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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: buying suggestion: a 5D3 or 1Dx?
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:19:03 PM »
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There are some that prefer a smaller body for certain applications.  Weight, gimbal mounting, and mounting to another optical instrument such as microscope or telescope.  Often when I am using my 600 f4 on my Wimbley I will remove the grip so I have more verticle reach.  I would buy a 1dx if I could justify the added features but I still think in too many applications I would still have to use my 5d3 so it's not on my GAS list yet.

We'll see what canon turns up in the next year or two.

I myself prefer bigger, heavier bodies (maybe I need help?) for the sturdiness they offer. Light cameras aren't for me, so when I get the 5D3 (thx for the recommendation) I'll definitely be adding a grip.

You're right on the gimbal thing: I have a 7D2 on a gimbal and its lightness helps. I can't imagine putting a 1-body on that thing for extended shooting. There are plenty of advantages of smaller, lighter bodies. My own experiences have made me comfortable with big bodies (1v, 1Ds3). :)

At least you get a workout!   :). The other thing I like about the grip is that in a pinch you can put AA batteries in the AA tray and save the day when all of your other rechargeables are drained.  It's only happened to me once on a trip where I did not have a way to charge batteries....but the camp store sold AA's so I was back in business for a while.

You will enjoy the 5d3 probobly as much as you would a 1dx.


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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 07, 2014, 10:09:02 PM »
I have to admit that ML makes me a bit nervous. I get the risk/reward for Video shooters. Just not sure it's worth the agro for stills. People seem to love it though, so I guess I'm missing out. Is there still a staple 5D2 build? Maybe I'll try that sometime to see how it is. Do you keep ML on the same card you write files to on the 5D3?

Oh well, I think ML is for the cool kids;  "I used to be with It, Then they changed what It was" :o

I've been using it on my 5D3 since it was available for it.  I've never had a crash or an instance where I had to pull the battery or reset it.  The original canon firmware is still there, just hit menu and you can do all of the factory stuff just as you did.

There are only two downsides, 1) slower wakeup time from sleep mode  2) with some of the features turned on like focus peaking, realtime histograms and the like, it does use a little more battery since the CPU is running at a higher rate.  However if those features are useful to you it's worth it.

Other than that I have seen no downside to it.  I use Dual-ISO quite often now at times when I normally would just give up such as during noon sun or when shooting directly toward the sun.  Great for landscapes too.

I guess I should give it a try. The Dual ISO does sound promising. I'm in the habit of frequently formatting my cards. Do you erase the old files from the EOS folder manually? Or do you keep ML on an SD card? I suppose I should visit the site and read the FAQ again.

You can LL format and ML puts itself back on the card.  Kind of like a friendly computer virus.  It is easy to remove now.  Just flash the firmware again and wait 30 seconds for it to remove itself and restore the boot flag back to the factory setting.

I have done that only a couple of times to test the wake on sleep delays and the uninstall gets rid of the delay so if you end up not really liking it you do have a quick way out.


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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:45:09 PM »
Thanks, I will give it a try. The dual ISO feature sounds great. I think you lose some detail in the highlights but that's better than no detail because its blown out

With a properly exposed Dual ISO you dont lose that much and the shadow detail while less res is actually much more pleasing since the noise is reduced lower on the DR scale.

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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:41:29 PM »
I have to admit that ML makes me a bit nervous. I get the risk/reward for Video shooters. Just not sure it's worth the agro for stills. People seem to love it though, so I guess I'm missing out. Is there still a staple 5D2 build? Maybe I'll try that sometime to see how it is. Do you keep ML on the same card you write files to on the 5D3?

Oh well, I think ML is for the cool kids;  "I used to be with It, Then they changed what It was" :o

I've been using it on my 5D3 since it was available for it.  I've never had a crash or an instance where I had to pull the battery or reset it.  The original canon firmware is still there, just hit menu and you can do all of the factory stuff just as you did.

There are only two downsides, 1) slower wakeup time from sleep mode  2) with some of the features turned on like focus peaking, realtime histograms and the like, it does use a little more battery since the CPU is running at a higher rate.  However if those features are useful to you it's worth it.

Other than that I have seen no downside to it.  I use Dual-ISO quite often now at times when I normally would just give up such as during noon sun or when shooting directly toward the sun.  Great for landscapes too.


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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: buying suggestion: a 5D3 or 1Dx?
« on: December 07, 2014, 06:52:55 PM »
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In good light for slow or non moving subjects, the IQ is about the same.  Don't get fooled into thinking anything different.

