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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D3 for sports/action?
« on: August 14, 2012, 04:25:16 AM »
While shooting the 30D center point only at quite low light and ISO 1600 and 3200 I am really looking forward now to shoot the same events even at the same ISOs or higher if necessary! It is backstage scenes I mostly do. A Brass Band getting ready for their performance or other scenes.
Pedro,
Is this the type of shot you're talking about?


ISO 6400
f/2.8
1/500
200mm
@swampler: yes, that's quite like that. Encouraging! Thx for sharing. Cheers.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D3 for sports/action?
« on: August 13, 2012, 06:46:27 PM »
For action shooting look to a pre-owned 1 Series. I have a 5D3 and when I first got it, out of curiosity I ran it as a second body at a track & field athletics job. It's IQ and AF were 100% up to the job but the slow frame rate and small buffer reveal the 5D3's strengths & weaknesses. In short, it's not an action shooting camera.

-PW
I own a sports photography company and have used the 1dm3 since it came out in 2007. It performs excellently and for sure the 1dm4 is top of the line. However, given that i got the 5dm3 for my wedding photography company I decided to test it out. I shoot marathons and triathlons and a triathlon has 3 dif types of sports. The most challenging by far being the bike portion since they move very quickly and you need to focus and recompose at an absurd rate of speed. When i tested the 5dm3 early this year I found it was almost every other oof. While i was pleased with the in-focus ones it wasn't enough so given the multiple AF modes i decided to test them out, which is risky when you are doing it with your business...I recently shot a triathlon and with the bike portion instead of shooting single point like i have found is the best for most scenarios and being sports it is your main focus point position, i shot 8 focus point cluster first and found the cluster was the right size but it didn't work well enough so i shot 4pt. I found 4pt expansion to work very well for the bike portion! Using case 3 in the af menu I also set the accel/decel to zero so it wasn't hyper sensitive because the af could become to twitchy changing from the subject i am trying to track. Other than that the Case 1 works for run and swim exit portion fine however i may try a whole Tri with the Case 3 settings. Yes i know it makes sense that the bike case would work best for it since it has the bike icon but i figured Case 1 would be enough. Turns out case 3 jacks up the focus speed quite a bit not making it the slower cousin to the 1dx so much anymore.
I havent even shot an event with my 1dm3 other than for other companies sports events i love the 5d3 that much! Post processing on the 5dm3 is nill. It renders color so well and accurate compared to my 1dm3 which is pretty good too but no where close to the 5dm3. I continue to experiment and if i am not satisfied with the results i am more and more convinced it is because i havent learned how to use the system to its potential.
I so want another 5dm3! Considering selling my 5d, 1dm3 and 24-70L...
Hi, this is great news to me. I was at a local camera shop today and held a 5D3 for the first time...Later this year the shop will provide me a body to rent for a weekend to test it out at my low light event type photography...I am an amateur hardly commercializing my material...But I like the real low light situations for b/w. So I will test it to get accquainted with it and then a few days after I will purchase the body. The renting fee will be discounted from the price. While shooting the 30D center point only at quite low light and ISO 1600 and 3200 I am really looking forward now to shoot the same events even at the same ISOs or higher if necessary! It is backstage scenes I mostly do. A Brass Band getting ready for their performance or other scenes. So thanks a lot for your input on AF and your excitement about my new camera I soon will purchase. I have 70-200 2.8 L, a 85 1.8, a 50 1.4 and a cheapo 28 2.8. As someone once guessed, that 5D3s ISO 3200 is about 30Ds ISO 800 it's gonna be a significant change leading to new low light opportunities. Cheers, Pedro

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Landscape / Re: Perseid Meteor Shower. Share your photos.
« on: August 13, 2012, 02:42:42 AM »
Great picture under adventerous conditions! At which ISOs do you shoot nightsky regularly? While shooting with my 30D yesterday night at Iso 800 I just made up my mind to go definitely for a 5D3. Moonless or small crescent moon nightsky shots don't produce very usable material at these Isos. Especially if you aim for the Milky Way. As I really like to take these pictures, I kinda feel the limits gearwise. Which are the highest ISO you shoot at? 3200, 6400 or higher? Thanks for any hints. Cheers, Peter

Thanks, Pedro, Victor and Brett!

