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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]

« on: November 30, 2011, 04:47:13 AM »

Hoping for more information to be leaked soon. That means: before Christmas.  Sounds great. An 1Dx sensor-ish 5D, wow.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Form TheNewCamera: D800 18 MP rumor/D900 36 MP Likely?

« on: November 29, 2011, 05:57:52 PM »

But then Canon people also admit that the 5D3 will either have the 18MP 1DX-sensor with less features (ie, probably the exact same everything else as the 5D2 (same 9pt AF, not 19pt, it's not a sports camera, get used to it)), or a 24-36MP sensor that will perform less than the 1DX sensor even when shrunk to 18MP, or else the 5D3 will cannibalise the 1DX sales.
Does nikon not care about cannibalising? Why would they release a 36MP D3X-beater at 1/4 of the price?

For that reason, I'm banking on D800 being 18MP. Although I would actually hope that it's 36MP, because it will light a fire under canon. Either way, I want an announcement, because canon's just going to sit on their plum 5D2-sales until they actually have any real competition from the yellow guys...

I strongly underline that. Hope you are right. An affordable 1Dxish super low light cam would be a dream cam for me. I am no PJ, just a high ISO enthusiast influenced by robert frank and robert capa, the two at once and that's a lot to learn from. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Push vs. ISO

« on: November 29, 2011, 04:39:14 AM »

What is the camera's native ISO?
The EOS C300 has a native ISO of 850. It is at this setting that dynamic range, especially in highlight areas, reaches its maximum. At lower ISO settings, the dynamic range tends to shift more toward shadow detail.

Why 850 ISO?
ISO 850 on the EOS C300 provides an optimum balance between dynamic range and noise levels. At higher ISO or gain settings, dynamic range remains essentially the same, but digital noise tends to increase.

@NotABunny: Thank you for posting this explanation. As I am not into tech at all this is an interesting revelation to me.

Asking a few additional questions then:

a)What is the current native ISO of a 5D2? (800?)

b)And what improvement might be expected in a 5D3? (1600?)
 
c) Is native ISO the more important base for qualifying a camera body noisewise: "this body in comparison to the other is one stop better in noise?" Or is it both components: sensor size PLUS native ISO?

Thanks for considering. Cheers, Pedro

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EOS Bodies / Re: Workflow vs MP count. Wedding Photographers?

« on: November 29, 2011, 03:33:02 AM »

I shoot weddings with a 5D original as I love the files that come out of it. Skin tones are simply beautiful. It has a 13mp sensor and I have never EVER had a problem or desired more. Best things I have done to speed up workflow is to get 8GB of RAM and an SSD in my computer. It has made everything SO much better.

I am getting a 2nd body next summer and it will likely be the MKII as the added low light performance will come in handy and having a body capable of video would be nice. Can't imagine the 21mp will be too much of an issue. I have plenty of HDD space.

If I am getting your comment right, it says: wedding photographers don't need an 36 MP beast to do their job? If so, there is hope for my FF price range I'd say: gimme a 3500 USD low light genius fit for candlellight wedding receptions and other dificult task which do not require high fps rates

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EOS Bodies / Re: Noise: shrinking High-MP vs Native Low-MP

« on: November 29, 2011, 03:26:48 AM »

intresting post. while the rumour mill is gaining speed over at Nikon we hopefully may expect an intresting spring in Canonland.. Let's hope for 18 MP D800 and then wait what Canon come out with 

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EOS Bodies / Re: What do you want from the 5D mk III

« on: November 28, 2011, 03:54:59 PM »

Expose-to-the-right setting where you set the amount of clipping of highlights

Pixel binning so I can shoot 10MP at ISO6400 and get similar noise to ISO 1600

Keep the MP in the 21-26 range and increase DR and reduce high ISO noise.  IMO you are not going to get a 36MP camera with the same DR and high ISO IQ as you have now.  Something fundamental needs to happen with sensor technology for this to happen which is why the 1Dx only has 18MP.

Timer on LCD in bulb mode (so I can see exposure time in the dark)

I stripped the tech part down a bit , as I am not much into it. But these features here would make the perfect camera in my price range.

