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Lenses / Re: wide angle lens
« on: September 07, 2011, 07:19:19 PM »
There is only one version that was sold.  After the poor review of the first lens, Samyang pulled back the samples and redesigned it.

I bought the second version, believing the hype.  It was garbage, so I can only imagine how bad the first version would have been if it had been sold.

"After our test the producer decided to withdraw first specimens of that lens from the market and started to redesign it. It was announced that they intended to improve the work against bright light and to increase the quality of images at the frame edge (the resolution was supposed to increase by 15% there). "
It was that bad? You were probably not lucky ad get a bad copy, because mine is razor sharp! Actually it is probably my sharper lens, more than my 70-200F4L IS or 35mm F1.4L ! And there is almost no AC! Optically, it is incredible, excepted the distortions but they are only disturbing when you have very straight lines in the picture (mostly buildings).

PS: did you try to focus in liveview? Because the focus ring is not reliable. I have perfect focus by setting it between 2.5m-3m (excepted for proxy, I never change it). Setting it further would "over"-focus and therefore be completely out of focus.  :P

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EOS Bodies / Re: Why don't Canon update their bodies?
« on: September 05, 2011, 07:20:41 PM »
"Why don't Canon update their bodies?"  One word: massive conspiracy.  The Japanese want us to believe they are recovering form a massive earthquake/tsunami/nuclear disaster, the likes of which the world has never seen.   

But I think they are really just sitting around taking 40-50MP pictures of each other's drinking games with 5DIII, 5D IVs, EOS 1D mark 4-5s, maybe even 7s.  They are shooting birthday photos of their kids with 100+ autofocus sensors, and like 20 frames per second. All the while laughing at us.

They are shooting hilarious 4K 120fps videos of their cats for their own version of you tube that make ours look like a joke.

Do I have evidence of this? Yes! Almost as much evidence as others have that the 5D3 was due out last year.

The United States is country of action.  We must take action as only our generation can.  Perhaps an American company could rally and produce the new products we need?  (That was sarcasm, I was just testing you.)  No, what we need is a massive wave of Blog posts and forum threads that will torment them into sharing their precious new DSLRs. Don't go outside and shoot with the cameras you have.  Thats' just playing into thier hands.
Holly crap! How did you learn all about that?!? Do you understand now that I have to kill you and anybody that was passing through this forum...  ;) :P
The truth is that I think Canon is ready to release new bodies anytime. But they wait for Nikon. Because Nikon was more badly hurt by the earthquake and need more time to recover. Japanese companies are not american companies, they do not use such opportunity to hurt competition, as they found easily an agreement in the way to slow down production this summer to avoid an electric black out in East Japan. :)
Furthermore, if Canon announces today a new body and Nikon presents its new line 6 months later, these one will look like more "modern" and may appear better in costumers' head just because of the later release.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The next body... (my speculations)
« on: September 03, 2011, 12:06:35 AM »
Nothing in life is black and white, there are a whole range of skills and pricing points, to dismiss a 7D as an amateur camera is nothing but elitist rubbish, the same rubbish that convinces bad photographers that a better camera will improve their pictures...   If you have the eye for it, you can take a good photo with a camera phone as has been demonstrated in the photo threads by the chap posting as pinnacle photography, some great pictures taken with a pont and shot.
I totally agree with you on that point! And I would never try to argue that I am taking better pictures than somebody else just because I have a "better" camera. All what I know is that this camera give me the possibility to take some shots that I would not be able to do with lower models. Maybe that's why I am still an amateur.  ;) (off topic: and I think it is even more true about lenses! I love mine for that!!  ;D)

