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Canon General / Re: DRones vs. anti-DRones: how to resolve the controversy
« on: September 25, 2014, 02:11:40 PM »
Anti-Canon = everything Canon does is bad.
Canon fanboy = everything Canon does is good.
Neutral = Canon is best at many things but not everything.

Ok, so that makes me Neutral.   :)

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Lighting / Re: Pocketwizard and 600 ex-rt on camera and off camera
« on: September 24, 2014, 10:51:27 PM »
Yes, you should be able to use E-TTL on the 600 with that setup.  Good luck!

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Lighting / Re: Pocketwizard and 600 ex-rt on camera and off camera
« on: September 24, 2014, 10:34:24 PM »
Which PocketWizard model?

I attached the pc sync cord with pocketwizards to the 600ex-rt(on camera)

Are you saying you connected a PocketWizard to the PC port on the 600EX-RT, with the 600EX-RT mounted on the camera?  I don't think the 600's PC port outputs a trigger signal.  For that setup to work, you'd need to connect the PW to a PC port on the camera, except unfortunately the 60D doesn't have one. 

I don't know of any free solutions, but you can spend a lot less than buying another 600EX-RT to make this work.  One option would be to get a Sonia green optical trigger (link) for the Neewer flash; you'd have to use manual control not E-TTL since the preflash would trigger the slave.  No need for the PocketWizards in that setup.  Another option would be an E-TTL pass through hotshoe with a PC port (link), and connect the PW transmitter to that to trigger the Neewer strobe.

Hope that helps...

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 24, 2014, 10:04:47 PM »
2000 Eure per month are sufficient, 3000 Euro per month give you some headroom, 10000 Euro per month give you much more headroom to do things you like - would you say "no"?

Put like that, no.  But...what if to get that 10000 € per month, you had to move to and always stay within the city limits of Paris – not the one in France...the one in Texas.  Or give up one of your kids. 

So, would you still choose that extra headroom if it came with significant strings attached?   Maybe you would prefer to get the additional headroom without any changes to your life situation...in that case, you could post on an Internet forum how much you'd like that extra 7000-8000 €, and hope your boss reads your posts and gives you that big raise.

I haven't spoken about additional restrictions ...

In that case, I agree...as I already stated.  :)   We've established that having more DR is desirable.  Now what?

Even MORE DR of course :D

Touché.  Yes, of course...bring on the near-noiseless sensors and 18-bit ADCs.

But, one step at a time.  More DR is desirable.  How exactly do we go about getting it, particularly with no additional restrictions?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 24, 2014, 10:01:30 PM »
I wasn't the only one who was confused by V8's comment...

Hence the reason I asked: "Did you just call all my photography glorified snapshots?"

I honestly wasn't sure...

I honestly wasn't sure to whom he was referring, either.  Yet you felt the need to go on and defend your photography, not merely ask for clarification...and that indicates you did take it personally.


And to be frank? Your post WAS very mocking.

You're welcome to your own opinion (even though you stated you wouldn't be bothering anyone with those anymore).    Apparently you know more about my own motivations than even I do...   ::)

(Oh, and to be clear...that was meant to be mocking.)


But at least we don't reduce ourselves to flinging snotty ridicule and mockery around all the time.

Not all the time, you'll just do it this once.  Got it.

Regardless, I have more important concerns than caring how you feel about my posts. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 24, 2014, 09:59:14 PM »
So I don't it's some holy thing where Canon knows and is striving for the best for their customers. It's more of a knowing what they can get away with thing, at best. Which as the end user is hardly something jump up and down about.

I didn't mean to imply that Canon knowing their customers' needs means they will/must meet those needs.  The only people they really care about jumping for joy are their shareholders.  Still, if they know a particular area if development is critical to a majority of their market and do nothing about it, their shareholders will eventually be unhappy about the loss of revenue.  So the fact that they've apparently done very little to improve low ISO DR for many years suggests that (a) they know it's a critical need and don't mind pissing off their shareholders, (b) they know it's a critical need and are doing something about it in R&D and will bring it to market when deemed necessary, or (c) they know it's not a critical need for the majority of their market.  I think (a) is pretty unlikely, (b) is possible...but you apparently doubt it, which leaves us with (c).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 24, 2014, 07:32:24 PM »
Are the 7DMk3 threads starting anytime soon? I have a bunch of popcorn kernels just waiting.......

