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Lenses / Re: Just got my 135L!
« on: July 09, 2013, 11:04:32 AM »
Why not put another $100ish and get new lens....I just don't get it :-\

Actually about $250 if you check the official retail prices. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/112539-USA/Canon_2520A004_Telephoto_EF_135mm_f_2_0L.html

On top of this, with the refurbished warranty now matching the regular MFR's warranty (1 year) there's almost no real reason to "just" spend the extra $100/$250/whatever it is that the cost is.  You're basically paying for a retail box, and a camera that is just as likely (okay, technically it's actually slightly more likely) to have issues than a refurbished camera. 

*The reason why I believe a new camera is more likely to have issues than a refurbished camera is that a refurbished camera has already been given the factory once-over, and either was returned and refurbished to new for some reason, or didn't finish the original manufacturing process and had to be pulled from the line and adjusted/fixed before being considered finished.  Thus, things get QC checked twice, compared to the once that normal retail gets.

Let get one thing straight, REBURB item DO NOT get treat special as many of you think.

Refurb. is defective item. PERIOD. NOT opened box or returned to customer changed mind.

Refurb. could be a simple broken cold solder joint in elec. circuit boards after 1-2yrs of use. Worst - broken parts that repaired with parts came from 3rd party vendors or contract manufacture(CM). NOT original parts that call out from Canon BILL OF MATERIAL(BOM)

Rather than getting sent through a QA process, they are fixed and hand tested to meet or exceed the quality of those which are sold as new. Canon has far too good of a reputation riding on their refurbished line to put 3rd party parts in their lenses. Further, I have dismantled the lenses I've purchased refurbished from them and the look as brand new on the inside as they do on the outside.

If you have not purchased a lens through their refurb program, you have no grounds to speak on for this debate. Please do refrain from getting up on a soapbox and stating your opinion as though it were fact, for it makes you look ignorant.


With 15yrs in mannufacturing, controlling CMs over sea...this method is currently been use in BIG companies. I should had said in my statement about 3rd party vendors, this is elec. 3 party vendor components. (capacitor, resistor, IC chip, SMT parts etc...)

I'll give you a hint: time = $. Putting more time to repair defective parts and sell for less is not how business operates. Today, big companies don't even try to trouble shoot in components level anymore. They replace PCB, WP levels.

Without knowledge in today manufacturing: "LEAN MANAFACTURING" & "SUPPLY CHAIN", your comments could make you look ignorant.

You mentioned, "I have dismantled the lenses I've purchased refurbished from them and the look as brand new on the inside as they do on the outside" ==> Unless you can indentify the original elec. components that were called out from Canon Bill of Material in MFG.

THE TRUE HURT, therefore,  people don't like to hear it ;)

It sure helps to be an electrical engineer chip designer in this situation where I can compare the components on the boards of the refurbished lenses to that of my new lenses...

You may know manufacturing tech (even though it obviously seems like you clearly do not), but this is not a debate on the widely accepted practice of refurbishing products. Unlike other companies, Canon does not do what you claim them to be doing. Making hasty generalizations about a specific company (Canon) which you have no experience with kinda makes you look ignorant.

Really, if you want to prove your right, pull apart the lenses and show the internal chip components are different. Plain and simple

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Lenses / Re: Just got my 135L!
« on: July 08, 2013, 10:47:10 PM »
Why not put another $100ish and get new lens....I just don't get it :-\

Actually about $250 if you check the official retail prices. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/112539-USA/Canon_2520A004_Telephoto_EF_135mm_f_2_0L.html

On top of this, with the refurbished warranty now matching the regular MFR's warranty (1 year) there's almost no real reason to "just" spend the extra $100/$250/whatever it is that the cost is.  You're basically paying for a retail box, and a camera that is just as likely (okay, technically it's actually slightly more likely) to have issues than a refurbished camera. 

*The reason why I believe a new camera is more likely to have issues than a refurbished camera is that a refurbished camera has already been given the factory once-over, and either was returned and refurbished to new for some reason, or didn't finish the original manufacturing process and had to be pulled from the line and adjusted/fixed before being considered finished.  Thus, things get QC checked twice, compared to the once that normal retail gets.

Let get one thing straight, REBURB item DO NOT get treat special as many of you think.

Refurb. is defective item. PERIOD. NOT opened box or returned to customer changed mind.

Refurb. could be a simple broken cold solder joint in elec. circuit boards after 1-2yrs of use. Worst - broken parts that repaired with parts came from 3rd party vendors or contract manufacture(CM). NOT original parts that call out from Canon BILL OF MATERIAL(BOM)

Rather than getting sent through a QA process, they are fixed and hand tested to meet or exceed the quality of those which are sold as new. Canon has far too good of a reputation riding on their refurbished line to put 3rd party parts in their lenses. Further, I have dismantled the lenses I've purchased refurbished from them and the look as brand new on the inside as they do on the outside.