Yeah, I've already established that. My overall message was that with similar final output quality, the 1DX has advantages in faster focusing and slightly better low light performance. Machine-wise, the 1DX is superior, I don't think there's a question about that. I guess many people don't think that these minor advantages are worth 2x the money. Seems the 5D3's silent shutter is the biggest advantage. If the 1DX had a silent mode AND dropped in price, would people still prefer the 5D3? I'm curious.

There are some that prefer a smaller body for certain applications.  Weight, gimbal mounting, and mounting to another optical instrument such as microscope or telescope.  Often when I am using my 600 f4 on my Wimbley I will remove the grip so I have more verticle reach.  I would buy a 1dx if I could justify the added features but I still think in too many applications I would still have to use my 5d3 so it's not on my GAS list yet.

We'll see what canon turns up in the next year or two.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: December 07, 2014, 12:43:48 PM »
So let me get this straight, in your minds, it is completely acceptable for a brand new Canon user, to open his $1800 camera and expect to know how to MFA a camera, or even know what it is for that matter?
Yes. A 7D Mk II isn't a beginner's camera.

Agreed as well.  There are more complex systems in the 7D2 than AFMA.  Any user of an advanced camera system needs to study the manual a few times to get it adjusted for their equipment and type of shooting.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: December 07, 2014, 12:16:33 PM »
Wow if he never AFMA'd the cameras he was testing I guess that pretty much invalidates the tests.

Invalid tests?  But...but...he does a lot of testing for his YouTube channel.  If that doesn't make him an expert, what does??   :o

Without taking pot shots at Michael
I think it is reasonable to expect a new camera to be calibrated correctly;
I believe there will be copy variation but what does canon need to do to minimize this variation.
I think, based on the posts I've read that there may be a surprisingly high percentage of 7D2's coming off the assembly line with defects.
And yes, I understand that six people with problems usually make a lot more noise than 100 people without problems. In any forum it is virtually impossible to gauge the real extend of the problem but I believe a problem does exist.

For me, this is the only body I have that gives the option to do AFMA. I like having the ability to do these adjustments. So far all these 'can't focus correctly' posts have left me in sort of a state of confusion. Before, if the shot was bad then I screwed up. Now I can blame it on the crappy 7D2  :D

Rod

Rod it is true that most of the consumer level cameras do not have AFMA adjustment up to and including the 60D.  The 70D replacement included this capability due to consumer pressure.  All of the pro and semi pro cameras have this feature.  I have friends that have consumer cameras and dont know their equipment is off.  They just assume the lens quality is bad or worse just assume it's sharp not knowing any better and proceed to over sharpen on their computer.

The thing about AFMA is that if you use a higher F-stop you can mask the error and some people just assume that their lens works better at F8 and F11.

I dont have one single lens both old and new that have the same AFMA setting.  A difference of 2 or 3 points wide open (especially with fast lenses) can make a huge difference in sharpness and more so with a crop sensor since the error is also magnified.

So for anyone to say that it should come sharp from the factory is just not possible unless the factory has AFMA or mechanically adjusted the camera to the EXACT same lens before shipping it.  In the old days or with consumer cameras today, you have to send both the camera and lens to Canon and have them match them up, or all of your lenses to the same camera.  AFMA lets us do it any time we need to.

Not to say that Canon should not be calibrating to some reference lens on the assembly line, but it's not reasonable to expect a factory camera to be dead on with every lens out there.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: buying suggestion: a 5D3 or 1Dx?
« on: December 07, 2014, 12:03:20 PM »
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I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments. :)

I don't know that it's obviously the better performer. It's more robust and has a higher frame rate, better AF and high ISO performance. Absolute IQ at Low ISO the 5D2/5D3 usually displays a slight edge in most of the test reviews I've read. Depends what/how you are shooting. That's why all of those former 1Ds mark iii shooters are still annoyed that Canon never gave them a replacement model.

And it's definitely not the quietest.  I would not be pulling it out during a wedding ceremony for example.

Most churches don't mind about shutter sounds. They more concern about annoying flashes during ceremony. 1DX is a much better body when flash is not allowed for indoor.

It's not about the church.  It's about disrupting the ceremony with a major distraction.  The 1dx shutter is no doubt a distraction in any quiet venue.    I agree that the 1dx allows for better shadow exposure.  In most cases as in an indoor wedding ceremony the 5d3 will work just as well.I've seen it happen and there are many here that have seen it happen.
Interesting POV. My friends(pro wedding) have just dumping their 5D III bodies(x8) and replaced with 1DX(x8). I guess they must enjoying loud shutter and heavy weight.

There is a huge different between spec reader and hand-on people. BTW, 18MP is enough for cropping when the shots framed correctly in the first place.