No, but it's already being stated that 5DIV sales could be a non-starter.   Hope you've got some artificial butter flavor!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 24, 2014, 07:23:06 PM »
I don't think any DxO score embarrassment or any forum talk will influence them to go to a new sensor fab.

Really?  Who'da thunk?


They don't seem to want to prevent the chance for sales to tank, but are just gonna ride the current sensor types out until sales totally go away, if ever.

Thanks for including 'if ever'.  It's possible – one might almost even call it likely – that Canon knows more about their market and what is important to their customers than DxO or a few people on the Internet.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 24, 2014, 06:57:30 PM »
I'm sorry, but there is a difference between the posts I've written to be humorous, which have absolutely ZERO veiled insults or mockery, let alone blatant insults and mockery, and what you guys are doing, which appears to be intended to be insulting and mocking and derogatory (veiled or otherwise.)

I'm sorry that you didn't see my manipulated images as humorous, which is how they were intended. 

No one is telling you what you can or can't talk about.   I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from attributing statements to me which I have not made, such as stating there's no value in having more DR, or that DR doesn't matter.  As I know you're fully aware, if landscape photography were my primary focus, I'd own a D800E (now D810) and a 14-24/2.8...I've been saying that for about 2 years now, and DR is one of the reasons.  DR is important, but to me – and based on the sales figures, to most people – it's neither the only nor the single most important criterion by which a camera system is judged.

Honestly, you seem to be taking things on these forums as personal attacks against you when they are not intended as anything of the sort.  For example, the comment about Tony Northrup's portfolio:

Why is someone whose portfolio is full of glorified snapshots so concerned about his equipment?
Did you just call all my photography glorified snapshots?

I'm not sure what the solution is, but I hope you find one...

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 24, 2014, 03:52:53 PM »
2000 Eure per month are sufficient, 3000 Euro per month give you some headroom, 10000 Euro per month give you much more headroom to do things you like - would you say "no"?

Put like that, no.  But...what if to get that 10000 € per month, you had to move to and always stay within the city limits of Paris – not the one in France...the one in Texas.  Or give up one of your kids. 

So, would you still choose that extra headroom if it came with significant strings attached?   Maybe you would prefer to get the additional headroom without any changes to your life situation...in that case, you could post on an Internet forum how much you'd like that extra 7000-8000 €, and hope your boss reads your posts and gives you that big raise.

I haven't spoken about additional restrictions ...

In that case, I agree...as I already stated.  :)   We've established that having more DR is desirable.  Now what? 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 24, 2014, 02:13:33 PM »
2000 Eure per month are sufficient, 3000 Euro per month give you some headroom, 10000 Euro per month give you much more headroom to do things you like - would you say "no"?

Put like that, no.  But...what if to get that 10000 € per month, you had to move to and always stay within the city limits of Paris – not the one in France...the one in Texas.  Or give up one of your kids. 

So, would you still choose that extra headroom if it came with significant strings attached?   Maybe you would prefer to get the additional headroom without any changes to your life situation...in that case, you could post on an Internet forum how much you'd like that extra 7000-8000 €, and hope your boss reads your posts and gives you that big raise. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 24, 2014, 12:54:43 PM »
More mockery, wonderful.

But seriously. Enough with the insulting mockery. Enough with making it personal. It's just sick.

I recommend three doses of your own advice, and call your local comedy club if you need a stronger prescription.

First off, it was primarily meant to be a joke. ...you can't even catch the whiff of humor anymore.

It was a simple figure of speech, one meant to be a little humorous.

lighten up man!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 24, 2014, 11:47:39 AM »
Neuro would you please care and lift some of the shadows in that picture of yours?
Not possible. It's no Exmor. Just Canon.