Just one question: wouldn't pixelbinning cannibalize an 1Dx? But let's say, for a 30+MP monster this could be an intresting possibility. I'd be taking the gros of my pictures at 8 MP as with my current 30D. 8 MP is plenty for my amateur photographer needs, as I am aiming at better low light IQ.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D3 Announcement Date & Poll (and your thoughts)

« on: November 28, 2011, 03:44:15 PM »

How soon do people want a 5D3? I'm asking as the 5D2 is at an all time low price that's more tempting to me than ever. If I get the 5D2 now, expect a 5D3 announcement soon. If I don't, there may be a long wait ahead...

So go and get your Mark II, finally want to know what to expect of a 5D3 specswise.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Form TheNewCamera: D800 18 MP rumor/D900 36 MP Likely?

« on: November 28, 2011, 01:24:15 PM »

...  I think Canon did the right thing to stick with a 18mp sensor and go for improved light sensitivity, given current sensor technology ... Still, they do sell to people who buy according to MP count, so a high MP body will be popular.  I do not have a issue with large files, but 18mp is enough to be able to do a reasonable crop, and the high ISO performance is a big deal to me.

Plus one. @ MtSpokane: But I guess Canon will follow suit when Nikon announces a 36 MP body equivalent to the 5D level. I wonder if 21 MP is not enough even for landscape and wedding photographers. Stepping back to 18 MP, by using the 1Dx sensor, would that severely cannibalize an 1Dx? Getting back to FF I am just looking for "the best of both worlds" 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D3 Information & Poll (your thoughts)

« on: November 28, 2011, 09:36:44 AM »

I don't think there will be any announcements before March. Perhaps 5D Mark III from March - June, then the 7D with 650D at Photokina. Or in that order.

24 -30 megapixels, 5fps, max ISO 102,400.

+1 hoping for an MP count below the 30 mark, 24-28 MP,
hoping for March, though I consider that as quite unlikely.
I voted Photokina.

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EOS Bodies / Workflow vs MP count. Wedding Photographers?

« on: November 28, 2011, 09:21:56 AM »

At dpreview somebody talked about workflow in relation to MP count. According to the photojournalists the 1Dx would provide fast workflow, so the nikonians hope for a D4 at 18 MP.

What is the wedding photographer's perspective on MP count vs workflow concerning the 5D3?

Here's an excerpt from the thread  over at dpreview:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=39927496&page=5
"bobn2 wrote:

ScottMac wrote:

Obviously, from canon's 1DX spec, 18 Mp is the max (currently) for high iso IQ.

For Canon, very possibly, but they have different constraints.

I do agree if the D4 was 24 MP and 1080 HD, and the high iso IQ was as good or better than thr D3s, it would bury Canon and bury the 1DX. But it's not going to be 24 MP and even in a dreamworld it would never be 2 to 4k, it would be $8,000+.

There is no evidence or reason behind those statements. Since 24MP will 'bury Canon and the 1D X' that's a very good reason for Nikon to do it.

Bob, generally, I agree with most of what you are saying about the D800, but there is one sidepoint where I disagree somewhat: D4.

I was talking to a group of fellow PJ shooters just about a week ago (during a longer break in a TV show). Usually among those people there is very little gear talk (and if so, most often about things like better batteries for flashes or some useful cabin bag for hauling around your gear). But we ended up talking about the announced 1D X. Mind you, over here, almost all of the bigger magazines and agencys working with news and/or sports photography has switched to Nikon in the past three years. While freelancers on a budget for the most part has remained with Canon - switching is expensive.

Of those (two) present using Canon, they were happy for the transition to 24x36 in the 1D X, was longing for Canons 200-400 (Nikons 200-400 is a beloved lens among sports and PJ shooters) - and were more or less relieved that Canon had not upped the MP count any further (they both had 1D Mk4 with 16 MP). And among the (five, aside from me) present Nikon shooters several expressed worry that Nikon would go overboard in the MP departement, the common ground seemed to be that 18 MP was a nice number. And these people were not (as so many in these forums) worried about noise levels - it was all about workflow. I have said several times before, and I am aware I am a small minority in this, but I personally would actually prefer a 12 MP D4 for that reason alone ...  One of the others sort of agreed to that, but 16-18 MP seemed to be where the others felt was a good level. I mentioned 24 MP and that evoked very little enthusiasm, one guy said (and he does not follow rumour sites ) he rather had "a high res small body, like a 5D on the side" - this seemed to match others opinions pretty well. After that the discussion drifted away for a anecdote about a 5D dropped into the ice of a nearby hockey rink while rigging roof mounted cameras - PJ shooters never tire in telling such stories 