This was really the first time I had attempted to do "frozen" stars with my 5D3.  I've done them on my 7D with an f/2.8 Tokina lens at lower ISOs with some decent results.  But the fastest lens I have for my 5D3 is my 17-40 f/4L.  Being limited to f4 on the widest end, I really had to push the ISO up to 6400 with a 30 second exposure.  30 seconds is about as long as you can go at 17mm before you start seeing star movement.  Even on this image, at original size, you can see the stars slightly blurred from the earth's rotation.  Even with this reduced size version, you can still see some movement blur on the stars in the far right of the frame.

So to answer your question, the ISO 6400 leaves a little to be desired from a noise/potential-print standpoint, although it's workable with heavy NR in post.  If I were to do this again I'd rent an f/2.8 lens, so I could drop a few stops in ISO and get a cleaner result.

On a side note, I started doing astrophotography on my 40D.  As long as you stay below ISO 400, and don't mind star trails, you'll get results plenty clean enough for printing from your 30D!

@justsomedude: Thank you for answering. You are right, I really get fine results on my 30D below ISO 400 shooting star trails. At full moon the same ISOs work for frozen stars as well. Going 5D3 I will use my 28 / 2.8 then until I have a WA zoom lens. Althoug the field of view will remain a bit narrowed due to the optics. Maybe ISO 3200 is a workable ISO. Combined with the 2.8 I get the extra stop in comparison to the 3.5 crop lens. Hoping for clear nights in late fall to check that out. Milky Way is always at "its best" then. Cheers and thanks again.

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Landscape / Re: Perseid Meteor Shower. Share your photos.
« on: August 12, 2012, 03:55:05 PM »
Here's my image and my story....

When I heard about the Perseid meteor shower I decided early on that I wanted to try and shoot it from the summit of Mount Evans in Arapaho National Forest.  I mainly do long exposure star trails, but I thought I'd try some shorter-exposure high-ISO work with the 5D3 to get "frozen" stars with a meteor streak in the the shot.  That requires a lot of luck, I know, but I set out none the less with this goal in mind. 

I spent most of yesterday getting my gear ready, charging batteries, testing speedlights, getting the color gels laid out that I would use, etc.  I even got my cold weather gear out since I knew the summit would be chilly.

The clear sky charts were questionable, but a clearing was indicated between 1am - 4am, so I thought I'd go for it.  I set out early, around 9:30pm, and I'm glad I did.  The base of Mount Evans is about an hour from Denver, and then there's the summit road to drive.  I forgot how dicey that summit road is, and in the middle of the night, the sheer drop-offs make for quite a white knuckle drive.  I think the 14-mile summit access road took me an hour alone.

When I got to the top, I immediately started setting up my gear and taking some shots.  The sky was clear, and I didn't want to waste it.  Good thing too - because within about 40 minutes heavy clouds rolled in and the rest of the night was a bust.  The shot below is my favorite of about only 12 photos I took last night.  This is by far the fewest number of photos I've ever taken given the amount of preparation and driving I did. 

Even with only one good photo to show for my efforts, it was well worth it....



Great picture under adventerous conditions! At which ISOs do you shoot nightsky regularly? While shooting with my 30D yesterday night at Iso 800 I just made up my mind to go definitely for a 5D3. Moonless or small crescent moon nightsky shots don't produce very usable material at these Isos. Especially if you aim for the Milky Way. As I really like to take these pictures, I kinda feel the limits gearwise. Which are the highest ISO you shoot at? 3200, 6400 or higher? Thanks for any hints. Cheers, Peter

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After Perseides Shower yesterday night I definitely decided to go 5D3 within the next weeks. I applied 600 rule with my current 30D and a Canon 10-22, which yields exposure values between 25 to 30 seconds. Shot at ISO 800 as highest. Small crescent moon. What is your highest ISO setting while taking nightsky photographs of e.g. Milky Way? ISO 3200 or even higher? Thanks for any help!
Cheers, Peter.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 02:11:55 PM »
Anyone who is concerned about autofocus performance should read this article by Roger Cicala:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/08/autofocus-reality-part-3b-canon-cameras

It tells us why the autofocus performance of the 5D III and the 1DX are so superior to previous models.   It's not just more cross-type sensors.  Briefly, Canon has finally gone to a true closed loop system.  Previous autofocus systems are now obsolete for serious work, in my opinion, and it's about time!  I am so sick of messing around with inaccurate and unpredictable autofocus.  Having to send lenses and bodies in for focus calibration all the time is ridiculous.

