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Does the slow start up time after sleep go away after you remove the ML from the camera?

I'd heard that was a problem with the former version on the 5D3….that it set the boot flag perm. and long sleep times wouldn't go away even when ML was removed.

I know on this they say the boot flag situation is fixed, but wondering if sleep/boot times return to normal once you remove ML?

Thanks in advance,

My experience and testing with magiclantern-Nightly.2014Mar17.5D3123 (boot from the SD card, but images to the CF) showed about an extra second on cold startup (2.1 sec vs 1.2 sec) and about the same from an auto poweroff wake up.  For testing, I had AF and IS off, Manual, 1/500 shutter and pointing and prefocused at a timer.  Powered off the camera, held the shutter button and started the timer at the same time as turning on the camera.  Pretty acceptable in my book.   Most of the time, that's way faster than I am.  Hitting a button as I bring the camera up and it's ready by the time I'm looking through it.  The delay goes away if I pulled the SD card.    Prior to that version I was using the alpha3 and just booting it manually that took 5-10 seconds with the button pushing.  A bit of a pain, but workable.  Having it auto-boot now is just great!

Also, testing it with a non-ML SD card was the same as a pulled card -- no delay.  I expected this to hang the camera, but maybe that's only if the card was marked 'bootable' and non-ML that does that.

So far I'm pretty impressed by this version.  There are some rough edges which I get since it's listed as 'bleeding edge', but even for that, it seems pretty workable.   Not going crazy with the settings yet, but I'm comfortable with it shooting gigs.  The HDMI mirroring and external monitor support (from both 1.2.3 and ML) is such an improvement over alpha3!

Yeah i went back and did some analysis and yes the boot flag switch does introduce some startup delay even when ML is removed from the card slot.  So if that is important to you then you might want to reconsider ML.  Not sure how healthy it is to keep installing and uninstalling with boot flag toggle.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Replacement Mentioned Again [CR1]
« on: April 11, 2014, 08:25:54 PM »
In less than 5 months, it'll be 5 years since the 7D was announced and nothing so far indicates that a 7D II will ever be released ... I've lost my interest in it and if it does get released, I most likely will not buy one.

And when it turns out to be the best camera in Canon's lineup from a <insertyourpreferredfeaturehere> (1D X excluded from comparison :P), you'll most definitely be interested again! :D

While it is pretty odd that the 7D replacement has taken so long to deamorphize, I don't think it will arrive and be a dud, either. The 7D was (is?) one of Canon's most popular cameras, and they have to know that there are very high expectations for it's replacement. While it's certainly a personal choice whether to buy one or not, to not buy one just because it hit the streets later than you wanted is hardly a good reason. ;P And I think it's interesting for the very fact that it's taking so long...it just....HAS to be GOOD! Right?!

It has to be better than the current 7d....so that would make it the best canon aps-c available...when it is available. Ive held out buying a 2nd 5diii.  As i see it, just waiting for the pre-orders to start.  ;)

Just installed on 1.2.3.  So far works perfectly.  Little complaints from me other than the slow start up time after sleep.

Messin around with Dual ISO now.

Does the slow start up time after sleep go away after you remove the ML from the camera?

I'd heard that was a problem with the former version on the 5D3….that it set the boot flag perm. and long sleep times wouldn't go away even when ML was removed.

I know on this they say the boot flag situation is fixed, but wondering if sleep/boot times return to normal once you remove ML?

Thanks in advance,

So i tried this the other day.  I pulled out the SD card where i had ml installed and just used my cf card and the delay was gone.  I didnt try putting in an empty sd card.  Ill try that this weekend.

So didn't you read the specs of the camera before you bought it?

It is here in plain sight at the bottom: Operating Environment- http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_1d_x#Specifications

I don't understand how you can moan about a company who's equipment has not let you down and operates within its listed specs. But then again I am not prone to hysterical outbursts. That many people do use the cameras well outside the listed operating environment without issue is testament to how good your product actually is, but it isn't as much fun pointing that out is it?