Ok, this was a small group of photographers, and I am aware there are other audiences for a D4 then people like these, but ... I am not all that convinced a 24 MP D4 really would be such a 1D X killer - at least for that particular reason. Other things seem to weigh heavier on press photograpers minds: One of the features of the 1D X which received most attention during our chat - and this I have heard from more working photographers - is the Ethernet socket. That is a feature which seem to capture the interest of PJ photogs a lot more then higher MP count. (It sure captures my interest!)

The other big issue discussed was if Canon finally would include the in-camera image editing Nikon has had for a while, and how this functionality could be improved. Many people send images straight from the camera these days. Again, it is so much about workflow, that truly is the big issue in this world. One recurring subject among pro sports or PJ shooters is the frustration - and there is a lot of it - about the clunky WIFI solutions - this summer I heard one Mark III shooter exclaim in pain and frustration that he did not care one bit (ok, he used other, non-Dpreview-compatible words ...) about a new camera, just give him a smoother, more reliable and more useful WIFI setup ...

I have no problem seeing a 36 MP D800. I was sceptical of that rumour at first, but after thinking it through, it started to make a lot of sense to me. But as for MP count in a D4 - I for one really do not want it to be a 24 MP camera. Possibly 18. Actually rather 16. And quite frankly I would be very happy with 12. And this from workflow alone! It is not about noise, I have no doubt a 24 Mp camera could be as good or somewhat better then a D3s, but I really, really, want a fast workflow. The main stress of todays sport and press photographers is not image quality constraints, it is workflow constraints, or simpler put: stress connected with delivering images fast enough.

Things like in camera editing, camera connectivety weighs heavy on many photographers minds. Imgage quality in general is of course important, but most often even there from a workflow point of view - one recurring opinion about the D3s I have heard is applauds of its "workable" files. Many love it because you can get so much IQ out of those files with so little post processing effort - resulting in a fast workflow."
 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 1DX price huge drop in future?

« on: November 28, 2011, 09:05:06 AM »

I agree too. These cameras will belong to a different category. However, if these cameras materialize they will be a challenge to CANON's 5DmkII successor. CANON will have to make also 2 versions as potential buyers are already split between many megapixels (a cheaper version of the non-existent 1DsIV) and less megapixels with less noise (a cheaper 1Dx). So if this rumor comes true, I believe that we CANON users will see some benefit too...

@tron: a 3D  or whatever it will be

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 1DX price huge drop in future?

« on: November 28, 2011, 09:02:14 AM »

These don't compete with the 1DX. Unless the D3 successor comes up with the goods for less money - I very much doubt there will be a price drop.

Agree 100%.

Cheapest will be around $6800.

and there the price remains for quite a while. over here an 1Ds3 did not lose very much pricetag wise. As an amateur, 1Dx is definitely not my league, even though I'd wish to have a cam with these specs for ultra lowlight. But I hope the 5D3 will hold to its excellent low light qualities at a lower pricetag. Ready to go FF again...currently shooting a 30D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 1DX price huge drop in future?

« on: November 28, 2011, 08:57:39 AM »

glad you found that one too. Here's my attempt from yesterday night. for completeness sake 
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php/topic,2241.0.html
Cheers

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EOS Bodies / Re: Form TheNewCamera: D800 18 MP rumor/D900 36 MP Likely?

« on: November 28, 2011, 08:56:43 AM »

  well, then Canon will hardly stay at 24-28 MP. Too bad.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Narrowing the choices for my next EOS body

« on: November 28, 2011, 08:31:26 AM »

@GeorgeMaciver: go ahead and do so. I would finally like to see "Nessie" taken at 51.200 and "tack sharp" as being posted here for the first time ever ! Happy saving. There is joy in the waiting. Cheers, Pedro