Certainly and for weddings I use only my 5D3 in quiet mode.  I guess there are many pros who just dont give a darn about distracting guests and only focus on their job.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:53:49 AM »
So background info, I do a lot of head-to-head camera testing for my youtube channel, Ive done this many, many times, most recently with my 5Diii vs D750, no issues. My main lens is a 24-70 2.8 v2, but I have a V1, and my Dad has a V1 as well. Ran into issues with both BRAND NEW out of the box 7Dii's.

Yes MFA is disabled. Shooting on AI Servo, Single Square, Full High Speed Burst- 10 FPS, Av mode at 2.8, shutter speeds are usually over 1/1000, sometimes all the way up to 1/8000 depending on light. Like I said, this isn't new to me.

Results on the 7Dii's looked as per the image posted, almost all of them, unless the subject is very close. I also did a side-to-side test, both cameras missed nearly all of them.

Tonight I thought it might be the v2 lens, so I grabbed mine and my Dads v1 (24-70 2.8 v1), his 70d and my old 7D. For some tests.

Both 7Dii's consistently missed with all three lenses.

The v2 and my Dad's v1 works GREAT on my 7D and sufficiently good on the 70D, though there were some misses.

If the V2 is working on other cameras, and not any of my 7Diis, Im coming to the conclusion there could be some focusing problems with the 7Dii itself. Maybe not all of them, but the 7D whopped both of them tonight in terms of focusing accuracy with the same lenses they were using.

Ill have to return both of them and I am hoping their replacements will be better.

Just my opinion, if someone spends $1800 on a camera, it should be working right out of the box.

The requirement to have to Micro Adjust a Brand new body, to me, seems crazy.

Ill keep you guys posted, should have the next body in on Tuesday or Wednesday.

I've highlighted the most likely source if the problem. 

Which is more crazy...doing a proper AFMA with the new body, or exchanging a new camera 4 or more times until you happen across one that's a perfect match to your lens?  Egad, what if you have more than one lens, and they're off from each other?  What if you buy a new lens?   Oh, I know...keep exchanging copies until you find one that matches your body.  Nothing crazy about that...   :o

Wow if he never AFMA'd the cameras he was testing I guess that pretty much invalidates the tests.

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7D MK II Sample Images / Re: Anything Shot with a 7D MII
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:52:11 AM »
Canon 7D Mk II
Canon EF 400mm f/5.6L

I'm torn ... I think I want the new 100-400 v. 2, but need to sell this sharp/fast 400 to be able to get it ...

I doubt the new 100-400 will be as sharp as your 400 prime.  Wait and see how the images compare to the 400 5.6L before making your decision.  I used to use zooms for a lot of things but have just given up and now use just primes (the only zoom I still have is the 70-200 F2.8L II).  For the short time I did own 2 of the 100-400, I used them primarily at 400 most of the time.  I found it soft wide open at 400, even after AFMA, and as a result the Phase detect AF system had a hard time getting a lock.  I would hope that they would fix this problem in the V2 lens.


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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: buying suggestion: a 5D3 or 1Dx?
« on: December 07, 2014, 09:02:24 AM »
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I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments. :)

I don't know that it's obviously the better performer. It's more robust and has a higher frame rate, better AF and high ISO performance. Absolute IQ at Low ISO the 5D2/5D3 usually displays a slight edge in most of the test reviews I've read. Depends what/how you are shooting. That's why all of those former 1Ds mark iii shooters are still annoyed that Canon never gave them a replacement model.

And it's definitely not the quietest.  I would not be pulling it out during a wedding ceremony for example.

Most churches don't mind about shutter sounds. They more concern about annoying flashes during ceremony. 1DX is a much better body when flash is not allowed for indoor.

It's not about the church.  It's about disrupting the ceremony with a major distraction.  The 1dx shutter is no doubt a distraction in any quiet venue.  I've seen it happen and there are many here that have seen it happen.  I agree that the 1dx allows for better shadow exposure.  In most cases as in an indoor wedding ceremony the 5d3 will work just as well.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Focus problems with the Canon 7DII?
« on: December 06, 2014, 08:59:05 PM »
Turning off MFA when shooting at a ruler seemed to correct focusing with very wide apertures on a non-moving subject.

So this morning, I went out to redo my servo sports test, with a different BRAND NEW Canon 7Dii, same lens 24-70 2.8 (which I know is working on my 5Diii).

More soft focusing.

Im upset about this, thats 2 Canon 7Dii Bodies in a row. Ill have access to two more later this week. Ive taken a couple thousand shots with 2 different 7Diis, about 90% or so are no good.