For the sensor things, I would not say that Sony just made a big step forward with their 24MP chips. Remember that APS-C sensors are bigger than Canon ones, so comparatively I have read earlier in another topic that 7D sensor would be 22MP in Sony's size. The gap is not huge, especially with 2 years differences, and I think we all agree about the disappointment in IQ field for the new Sony if all the reported images are close to the final product. So Canon still has a (short) hedge and we can be optimistic about their next sensor(s), whenever they will reveal it/them.  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: The next body... (my speculations)
« on: September 02, 2011, 07:31:04 PM »
The fact is that most 7D buyers are amatures and for many/most of them its features are likely to be prefferable rather than essential.
Let them eat cake !  Where do you get the idea that the 7D is bought mostly by amateurs ?  You need to be pretty serious or wealthy to buy a 7D over a £500 camera.  In my large circle of friends, several have DSLR's, perhaps a couple have invested more than £1500 in body and lenses, another one is pretty keen and has 3 Nikon bodies (1 FF), some expensive £2k lenses, however most have bought entry level kits, plus a second lens.
Yes he is right. Canon 7D sells hundred (thousands?) times more to amateurs than to professionals. Just like 5DmII. Just check the selling figures.  ;)

You assume that a 7DII would come out with the same sensor as the 650D/70D, the 7D debuted 12 months after the 15mpx 50D and 6 months after the 500D, there's nothing stopping canon dropping a 20-22mpx sensor in the 650D in say spring, a 23-25mpx sensor in the 70D in say summer 2012, then drop a 30mpx sensor in the 7DII say in late 2012, then gradually play catch up with the 700D, 750D, 800D, 80D, 90D through 2013-2015 with a view to a 7DIII in 2016 ready for the summer olympics again.

The only people getting hung up on sensors on the 7D would be people who wouldn't be buying one anyways...   Net loss to Canon....   Nil !   Because the people who buy the 7D know that a sensor doesn't make the camera, which is why Nikon still sell 12mpx FF bodies and through 2010 was selling a 14mpx entry level D3100, along with the D5000 & D90 that had a 12mpx sensor, with the high end APS-C D7000 leapfrogging the entry level kit with a 16mpx sensor.
Yes there is something stopping Canon to develop and produce 3 new sensors in the 1st half of 2012: cost!  :P
That's why today we only have 1 APS-C sensor remaining. Designing and producing a new sensor is very expensive. If you reduce the number of sensors, you reduce the production cost, so you can make cheaper cameras that will sell more.
About D3100, it was just announced 2 weeks prior to the D7000, so we cannot say that it was competing with D90. But what we can say is that D5000 sells when down to the floor after D3100 has been release!
So yes, a good entry level body can damage sells of a higher end product.
If Canon announces tomorrow a 25MP 70D with better IQ, higher iso, higher DR, MFA and just the same other characteristics than 60D (viewfinder, burst rate, etc...) for sure 7D will live a hard time.  ;D

PS: me too I am an amateur, I did not earn any yen for my pictures until now, but still I have pretty good equipment.  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Where are the new FF cameras everyone was expecting?
« on: September 02, 2011, 12:43:10 AM »
So Aug 24th Sony announced the A77 with a new 24 MP APS-C sensor. Nikon has not announced a camera yet using the 24 MP Sony sensor. Presumably Nikon will announce a replacement for the D700 that will use the Sony 24 MP sensor. Rumors say the Nikon announcement might come in September, perhaps as early as Sep 8th, but then maybe not. It looks like Nikon is delaying announcing a camera using the Sony 24 MP APS-C sensor so Sony can have a window for the A77.

Now Sony is rumored to have a 32 MP FF sensor in development. When the A77 was announced, Sony said they were still planning to bring out a new FF cameras to replace A850 and A900, but declined to give any time frame and indicated Sony had not yet decided whether the replacements would be DSLRs or use the translucent mirror technology like the A77 (http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/news/2104388/sony-planning-frame-camera). This doesn't sound like Sony will be bringing this camera market for a while.

Will Nikon release a FF camera using the Sony 32 MP sensor before Sony does? Is the reason Sony is not releasing a FF cameras that FF cameras are such a small part of Sony's business it it not important to them and they would be willing to let Nikon go first in the FF market? Or are there still technical problems to be worked out with the new 32 MP FF sensor?

Given that there is a 24 MP APS-C camera from Sony and probably from Nikon shortly, will Canon be thinking of replacing the 7D sooner? Will Canon go ahead and bring out a new FF camera if the Sony and Nikon FF cameras are delayed?
You assume that Nikon is waiting for FF sensors from Sony.
But that is wrong. Nikon does not need Sony, as the D700 sensor was not Sony made but produced by Renesas with Nikon engineering.
So Nikon can announce D700 replacement whenever they want.

