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After Perseides Shower yesterday night I definitely decided to go 5D3 within the next weeks. I applied 600 rule with my current 30D and a Canon 10-22, which yields exposure values between 25 to 30 seconds. Shot at ISO 800 as highest. Small crescent moon. What is your highest ISO setting while taking nightsky photographs of e.g. Milky Way? ISO 3200 or even higher? Thanks for any help!
Cheers, Peter.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 02:11:55 PM »
Anyone who is concerned about autofocus performance should read this article by Roger Cicala:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/08/autofocus-reality-part-3b-canon-cameras

It tells us why the autofocus performance of the 5D III and the 1DX are so superior to previous models.   It's not just more cross-type sensors.  Briefly, Canon has finally gone to a true closed loop system.  Previous autofocus systems are now obsolete for serious work, in my opinion, and it's about time!  I am so sick of messing around with inaccurate and unpredictable autofocus.  Having to send lenses and bodies in for focus calibration all the time is ridiculous.

Who knows which system the rumored 6D will get?  I know I will wait to find out before I make my next FF purchase.  I don't need many of the features the 5D III offers, but I must have that autofocus system!  LOL

Would be nice to add 5Diii AF to it. Doubt it, though. So: 5D3 then...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:36:04 AM »
+1 Ready to go 5D3. But no rush here as well. Chinese page sounds promising... 8) 7D-similarities would match with earlier rumors...

5D Mk III is too expensive for me (I can buy it but cant justify that cost). I guess we will see some info surface soon. My bet is body simmilar to 7D (metring, build, AF) with 22 or 18 mpx sensor.

Costwise in the same boat. I hardly commercialize my photography. What would be the max in shutter actuations? 100k? Hope they'd give it a 150k, especially if the price tag could be slightly higher as expected, according to Canon's pricing policy  these last months...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:21:35 AM »
What do you think of something like this ? Ive found it on web.

IF it's a fake, I guess it's a very good one  8) Time will tell. But a 2.5k USD cam won't be a plastic body. 18 MP, iso 51k. But according to your gear list...did you "visualize" your dream? LOL...Cheers, Pedro.

I dunno if its fake. Ive just found it on some chinese page and tried to run it through Image Forensics - looks real but, sure, could be fake. And according to this pic, it looks 7D-like.

Yes, I want to upgrade to FF, but I can wait - no rush here  ;)
+1 Ready to go 5D3. But no rush here as well. Chinese page sounds promising... 8) 7D-similarities would match with earlier rumors...from NL:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_6d.html
"Design closer to 7D than 5D3 (smaller and with flash)
7D style AF system (19 pt) and VF LCD
7D metering
Single Digic 5+
3.9 fps
3 inch LCD
51200 max ISO
sub - $2000 price point at introduction"


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 10, 2012, 08:08:59 AM »
What do you think of something like this ? Ive found it on web.

IF it's a fake, I guess it's a very good one  8) Time will tell. But according to your gear list...did you "visualize" your dream? LOL...

@nicku: "So they will come with a cheaper (in my opinion only 1k cheaper FF or APS-H DSLR)."
Only my two cents: a 2.5k USD cam will unlikely be a plastic body then. 18/22 MP, iso 51k. AF same as 5D3 (?) or slightly lesser...Well, I don't know too much about tech. No trolling intended.

Cheers, Pedro.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 09, 2012, 10:35:25 AM »
Something similar to the 5D MKII with better AF would be more than enough for most just a slight upgrade would make the camera much more useful!

The 1DX 18mp sensor (keeps the MP lower than the 5D MKIII, 7D body and sealing, 7D 19af autofocus system so not to compete with the 5D MKIII and 4.5fps to be useful but not compete with the 5D MKIII think that would be a great start point.

Possibly a touch screen? Similar to the 650D that you can turn on and off to suit both types of people. Must be high res too. Similar video to 5D MKIII.

The 1DX sensor and 51k native ISO (without extensions) plus "7D body and sealing, 7D 19af autofocus system".  How about that at 2k USD?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 09, 2012, 10:21:42 AM »
A cheap full frame body?

Careful Canon, be real careful.