Who knows which system the rumored 6D will get?  I know I will wait to find out before I make my next FF purchase.  I don't need many of the features the 5D III offers, but I must have that autofocus system!  LOL

Would be nice to add 5Diii AF to it. Doubt it, though. So: 5D3 then...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:36:04 AM »
+1 Ready to go 5D3. But no rush here as well. Chinese page sounds promising... 8) 7D-similarities would match with earlier rumors...

5D Mk III is too expensive for me (I can buy it but cant justify that cost). I guess we will see some info surface soon. My bet is body simmilar to 7D (metring, build, AF) with 22 or 18 mpx sensor.

Costwise in the same boat. I hardly commercialize my photography. What would be the max in shutter actuations? 100k? Hope they'd give it a 150k, especially if the price tag could be slightly higher as expected, according to Canon's pricing policy  these last months...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:21:35 AM »
What do you think of something like this ? Ive found it on web.

IF it's a fake, I guess it's a very good one  8) Time will tell. But a 2.5k USD cam won't be a plastic body. 18 MP, iso 51k. But according to your gear list...did you "visualize" your dream? LOL...Cheers, Pedro.

I dunno if its fake. Ive just found it on some chinese page and tried to run it through Image Forensics - looks real but, sure, could be fake. And according to this pic, it looks 7D-like.

Yes, I want to upgrade to FF, but I can wait - no rush here  ;)
+1 Ready to go 5D3. But no rush here as well. Chinese page sounds promising... 8) 7D-similarities would match with earlier rumors...from NL:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_6d.html
"Design closer to 7D than 5D3 (smaller and with flash)
7D style AF system (19 pt) and VF LCD
7D metering
Single Digic 5+
3.9 fps
3 inch LCD
51200 max ISO
sub - $2000 price point at introduction"


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:08:59 AM »
What do you think of something like this ? Ive found it on web.

IF it's a fake, I guess it's a very good one  8) Time will tell. But according to your gear list...did you "visualize" your dream? LOL...

@nicku: "So they will come with a cheaper (in my opinion only 1k cheaper FF or APS-H DSLR)."
Only my two cents: a 2.5k USD cam will unlikely be a plastic body then. 18/22 MP, iso 51k. AF same as 5D3 (?) or slightly lesser...Well, I don't know too much about tech. No trolling intended.

Cheers, Pedro.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 09, 2012, 10:35:25 AM »
Something similar to the 5D MKII with better AF would be more than enough for most just a slight upgrade would make the camera much more useful!

The 1DX 18mp sensor (keeps the MP lower than the 5D MKIII, 7D body and sealing, 7D 19af autofocus system so not to compete with the 5D MKIII and 4.5fps to be useful but not compete with the 5D MKIII think that would be a great start point.

Possibly a touch screen? Similar to the 650D that you can turn on and off to suit both types of people. Must be high res too. Similar video to 5D MKIII.

The 1DX sensor and 51k native ISO (without extensions) plus "7D body and sealing, 7D 19af autofocus system".  How about that at 2k USD?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 09, 2012, 10:21:42 AM »
A cheap full frame body?

Careful Canon, be real careful.

Not knowing the intention of your comment, I hope they do so. DSLRs were FF when I entered photography some 30 years back. There were moderately priced bodies and higher priced bodies. So, if they get back to more affordable FF bodies after all this time, I appreciate that. The chance with that will be: 6D, 5D, (a gap for some other type), 1D. It will cover everyone's needs. Along with 60D and 7D- type cams it's gonna be a blast.
I am really happy, when these rumors really materialize although I am opting for a 5Diii, due to its character as an allround tool.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1D X ISO Shots
« on: July 31, 2012, 08:03:49 AM »
There are quite a number of other differences between the 1DX and the 5DIII, but none of them are any more significant to real-world shooting than the noise difference we see here.

Depends on your definition - if you're talking only IQ, fine.  But...better sealing and 250K more shutter actuations seem like they benefit real world shooting, not to mention the improved metering.

The 5DIII already has plenty of sealing, more than enough for most camera owners. Not many people will find themselves in situations where the 1DX is adequately sealed but the 5DIII isn't. Some, but not many.