Oh, that was shot with Exmor.  Here's the lifted Exmor image again:



Below is the original image before I lifted the exposure 10 stops.  I also took the same underexposed shot on a Canon, lifted the exposure by the same 10 stops. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Just for Jrista: 2014 Market Data
« on: September 24, 2014, 11:30:49 AM »
I'd do that if it were even remotely possible that something constructive would come out of any of this.
Nice cop out, way to go.

Yes, that's it, I'm copping out. It couldn't possibly be that I've chosen to stop responding to certain people who are quicker to retort than to re-evaluate their position. That will come up with any justification so as to not have to change their long held tenets.

Still a cop out.  It would have been nice to see the full image as well as the crop you showed.  Notice how PBD showed full images, then crops, and offered to make RAWs available.  Of course, it's your right to not show the full image. 


Let's take a look at some examples of this illogical, unreasonable sentiment over the years... kind of like a 'Greatest Hits.' This is literally stuff from 2-3 years ago:

I present clear full-resolution side-by-sides images of a Nikon 14-24 vs. Canon 16-35 f/2.8L II showing just how much better the 14-24 is.

I remember when I presented side-by-sides of the Canon 16-35 f/2.8L II vs. the Nikon 14-24 on the same body, clearly showing huge differences in edge sharpness, and it was argued that the entire test was invalid b/c the Canon lens had too much flare. (1) Ok, that's a characteristic of the lens then in that scenario; (2) despite flare, the difference in sharpness was so obvious you'd have to be blind not to see it. Yet people argued away...

Well, one person argued...and several people agreed that the Nikon 14-24/2.8 delivers better IQ than the Canon 16-35/2.8 II, particularly in the corners of the frame.     Oh, and you're the only one who brought up flare. 

Do you see a general pattern here?  Where one system has a particular technical advantage over another, most people acknowledge that advantage.  They may question the relevance of that advantage to themselves or to most people, or they may question the relative importance of that particular technical advantage compared to other aspects of system performance.  The are then treated to repeated examples demonstrating that particular technical advantage, which they've already acknowledged. 


Unsubscribing from this thread.

Evidently not. 

Regardless, it doesn't change the fundamental points.  Exmor sensors deliver more dynamic range and can tolerate more shadow lifting than Canon sensors.  A shot with the lens cap on that's pushed 5 stops in post will look better from an Exmor sensor than a Canon sensor.  (Almost) no one argues those points, certainly I don't argue them...    What I argue is the relevance of those issues to general photograpy by typical shooters, even advanced shooters.  What I vehemently disagree with is the claim that those differences between Canon and SoNikon sensors mean Canon sensors are 'poor', produce images generally unsuitable for delivery to clients, etc. 

In the context of this thread, if more DR was so critically and broadly important to a majority of photographers, then Canon would almost certainly no longer be the market leader.  But they remain the market leader.  Conclusion:  while DR and hard pushing of shadows is important to some people some of the time, and perhaps to a very few people most of the time, it's not the most important thing to most people buying dSLRs.  Period. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 24, 2014, 10:35:33 AM »
My point wasn't that most cameras don't have good AF, although many of the best lenses don't, it was that I can't imagine an image where DR could ever be "the only thing that matters", little things like the subject tend to be more important, always, every single time. It is easy to get wrapped up in a train of thought and let it take you to illogical conclusions, DR being the only thing that matters is a perfect example, as a thought it is not valid, as an idea it is not valid, even as a glib throwaway line it is not valid.

PBD, I appreciate your normally cogent arguments and the knowledge that you bring to these forums.  But I have to say, the comment above shows your total lack of appreciation for the importance of DR.  There are many examples around the world of images where DR is the only thing that matters.  I believe you stated you're located in the USA, you'll find many such examples hanging in prominent galleries there.  For your own personal edification, next time you're in the Washington, D.C. area you might take the time to visit the National Gallery of Art.  Here's a quick snapshot from inside the West Building...

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