Not knowing the intention of your comment, I hope they do so. DSLRs were FF when I entered photography some 30 years back. There were moderately priced bodies and higher priced bodies. So, if they get back to more affordable FF bodies after all this time, I appreciate that. The chance with that will be: 6D, 5D, (a gap for some other type), 1D. It will cover everyone's needs. Along with 60D and 7D- type cams it's gonna be a blast.
I am really happy, when these rumors really materialize although I am opting for a 5Diii, due to its character as an allround tool.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1D X ISO Shots
« on: July 31, 2012, 08:03:49 AM »
There are quite a number of other differences between the 1DX and the 5DIII, but none of them are any more significant to real-world shooting than the noise difference we see here.

Depends on your definition - if you're talking only IQ, fine.  But...better sealing and 250K more shutter actuations seem like they benefit real world shooting, not to mention the improved metering.

The 5DIII already has plenty of sealing, more than enough for most camera owners. Not many people will find themselves in situations where the 1DX is adequately sealed but the 5DIII isn't. Some, but not many.

And not many people will wear out a 5DIII shutter. Those few who will are going to be CPS members and aren't going to notice the $250 or whatever fee to repair the camera plus the day or two it takes to get a loaner while the one is in for repair. They're not going to notice, of course, because it's one of many backup cameras they already have for exactly that sort of contingency.

If the metering on the 5DIII were problematic, you'd have a point...but, again, the 1DX is better while the 5DIII is just fine.

Just to reiterate: I'm not trying to claim that there's no difference between the 5DIII and the 1DX. Quite the contrary. My point is that, except for the fact that the 1DX is an unbelievable speed demon monster and the 5DIII is merely not pokey, the differences are fairly minor, especially in the real world.

And, to continue the theme: most people don't need an unbelievable speed demon monster and so don't need to spend the significantly extra money on the 1DX. That's especially since, in the film days, the 5DIII's 6 FPS would have been considered reasonably fast, and even (barely) adequate for pro sports. But you'd probably lose your job if you tried to cover the Olympics for SI with a 5DIII instead of a 1DX, and rightly so, and those're exactly the sorts of people who should be snapping up the 1DX as fast as their credit cards clear the bank.

Cheers,

b&

Good thread so far. I like these real world comparisons of yours. The "real difference" between an 1Dx and a 5D3 imo is this: The 1Dx is the extreme photopress workhorse. While the other cam is the top allrounder body. That's why I go for one, and because an 1Dx is way too much money for me. But I am sure I'll have plenty of camera for a long time. Shooting a 30D the last five years...counting a little more than 40k exposures...Purchasing the cam at my 48 years, the 5D3 will do for quite some time, concerning an amount of 8k exposures per year ;-) And it will allow me to do all these low light shots at almost no light. First I'll do is to try out my 50 f/1.4. Hope retail price over here in Switzerland comes down a bit once the christmas carousel gets started...

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Lovin' my 5d Mark III
« on: July 23, 2012, 03:34:30 PM »
Well, i just got my 3,099$ mk3 from evil bay. Shot some High ISo B&W's to see the cameras limits and was just blown away. Usable 51,200 ISO compared to 6400 on the 7D! Just shocked.  :o

Good enough for a 4x6 print and thats fine for ISO 51,200!

Got the bucks to buy it, saving up for a nice WA and waiting for the price to come down a bit...;-) Currently shooting a 30D. Was at a castle last week. Tickling out the best of the H setting ISO 3200 with a slow 10-22 at f 4... What a great result at these ISOs! I like the rawness in it and I like Robert Frank "The Americans"-style of your photograph. Definitely my cam. Thanks for sharing. Cheers, Pedro

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Review
« on: June 28, 2012, 06:57:49 AM »
Great review and highly appreciated comparison with the 5D3 high ISOs. As I the 1Dx is way out of my economic reach, as an enthusiast amateur photographer I will have plenty of camera with the 5D3 covering any type of photography I am aimed at. I really consider it as kind of a mini 1Dx at almost half of the price. Made the day for me, though. Suirely will go for a 5D3 within a year or so. Saving up for a nice WA. Cheers, Pedro

There's another aspect to the sensor performance in the 1DX and that is if the improved picture quality isn't due to just a better JPEG noise elimination algorithm then that quite clearly Canon can deliver a better sensor than what is in the 5D Mark III.

One guy with Canon connections said months ago that we'd soon enough realize that Canon held back their new sensor tech for the 1DX so they could re-use the old lines once more to raise margin on the 5D3 since they felt that all the body upgrades were enough this time to not force their hand at the 100% new sensor tech.

