sleep well using an aftermarket battery.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Does anybody think the 1dx price will come down for the holidays...why?

« on: November 18, 2012, 07:32:38 PM »

day after maybe...  but no way bofore

Wait, bycostello, were you saying B&H is closed tomorrow?