I think 24MP APS-C would be a horrible sensor. That is just so much on such a small chip. I hope Canon goes the route of working on the image quality (Noise\ISO) instead of pumping out higher megapixels. They went down on the P&S cameras and the image quality was much better. Am I wrong in thining the Gapless sensor is already pretty tight? Just MHO. As for FF cameras, I think Canon has got some pretty cool features coming soon and I think it will include the Digit V chip set. ....... Might as well dream big! .......

You assume that 24MP will be worse than previous sensors. But still Sony showed last year that an increase in MP is not always leading to bad IQ. We cannot say that their 16MP sensor is bad, it may even be better than Canon sensor. Still, there is 33% more pixels than in the previous sensor (12MP in D90/D300/Kx/etc...)
The first results seemed bad, but more secent results indicated that a better treatment can give acceptable results (sure not yet the quality of 5DII).

So let's wait and things will come by themselves.
 ;)

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I think Canon is forgetting that perception is important in the marketplace, and I can say my current perception is that Nikon makes cameras for photographers, and that Canon "nickel and dimes" their customers.

It does seem that way. And leaving tripod collars out of $1599 variable aperture tele-zooms doesn't make exactly lead one away from that perception either.

Removing MFA from the 60D was a crime too. More nickel and dime BS from the marketing droids.

It was stunning that they didn't even understand basic concepts such as manual audio gain or manual exposure control for video would be desired, that AutoISO makes the most sense used in M mode, that the histogram needs an outline around it so you can see where it ends when shooting outside of a dark lab, etc. I mean a group of hackers have put more thought and accomplished more for video not even having any instructions than Canon has. And then you feel that all of their body releases are not even close to what they have the skills to make while with Nikon you feel they tend to give it their best possible effort. Now maybe Canon has been a bit ahead and have managed to slide by because of that but it does slowly build up a lowering of full respect for the brand name and certainly doesn't lure over as many customers as they might otherwise.
Thanks for your (multi) comments.
Now let me tell you that all your rants make me tired. :-\
You don't like Canon, they are losers? So leave to a brand that understand you better than Canon.
Canon is not making the camera that you want? All Canon camera sucks? What are you still doing here?

The fact and final truth is that only Canon bring you what you need today. That's why you are still using Canon I guess and that's why professional movie makers are sometime using Canon bodies (instead of selecting Panasonic or Sony bodies). You want more, OK, that's fair. But it looks like nobody gives you that much enough because I would not understand that you stick to Canon it that case.

Actual EOS body lines are still camera and they will remain focused on still abilities. Video will never be there major feature. You can only hope than Canon release a 3D or whatever with focus on video ability for people like you, but do not expect the 5D to be a camera for video shooting.

Now, about the 5D/1Ds thing.
Jjust like Neuro, I think Canon should and will release the 1Ds before 5D. First, because 1Ds is much more overdue than 5D (4 years old vs 3 years old). Then, because professional had enough time to collect money to change their (old) cameras (1Ds I, II or III).
And finally, probably because it is just smarter in a marketing way. Why so many people was raving about the 5DmII, making it a best seller even with its high price? Because people were buying a kind of "mini-1DsIII", with the same sensor than this 8k$ camera and even a better image processor inside!
Canon don't care to not sell anymore 1Ds, since they sell 10 times more 5D than before (and 1000 times more 5DII than any 1Ds before!) just by giving it "pro features".
That's why I also believe that 5DIII should and will use again the same sensor than the new 1Ds. So people dreaming of the new 1Ds will be able to buy a part of their dream. And the story will repeat again. ;)

My hypothesis:
End of 2011: new 1Ds mark IV
February (?) 2012: new iD mark V with APS-H sensor
August 2012: 5D mark III with 1Ds IV sensor (presented for the next Photokina)

And if I were Canon I would also replace the 7D within a few months (december?), opponents are getting stronger recently on high end APS-C! :P

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Canon General / Re: Panasonic, I love you!!!!!
« on: August 27, 2011, 07:54:13 PM »
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They are investing money to continue improving their technology in their labs, but they all missed the cheap easy way to do so, by just decreasing the pixels.
I didn't mean that they have to decrease the pixels (sorry for my bad english), but I say that more megapixel won't make a camera much better.
I'm waiting for the 5D MKIII (or maybe the 7D MKII) and the least I want to see is an advertisment like we had the last years... "Yeahhh buy the new 5D!!! Now even MORE Megapixel and even MORE frames  per second").