This is what it looks like:

That is definitely front focusing.  Was this with the AFMA disabled?  20-70 2.8 mark 1 or 2?  If its the mark2 model I ended up returning the lens.  The AF was not consistent.  If I AFMA at 8-10 ft it would not focus at infinity.  If I AFMA'd for infinity then any shots up close like you would take for a small group of people were out of focus.  I know you say it worked on the 5D3 but I think the AF is bit more touchy on the crop cameras.  The 1.6 magnifies all errors, even focus.



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Lenses / Re: 300 or 500I or 500II or 7D2... HELP!
« on: December 06, 2014, 08:45:55 PM »
Hello all-

I'm at a bit of a purchasing impasse and I'm hoping you can help. I'm looking to make a big purchase or two between now and mid-January, with a mind to use it/them on trips I have scheduled throughout the year.

 I'm photographing snowy owls in Canada in January, Iceland in February, eagles in Utah followed by mammals in Teton in March, an abandoned prison in April, Glacier NP/Yellowstone NP in June, storms in AZ in July, whales/puffins in Maine in August, and 9/11 in NYC by helicopter in September.

My current gear is Canon 5D3, 17TS-E, 16-35L 2.8, 24-70L II, 70-200L IS II, and a 50 1.8 II. I have both the 1.4 TC III and 2.0 TC III, and 3x600EX-RT, as well as the SR-E3-RT. I'm in the process of selling the 16-35 for the new 16-35L IS (I don't find myself needing 2.8).

I enjoy nature/wildlife photography, landscape, portraiture, and travel.

So with that said, I'm looking at the 300 IS II or 500 IS (ver 1) refurb or lightly used respectively, and a 7D II. I could also consider the 500 IS II if I forgo a 2nd body. I'm torn. The 300 II option would see use for more stuff, no doubt, but I feel I'd need the 7D II for reach (?). For the cost of both I could get the 500 IS II.

With either 500, it's a purely wildlife lens. With the 300 I can see portrait, some sports, even tele landscape stuff too. Of course, I'm also looking at the 85L, 135L, and 100L macro, so portrait use isn't critical.

If anyone can offer some advice, it'd be much appreciated.

Side question: I was looking at MTF charts. Is 16-35L IS looking sharper than 24TSE? I'm no good at those charts.

So you have a good setup.  Something to consider is that while the 500 II is really sharp and never disappoints, it is big and it's heavy...particularly with a tripod attached to a gimbal mount.  It's entirely possible to handhold BUT how much of that can you take?  If a tripod or monopod is no issue for you then go for the 500.
 
If you can live with a slight loss of IQ, you can go with the 300 II and the extenders and be able to handhold every shot (420mm and 600mm).  There are some tradeoffs but many think it's worth it instead of overdosing on Ibuprofen later that night.  I frequently use that setup when hiking and just attach the lens straps directly to my backpack straps.  I can go all day like that.  The 300mm II is a fine lens in it's own right for larger wildlife like buffalo, horses, zoo animals, etc.
 
If you dont care about weight you can pick up a used 600 MK1 for about as much as the 300II but be prepared to hire someone to carry it around for you.  ;)



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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: buying suggestion: a 5D3 or 1Dx?
« on: December 06, 2014, 08:32:06 PM »
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I have both and shoot a little bit of everything but mainly sports. Obviously I use the 1DX for sports but even when I am shooting something other than sports, I first reach for the 1DX and mainly just use the 5D3 as a back-up or second camera. Last week, I shot a senior portrait and used the 1DX. I do use the 5D3 for video though.

I think we're all agreed that if we owned both bodies at the same time, the 1DX is obviously the better performer and would be the preferred choice on most occasions, while the 5D3 would be just about as capable in less-demanding environments. :)

I don't know that it's obviously the better performer. It's more robust and has a higher frame rate, better AF and high ISO performance. Absolute IQ at Low ISO the 5D2/5D3 usually displays a slight edge in most of the test reviews I've read. Depends what/how you are shooting. That's why all of those former 1Ds mark iii shooters are still annoyed that Canon never gave them a replacement model.

And it's definitely not the quietest.  I would not be pulling it out during a wedding ceremony for example.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: buying suggestion: a 5D3 or 1Dx?
« on: December 06, 2014, 05:42:26 PM »
I own both cameras and I reach for the 1DX the majority of the time, because it produces the best RAW files, and ultimately the best photos.

If size, weight, and price are the biggest factor, then get the 5D MKIII, but just make sure you nail the exposure, because the RAW files do not have the same flexibility as the 1DX offers in post processing.

Gino, curious why you have both, if the 1dx is your go to camera.  Is it just for backup?

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