Whoa - you're pretty sensitive if you think my post was a "hysterical outburst". Unbelievable. That time of the month?

I'm not moaning about anything. Just giving my opinion - that OK with you!?. Maybe it's an issue, maybe it's an isolated case ... I have no idea and I'm not about to spend the night researching this further. If it is an issue, I expect Canon to deal with it - that's all I'm saying - full stop. That's reasonable isn't it? I'm new to Canon [8 months or so] and have no experience with servicing.

If Canon has redesigned a part then it's faulty - right?  Can't argue with that logic. Design specs are between 0 and minus 40 C for the 1DX - that's a big freaking range. I shoot mountain landscapes at high altitudes all the time - no issues, but if there were, I'd expect Canon to fix a "known" issue.

Sorry guys, I don't spend all day reading forums or following the number of instances of this particular "issue" - this is the first I've heard of it. Nor have I read this thread in it's entirety. Thought I'd give my 2 cents, but I think I'll find another forum. Thanks for the welcome.

Well you misread the spec its from 0 to 40C not between 0 and -40C.  In Farenheit its 32 to 104.

I have never seen any Canon literature that states the 1dx operating environment is less than 0C.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Replacement Mentioned Again [CR1]
« on: April 07, 2014, 10:03:22 PM »
I have a big milestone birthday coming up on May 31 and my wife wants to buy me a special present.
Wonder what my chances are it will be a 7D MKII?
Mmmmmmm zero. But I would suggest a 5DMkIII  8)

True story:  I started saving for this camera 2.5 years ago.  I've not had my 5DMkIII for over a year.  I've started saving again and now have enough for it--want it for the 1.6X crop sensor and birding.

Are you sure you have enough for it?  I mean when Canon came out with the 600mm F4L IS II no one believed it would cost over $10K.  Highly likely Canon will milk our bank accounts once again with new release hype.

More first time posters, cribbing and crying about nothing .... all we've got so far is "show me the advisories or we deserve to know because we spent so and so amount of dollars, blah blah blah posts" without providing any design flaws that are widely complained about ... I smell a dead rat and a stinking fish.

Agreed.  I love my canon gear and Canon service has served me well over the years.

Well that's disappointing. I'll need to figure a quick means to disable.

Don't let me detain you from also posting this issue in the ML forum and on their bug tracker, if there's enough request the devs might have (another) look at it and probably find a way around it, you never know:


I would even pay $$$ to get this fixed!  ;)

I discovered that if I put ML on the SD card (and always use my CF card as primary), I can just pull out the SD card to go back to canon default...and confirmed no delay on coming out of sleep.

So now when I'm in action mode I can quickly pull ML out and replace when I'm done.  Not ideal but certainly doable in the interim.

The only issue i can find that is still really annoying is a slight delay to wake the camera up from sleep.

This cannot be changed as ML is in fact (mis)using Canon's own firmware development hook to load an additional fw from card, and the Canon lab boys don't seem to be that concerned about startup time when working from their desks :-p

Well that's disappointing. I'll need to figure a quick means to disable. Maybe swapping cards will do it. My bald eagles won't wait for ML to load. ;)

I would uninstall ML first then do the reset. 

Something must have gone wrong with my ML install.  ML website says to uninstall ML from firmware update in menu, but when I try to uninstall ML by going to Wrench menu=> "firmware version"=> then I get the message "Memory card containing firmware is required to update" even though the memory card with ML files is still inside the camera.

I don't get the "instructions" ML website says should show up.  What am I missing?  Should I just go to "Format card" and choose "Format card. remove ML" option?  If I do that, my understanding is the bootflag in camera body is still not deleted.

I formatted the card, set the camera to factory reset ("Clear Camera Settings"), then reinstalled ML, and this fixed my auto image preview problem and the ML uninstall option shows up in "firmware update."  I was also happy to see clearing camera settings did not erase my C1-C3 custom settings or AFMA values.