If that's true then Canon will be making a killing on the 5D Mark III's current price.

Well. then this says a lot about the 5D2 users who stay on hold by now. Well, uh maybe I'll wait it out then as well...as long as my 30D is nicely clicking...Pricetag is unlikely to come down...and three to four years from now...they cannot rely on the same sensor tech. If that is true, Canon could have kept the 5D3 at 3k...but somehow they gotta get their R&D investement back for the 1Dx ... :-\
P.S.: Just wonder what sensor tech will be included in the rumored high MP count body!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Review
« on: June 27, 2012, 12:56:04 PM »
Knowing not so much about sensor tech improvements, maybe one can't have it all in body almost half the price of the other. Or did former 1D sensors automatically trickle down into the 5D units? Some of you sure know how that was managed before. Anyway, upgrading from a 30D this will be a huge improvement for me. But I can understand former 5Dii users who have hoped for more...Cheers, Pedro

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Review
« on: June 27, 2012, 09:53:22 AM »
And he's saying 1 stop improvement in noise for higher ISO. If that's true for raw and not just JPEG then that's quite significant as that advantage.
Well, just looking at those flower photos, ISO 12800 on the 1DX looks like ISO800/1600 on any of Canon's APS-C cameras (60D, 7D, etc), which is kind of crazy. Like he mentions, its very useable to 12,800, the 25,600 would probably be where I'd set my Max ISO setting, but you could even use the 51,200 and de-noise and probably be fine. It's kind of crazy how well it handles low light.

I agree about the new sensor design, I don't think an slight MP drop is enough to account for that

Great review and highly appreciated comparison with the 5D3 high ISOs. As I the 1Dx is way out of my economic reach, as an enthusiast amateur photographer I will have plenty of camera with the 5D3 covering any type of photography I am aimed at. I really consider it as kind of a mini 1Dx at almost half of the price. Made the day for me, though. Suirely will go for a 5D3 within a year or so. Saving up for a nice WA. Cheers, Pedro

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 1D X - ISO test + RAW files
« on: June 27, 2012, 05:00:39 AM »
I would like to see an ISO 51200 real world comparison to the 5D3: same location, same lens, same exposure value...

I would like to see it as well ;) Maybe in near future I can agree some cooperation with Canon, who knows, ..
Only people can help me get there :)

Go for it, Canon5Dtips. You're the person to do so. Get it rented for a weekend and stroll down Broadway, Beale Street or whatever. I'll stay tuned! Well, if ISO 12800 on the 1Dx according to V8Beast is like ISO 6400 on the 5D3 that makes one stop which is needed for a PJ workhorse. So my decision to go for the 5D3 within one year or so (saving up for a nice WA and expecting a slight price drop) seems to be quite a good thing. I couldn't afford a 1Dx anyway. But as an enthusiast photo amateur the 5D3 at almost half of the price will help me to do anything I am into photographywise: avialable light and low light high iso photography-"robert frank style" (people, street, inhouse scenes), nightphotography, some landscape. Cheers and thanks, Pedro.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 1D X - ISO test + RAW files
« on: June 26, 2012, 03:20:25 PM »
In this case, if 1DX@51200 = 7D@3200 then DxO tells me the 1DX should be 1 to 2 stops better at high ISO (using the SNR graphs) than the D4/D800E. Now if that holds true and is present right up/down the curve, then the 1DX represents not only a new sensor but newer sensor technology than is in the 5D3.

I would like to see an ISO 51200 real world comparison to the 5D3: same location, same lens, same exposure value...

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EOS Bodies / From NL: 3D rumored TBA by spring 2013
« on: June 23, 2012, 03:44:14 AM »
Just stumbled upon it...Cheers, Pedro
Keith Cooper writes:
"22nd An interesting comment (thanks) that says that the new higher MP camera will appear a year or so after the 5D3, so next spring is suggested for the launch. The emphasis was on a 'studio' camera to recapture ground from the D800, and that Canon were acknowledging that the 1D X was not it.
Just what defines a studio camera wasn't clear. I also asked if this meant a 'real' 1Ds3 replacement, but was told that if I wanted a 1 series body, then the 1D X was it... not unexpected, but I was perhaps still holding out a glimmer of hope :-)"
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_3d.html

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