I don't say, that more sensor resulotion is bad. I want to see some REAL improvement. GPS, WLan, Touchscreen, more Video-functionality etc. Not just onother sensor upgrade.

The 5D II has almost 22MP. We've reached a very high level on sensor resulution - high enough. Who cares if the 5D III will have 22, 24 or maybe 30 MP?
And if a manufacturer "dares" to go down in the resolution I thought it was worth mentioning. Better resolution is does not necessarily mean better image quality.

And no, it is not a problem of engineering, it's a problem of marketing.
It looks like we all don't want the same thing.
Whjo cares about MP? Me! And many other people! More pixel with very good glasses means more details in the pictures. More resolution is more crop possibilities for sports or wildlife, it is also more details for landscape. Only good things. It looks like even studio cameramen look for more MP, since they are using medium format containing 40 to 80MP!
Then, your "real" improvement:
-GPS: I agree, could be fun. But still just a kind of gadget.
-WLAN: what for? I have a card reader way faster than any wireless transfer protocol. And I never shoot close to my computer.
-more video options: that is for videographers, I am still photographer using still camera. But why not, I guess it does not hurt still abilities of the camera.
-touch screen: tfor me that would be the worse thing ever. Why people need a touchscreen on 1.5~3kg cameras? How can it be ergonomically relevant? What for? I definitely never want one of them on a DSLR!

Is that real camera improvement for you? I agree with you that MP should not be the only point to improve, but these gadgets options are not going to make the camera better. What I expect Canon is working on is also a new AF (many people here cry for that), but also improve the metering of the camera, the ergonomics by giving more options in the menus (selectable limits of auto-isos even in M mode or when using flash and beyond 400isos!, wider range of AE compensation, etc) and also wider dynamic range, cleaner high isos, etc...
Actually, things that matter on image quality...   ;)

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PowerShot Cameras / Re: PowerShot Announcements.
« on: August 23, 2011, 07:18:41 PM »
They seriously went from:

500HS - 24-105mm f/2.0-5.8 with Tv, Av, and M
to
510HS - 28-336mm f/3.4-5.9 without Tv, Av, or M

The moms and pops walking into BB will be very impressed by the new and 'improved' 12X zoom (don't get me wrong, I think it's quite impressive they crammed a 12x into a camera that thin).  Sacrificing 1.5 stops and the short end of the zoom - BAD idea.  However, hidden in the unimpressive specs are the facts that this P&S lens contains a UD element and multiple aspericals. 
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1 UD lens, 1 double-sided aspherical lens, 1 single-sided aspherical UA lens, 1 light-folding prism
That I find a little impressive.  Anyone know what a 'light-folding' prism is, and how it could be used in this camera?
That a naming problem in US I guess. In Europe this model is called 1100 HS, and replace the 1000 HS that had the same kind of performances:
zoom 10x (36-360 mm f/3.4-5.6)
sensor CMOS BSI 10MP
non tactile screen, 230000 pixels

So in Europe the naming is logical and it is actually a quite interesting upgrade.  ;)

About the light-folding prism: to keep the body as thin as possible, they did not put the sensor in the back of the lens as usually, but on the side below the shutter button. The prism is then trnasmitting the light from the lens to the sensor with an angle of (probably) 90 degrees, just like it happens with the OVF of your reflex camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Getting a little bit Fed Up...
« on: August 22, 2011, 01:43:51 AM »
Maybe I just need some feedback from fellow Canon users before I decide to switch to the yellow brand...
Are you interested in a D3x?
Because, I agree with Canon taking huge time to announce new professional DSLR, but that is also true for Nikon and Sony. And today, the situation is just exactly the same than last year. Canon was and still is leader.