Excellent!  The only issue i can find that is still really annoying is a slight delay to wake the camera up from sleep.  Not normally a huge issue but when you are shooting fast action it could cause younto miss a shot.  For all other purposes the delay has no impact.

Ill be watching to see if this is resolved in future updates.  Otherwise ML is now a permanent system component on my 5diii.

Try uninstalling back to factory.  Reset defaults and try again.

So, on your ML install, you DO get the automatic image display after you take the photo? 
Where in the menu is the factory reset button?

Yes i not only get the preview, i get the zebras and red dots on in focus edges.

I dont recall where the option is...ill have to look for it.  Its near the section for updating firmware.

I would uninstall ML first then do the reset.  Remove the battery grip if you have one and get the camera back to its original state.  Then install ML.  You can then add grip and make your other canon settings again.

EOS Bodies / Re: Advatages of a hybrid viewfinder?
« on: April 06, 2014, 12:09:35 PM »
There are many benefits to a hybrid vf. The first is that shooting video would be easier as you would not have to deal with screen glare or seeing the vf in full sun. Another is that you can benefit from software image analysis in the vf while you shoot. The dual pixel cmos chips should make that possible. 

Now what we don't know is if in hybrid mode you can have both environments active at the same time. That is use phase detect af and get a superimposed image in real time of the intensity or color distributions.

Time will tell if new models will have that capability or not.

1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: April 06, 2014, 09:00:45 AM »
Thanks guys, much appreciated.

One question though. All three pictures went through exactly the same process and adjustments (hardly any). But on my monitors, of which one is a self calibrating Eizo, the third image has totally different colors than the others. Does any of you have an explanation for that?

AWB. Even a slight change will shift color balance.  Its best to manually select daylight when you are shooting outdoors.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS-1D X & EOS-1D C Cold Weather Autofocus Issues
« on: April 04, 2014, 12:42:48 PM »
I just finished a trip in early March across Baffin Island in the high Canadian Arctic, our daytime/nighttime temps were ~
-35/-40C  and we camped the entire time, so the gear was subject to cold the entire time.. I was using a 5D3 and 1Dx (loaner from CPS) Not sure if it had had the modification described, but I experienced no problems with either. My discussions with Canon prior to the trip about the cold and also the two C100 video cameras was the temp rating listed in specs is mostly the battery specs.. I kept batteries for both camera in a vest in between layers, and thus was able to swap warm batteries when needed, (about once a day) The C100's experienced issues with the LCD screen going black from the cold.. We did not try it but I think hand warmers, judiciously placed/taped would have solved that problem.

Its camera specs that are published, not battery specs.  I was advised by canon to avoid operating at less than spec but it could take it for a short period of time if left on as the internal components generate heat.  Canon recommended no more than 30 minutes below temp but could be extended if precautions were made for supplemental heat.

Ive used battery powered handwarmers in a cooler which work well.  The chemical handwarmers generate too much condensation.

I would say go ahead and release the info.  However people need to keep in mind that some of these including the 1dx issue involve issues when operating the equipment out of spec.  Canon states that the 1dx working temp is 0-104 and this flaw occurs at temps less than that.

So before anyone claims a sham, check the specs first.

Yeah you can drive your car on the sidewalk but its not designed for that so you cant claim its a fault when your suspension breaks driving over a bike rack.

1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: April 04, 2014, 08:20:11 AM »
It is partly an optical illusion, but some of them are bent.

Yeah, I tried to hold a ruler along the lines and they still looked wave like to me.

Any lens aberration filters enabled?  Also the 85 1.2 does suffer from a lot of chromatic aberrations. This could be an effect of colors not focusing at the same point along the edge of the frame...particularly in out of focus areas.

I think I had the aberration filter in Lr on, but I also checked the untouched raw file, and it looks exactly the same.

Would have been interesting to see if it occurred at f5.6.  At f1.2 the light curves are all over the place.  I still think this is just due to the lens being used wide open.

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