And not many people will wear out a 5DIII shutter. Those few who will are going to be CPS members and aren't going to notice the $250 or whatever fee to repair the camera plus the day or two it takes to get a loaner while the one is in for repair. They're not going to notice, of course, because it's one of many backup cameras they already have for exactly that sort of contingency.

If the metering on the 5DIII were problematic, you'd have a point...but, again, the 1DX is better while the 5DIII is just fine.

Just to reiterate: I'm not trying to claim that there's no difference between the 5DIII and the 1DX. Quite the contrary. My point is that, except for the fact that the 1DX is an unbelievable speed demon monster and the 5DIII is merely not pokey, the differences are fairly minor, especially in the real world.

And, to continue the theme: most people don't need an unbelievable speed demon monster and so don't need to spend the significantly extra money on the 1DX. That's especially since, in the film days, the 5DIII's 6 FPS would have been considered reasonably fast, and even (barely) adequate for pro sports. But you'd probably lose your job if you tried to cover the Olympics for SI with a 5DIII instead of a 1DX, and rightly so, and those're exactly the sorts of people who should be snapping up the 1DX as fast as their credit cards clear the bank.

Cheers,

b&

Good thread so far. I like these real world comparisons of yours. The "real difference" between an 1Dx and a 5D3 imo is this: The 1Dx is the extreme photopress workhorse. While the other cam is the top allrounder body. That's why I go for one, and because an 1Dx is way too much money for me. But I am sure I'll have plenty of camera for a long time. Shooting a 30D the last five years...counting a little more than 40k exposures...Purchasing the cam at my 48 years, the 5D3 will do for quite some time, concerning an amount of 8k exposures per year ;-) And it will allow me to do all these low light shots at almost no light. First I'll do is to try out my 50 f/1.4. Hope retail price over here in Switzerland comes down a bit once the christmas carousel gets started...

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Lovin' my 5d Mark III
« on: July 23, 2012, 03:34:30 PM »
Well, i just got my 3,099$ mk3 from evil bay. Shot some High ISo B&W's to see the cameras limits and was just blown away. Usable 51,200 ISO compared to 6400 on the 7D! Just shocked.  :o

Good enough for a 4x6 print and thats fine for ISO 51,200!

Got the bucks to buy it, saving up for a nice WA and waiting for the price to come down a bit...;-) Currently shooting a 30D. Was at a castle last week. Tickling out the best of the H setting ISO 3200 with a slow 10-22 at f 4... What a great result at these ISOs! I like the rawness in it and I like Robert Frank "The Americans"-style of your photograph. Definitely my cam. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Pedro

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Review
« on: June 28, 2012, 06:57:49 AM »
Great review and highly appreciated comparison with the 5D3 high ISOs. As I the 1Dx is way out of my economic reach, as an enthusiast amateur photographer I will have plenty of camera with the 5D3 covering any type of photography I am aimed at. I really consider it as kind of a mini 1Dx at almost half of the price. Made the day for me, though. Suirely will go for a 5D3 within a year or so. Saving up for a nice WA. Cheers, Pedro

There's another aspect to the sensor performance in the 1DX and that is if the improved picture quality isn't due to just a better JPEG noise elimination algorithm then that quite clearly Canon can deliver a better sensor than what is in the 5D Mark III.

One guy with Canon connections said months ago that we'd soon enough realize that Canon held back their new sensor tech for the 1DX so they could re-use the old lines once more to raise margin on the 5D3 since they felt that all the body upgrades were enough this time to not force their hand at the 100% new sensor tech.

If that's true then Canon will be making a killing on the 5D Mark III's current price.

Well. then this says a lot about the 5D2 users who stay on hold by now. Well, uh maybe I'll wait it out then as well...as long as my 30D is nicely clicking...Pricetag is unlikely to come down...and three to four years from now...they cannot rely on the same sensor tech. If that is true, Canon could have kept the 5D3 at 3k...but somehow they gotta get their R&D investement back for the 1Dx ... :-\
P.S.: Just wonder what sensor tech will be included in the rumored high MP count body!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Review
« on: June 27, 2012, 12:56:04 PM »
Knowing not so much about sensor tech improvements, maybe one can't have it all in body almost half the price of the other. Or did former 1D sensors automatically trickle down into the 5D units? Some of you sure know how that was managed before. Anyway, upgrading from a 30D this will be a huge improvement for me. But I can understand former 5Dii users who have hoped for more...Cheers, Pedro

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