If you have not purchased a lens through their refurb program, you have no grounds to speak on for this debate. Please do refrain from getting up on a soapbox and stating your opinion as though it were fact, for it makes you look ignorant. 

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Third Party Lenses (Sigma, Tamron, etc.) / Re: Samyang 14mm f2.8
« on: June 21, 2013, 02:27:41 PM »
Looks like the IQ might exceed that of the Tokina 16-28, which is the only other wide angle lens I'm considering for purchase.  It supposedly has some weird halo, making it unsuitable for night shots.  Any of you compared these two?

I have not, but I also have not seen a zoom lens that can compete with the samyang 14mm (Outperforms the 16-35 ii in IQ...)

As for not being able to shoot at night, I have never had a problem with it. I am not sure if you are talking about the samyang or the tokina having the halo you mentioned.

Anyhow some pictures taken at night for reference:

Untitled by Live By The Night, on Flickr


folsom1-1 by Live By The Night, on Flickr

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Software & Accessories / Re: New Macpro teased at Mac Conference
« on: June 11, 2013, 05:51:39 PM »
As an audio engineer relying on pci-express expansion cards and working on pro tools this new mac pro without any expansion card slots is a pile of crap. :(

I can see lots of studios moving to windows because of this.

form cripples function.

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Thunderbolt/PCIe_Chassis/Mercury_Helios

I know this exists but we are also using raid storage for example and I can't see why i should get a ton of extra cases / expansion chassis instead of checking out the PC world.

You don't have any NAS disk systems running RAID outside of your computers' cases???

That's pretty common these days, rarely do you depend on the disk drives internal to the computer case....at least in my experience with anyone doing serious data storage, redundancy and even backup (mirrored RAID disk systems, tape, etc).

NAS Systems are more for the home user, not for professional use. If this is a professional workstation as it is marketed to be, no one in their right mind would use an external raid array. Too much too loose. Much better off getting a workstation that has advanced raid controllers in order to adequately support a large internal hd array. Anyways, my bet would be the mainboard in this computer wont support past raid 5.

Funny, in my server environments...we have SAN storage...effectively NAS....

Very seldom n the high end systems I work on for my day job, do I rely on servers with internal storage....and I'm talking multi-multi-terrabytes of data. Per server.

I'm quite used to using off server storage, with different RAID levels....different filesystems, etc. I'd say it certainly is professional in level to have your storage external to your CPUs.


Kinda funny when you omit my comment about how this is not applicable to servers and your entire response is about servers...

There is no use arguing apples and oranges. 

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Software & Accessories / Re: New Macpro teased at Mac Conference
« on: June 11, 2013, 03:13:36 PM »
As an audio engineer relying on pci-express expansion cards and working on pro tools this new mac pro without any expansion card slots is a pile of crap. :(

I can see lots of studios moving to windows because of this.

form cripples function.

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Thunderbolt/PCIe_Chassis/Mercury_Helios

I know this exists but we are also using raid storage for example and I can't see why i should get a ton of extra cases / expansion chassis instead of checking out the PC world.

You don't have any NAS disk systems running RAID outside of your computers' cases???

That's pretty common these days, rarely do you depend on the disk drives internal to the computer case....at least in my experience with anyone doing serious data storage, redundancy and even backup (mirrored RAID disk systems, tape, etc).

NAS Systems are more for the home user, not for professional use. If this is a professional workstation as it is marketed to be, no one in their right mind would use an external raid array. Too much too loose. Much better off getting a workstation that has advanced raid controllers in order to adequately support a large internal hd array. Anyways, my bet would be the mainboard in this computer wont support past raid 5.

But then again, anyone serious about doing "serious data storage" uses server racks. Totally different ballpark and not applicable to this thread.

All this computer is is a overpriced cylinder with decent components and NO ability to expand in the future. But hey if you want to throw away $3-4k be my guest. I could build a computer with a Xeon E5-2687W for considerably less than this costs.

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Software & Accessories / Re: New Macpro teased at Mac Conference
« on: June 11, 2013, 11:55:08 AM »
So it is a workstation with the ability to be customized similar to a laptop. Great thinking Apple.... I'll pass

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Software & Accessories / Re: Best budget printer to begin ?
« on: June 05, 2013, 02:38:39 AM »
Costco!!! Best bang for the buck around. Just know the color profiles and how to achieve the best print using there equipment.