So now we just have to be patient, until one of these major companies decides to make a move. The other ones will follow within weeks.  ;)

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Lenses / Re: Which is the best "normal" prime for a Crop Camera?
« on: August 19, 2011, 07:48:48 PM »

Ok, based on this review and test, no surprise there:
http://www.lenstip.com/245.1-Lens_review-Canon_EF_24_mm_f_1.4L_II_USM.html

24mm 1.4L seems quite sharper than 35mm 1.4L. Still taken over from the above review, here are the two charts (left 24mm, right 35mm):


Thanks for the figures, but be carreful when you compare tests from different reviews.

In these tests, 24mm and 50mm can be compared together because they have been made on the same sensor: Canon 50D (15MP).
On the other hand, the 35mm has been tested on a Canon 20D (8MP)! So it is very logical that numbers seems lower than for the 2 other guys.
So regarding linear pixel density, the ratio between both cameras is 1.356.
To "compare" these results, you have to divide results from the 24mm and the 50mm by 1.356.

After that, I don't think you will see the 35mm as weaker than the 2 other ones...  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 5D Mark II + 24-105mm Lens price drop
« on: August 19, 2011, 12:00:25 PM »
I don't think price variations are significant of any announcement.
On your side, you see the price going down. Actually you have Canon stuff at a really good price right now in Europe and especially in US!
Here in Japan we don't have this chance. The kit 5DmII + 24-105mm is at its regular price, and even more expensive than last october when I bought mine (today is 318.000 yens / 2890 euros / 4157 USD versus 295.500 yens / 2686 euros / 3863 USD last year).

We can say the same for all the lenses and other bodies actually.  :'(

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Lenses / Re: Samyang 24 f/1.4 is coming
« on: August 17, 2011, 01:25:15 AM »
And it has a red ring!

I've only started seeing the brand in recent months and they don't seem to get reviewed much.  Just wondering if anyone has used one of their lenses?  Their fisheyes and 14mm look well priced and MF wouldn't worry me.  Optically, are they ok?  Are they anywhere near the Canon 14mm or should I continue to keep saving?   
I have used the 85mm f/1.4 and the 8mm f/3.5 on my previous pentax K20D and now I am using the 14mm f2.8 on my 5D mark II.

In Canon mount, they are all complete manual lenses. But for Pentaxians they have a "A" position on the Aperture ring, so they can work as any modern lens, just AF is missing. For Nikon, a version containing a chip is available for each model (AE) giving light metering on bodies, and aperture can be managed on body for D7000 and higher models if I am correct.

Optically, Samyang lenses are as good as their main opponents! You can find very good reviews on PhotoZone and on Lenstip websites.

More specifically, the 24mm I am using on the 5DII is as good if not better than the Canon 14mm F2.8L II! Especially, the resolution is razor sharp from edge to edge, even at f/2.8! The only drawback is a "mustache" distortion, difficult to correct for people doing architectural pictures (read the reviews on he previously cited websites for more details). Hopefully, you can correct easily correct the distortion using the cheap software PTLens and the integrated correction module. ;)

Another very good and important news is the "almost" official announcement of the development of a Tilt & Shift lens by Samyang. The information was given by Rokinon, Samyang distributor in North America.
For memory, even Nikon and Canon's T&S lenses lack autofocus. So if optical quality of the Korean counterpart is just equal, that would be a "revolution" in the T&S little world!!  :P

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1 Ds IV by the end of the year? New rumor at NL
« on: August 13, 2011, 09:02:28 AM »
I was also thinking that this rumor just give more strength to a possible 6D.
And we can imagine that it would be APS-H, just like a kind of "super 7D"! (more APS-H sensors produced means cheaper ones and means more money for Canon, just like what they did with the FF sensor in 5DmII! ;D)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1 Ds IV by the end of the year? New rumor at NL
« on: August 13, 2011, 06:43:14 AM »
One of the most believable rumor since months in my opinion...
I "agree" with what is said here. At least, I imagine things going that way.

Thanks for sharing!  :)

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