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HDR - High Dynamic Range / Re: Post your HDR images:
« on: May 09, 2013, 05:23:26 PM »
well It was not  about the motive, its a bridge against the sun, nothing fancy  . It more  about  that I can dig out information from one raw file from sun into shadows with out banding and noise in the shadows. You need two different exposure to do the same with a Canon, I can do it hand held, you must use a tripod. This file are now saved 4 times as a JPG =not optimal.

Ahh and all hope that this thread wouldn't be hijacked by the dynamic range discussion is gone. Please try not to ruin this thread like you have ruined many others...

If you have hdr pictures to post, this is the place to post them. Take the dr discussion elsewhere.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 07, 2013, 04:55:16 PM »
A swap to this model of using Adope CS6 will cause some problems for big organisations that have to secure their datas .
The head of the IT department in the organisation where I work, is in doubt whether the state bureaus is allowing to open the firewall/safety-solutions to use this cloud based software. It is to risky. They are in fear to get hacked.
And we own really a lot of CS6 licences.

Okay, repeat after me: This is NOT a cloud application. This is Not a cloud application.

From Adobe's website: "And, as always, your applications live on your desktop, not in a browser and not in the cloud."

It is just a confusingly-named marketing scheme.

The problem I have, regardless of whether the software resides in the cloud, on your desktop or on Pandora, is a requirement for an internet connection so that every time you start the application a license check is performed.  That would cause a great deal of heartburn on my part.

It is not going to be that restrictive. The licensing server will either need to be connected to once ever 30 days or every 99 days. I have heard both numbers from adobe representative, so I am not sure which is true. My guess would be 30 days though.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Adobe to Stop Making Packaged Software
« on: May 07, 2013, 03:05:00 AM »
Can't wait to see the stock prices plummet in the morning. Any profit gains in utilizing a cloud based program will be lost due to the loss in share price of the stock.

Also if it can be used on a computer offline for 99 days, I assure you that this will be hacked and a bypass to the licensing server will be out within a couple days of the initial release. Don't underestimate the individuals out there who crack software. The top few hackers that develop these workarounds are light years smarter than anyone working at adobe.

As an individual who purchased cs4 and cs5e, I will too not be a part of cloud based software marketing. I will be awaiting the pirated version, for all loyalty to such a company who shows such disregard to the interest of their customers has been lost.

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Lenses / Re: Best lens for capturing the Milky Way?
« on: April 28, 2013, 09:41:50 PM »
i think you want the samyang 14mm. I have one that i use for the sort of silly stuff you can do with 14mm, and astro shots. I've yet to aim it at the stars because i've been so busy, but i'm pretty pleased with it for the more earthly shots i've taken with it.

I took some shots of a wedding couple last night with it. i had to convince them to step closer, closer, closer still. "i swear, i'm not just taking a photo of your belt buckle!"

I think you're right, I just have two questions, does the lens have a hard stop at infinity and is it sharp enough wide open?

Yepp it does and it sure is performs wonderfully wide open.

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If you dont use the cd/dvd drive too often, I have heard that you can remove it and put a ssd in its place. Because that will be a sata connection, it will be the fastest.

I have a server with windows server 2012 on it, but I wouldn't be caught dead using one of it's disks as a scratch disk. Way too slow. NAS would be even slower.

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Set From Death Valley National Park
« on: April 14, 2013, 11:15:32 PM »
Nice shots, but I have to agree with everyone else... the watermark is atrocious. Anyone with some decent skill in photoshop will be able to remove that in minutes. If you photo gets stolen, who cares? If someone wants to steal it, they are going to steal it.

Plus, dont forget that there is a huge hacking community around the world that would rather hack your computer than bother photo shopping that watermark out. Then they have access to all your files. And same goes for hacking - if someone wants to hack you, they are going to hack you 

Best not upload your photos at all if you are that paranoid. But then whats the point of photography if no one sees your work?


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First was the superior glass canon offers. It was significantly cheaper and better than Nikon when I got into photography. Now canon's recent price strategy is making me stray away from the $1500+ lenses. I am just hoping completion from sigma, tameron and samyang drive down the prices of canon's lenses.

Second was Magic Lantern. It transforms the camera into a whole new machine. All the features and capabilities are what keeps me committed to the canon system

And third is the video capabilities. No need to explain why, since everyone knows the profound effect the 5d ii had on video.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Any astrophotographers out there?
« on: April 10, 2013, 03:10:05 PM »
Rather than quote everyone who responded to this forum, I would like to thank everyone who responded! This was the information I was having a hard time finding on the internet and learned a lot from all of the responses.

Thanks again  :)

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