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Not that I'll have the pennies to buy a 1D X, but how can anyone hope to answer this question definitively until they are able to get their hands on a production camera?

FWIW the 1D X looks like it will be a more significant development for Canon users than the D4 will be for Nikon users, but that's mainly because the D3s is already such a good camera.  What Canon shooters are currently lacking and what the 1D X looks like it will address, is the need for a fast shooting camera that has really clean high ISO capabilities.  Whilst the 1D MkIV was good, it was not in D3s territory (and according to DXO Mark, not in 5D MkII territory either). 

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II [CR2]
« on: January 20, 2012, 12:35:38 PM »

I mean, how many people baulk at the idea of buying a 70-200 L IS2 f2.8, even though size and weight are more suited to a weight lifting competition at the Olympics...

Proably most small people - both my lady friends last night struggled with the 1ds3 + 70-200 f/2.8II.

Is your real name Peter Stringfellow?

Seriously, I can't see how size and weight would be a problem for a 24-70 f/2.8L IS version; most people that would be in the market for such a lens would be using it alongside a 70-200 f/2.8 lens anyway. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: The 5D Mark III Megapixel Count? [CR2]
« on: January 20, 2012, 08:23:42 AM »
I can't see the point of a 21MP sensor; it's not that different in resolution to the 18MP sensor fitted in the 1D X, but would mean that Canon would incur all the extra costs developing a new sensor and fabrication facility.  Surely it would be more cost effective to stick to a single sensor unless there are big resolution (and hence marketing) advantages?

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Helen,

I'm not criticising companies that sell grey market products, I've looked at your website as well as that of B&H; I know that both companies offer 'grey market' products alongside 'authorised' US stock and they are always clearly marked as such.  I would have no problem buying products on this basis from either of these two stores as I am aware that they are both long standing and well regarded retailers.  I am not suggesting that Pro Camera Shop or HDEW are not, but I am concerned that they are not explicit about the status of the products that they sell on their websites. 

As you point out, when you buy 'grey market', you are not necessarily covered by the manufacturers warranty and so are reliant upon the retailer to resolve any problems that you may encounter.  You must therefore be confident that the retailer will be in business for at least as long as any in-store warranty they offer.  I would be happy to place this level of trust in Adorama, but there are lots of retailers out there in whom I would not. 

I am aware that Canon are not as strict on their warranty criteria as Nikon, but I am also aware that this policy could change with little notice. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« on: January 19, 2012, 04:49:07 PM »
That's true. If Canon releases a 5D3 with the same AF as the 5D2 or even 60D I would probably just buy a cheaper 5D2. I'm certainly not on the fence for switching. Canon would not lose my business they would just lack a sell of one 5D3. I think they can deal with that.

That's the other problem for Canon from a marketing point of view; if they don't do something more than simply change the sensor for the new 18MP one, there will be a lot of people in this position.  The last thing that Canon wants is 5D MkII owners not bothering to upgrade and potential full frame upgraders settling for previous 5D models.  If they do use the 18MP sensor, I cannot see the point of a camera that has great high ISO capabilities without the AF system to allow you to fully utilise this.  After all, the whole point of using high ISOs is to enable you to raise shutter speeds in low light!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« on: January 19, 2012, 02:25:07 PM »
The problem with Nikon is that while the D700 "crushed" the 5dmk2 in terms of AF specs, it also crushed their own D3, which is something Canon will not do, they aren't going to over spec a 5d body to kill sales of their 1 series bodies. 

This is why Nikon appear to be taking care to place the D800 in a different market position to the D4, as a slow but high resolution camera as opposed to a high-speed and low noise camera. 

And Canon seems to be doing fine when it comes to share.  Forget sales figures, because there isnt a breakdown between models...Just for comparison I went to B&H and had a look a the number of reviews for the 5dmk2 compared to the D700 (not scientific but fairly balanced way to look at it) and when you combine the reviews for the body only, and kit you get about 2100 reviews for the 5dmk2 and for the d700 there are just over 1000.  Sure its not sales figures but I would venture to guess the rate at which buyers leave reviews is not 1:1.  I dont think the d700 "crushed" anything and therefore Canon would rather have their own house in order because what they're doing works for them...share-wise and otherwise.

Forget looking at past sales figures, that's what Kodak did and it told them there was nothing to worry about!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« on: January 19, 2012, 02:19:43 PM »
Depends on the market segment.  At present, it seems that Canon is focusing on a polarized strategy - entry level bodies and pro bodies/lenses.  The 1D X and the new supertele primes point to a focus on the latter.  The 7D was aimed straight at the mid-market.  We'll just have to wait and see what the 5DIII has to offer, and the D800 is still a rumor, too.

The 1D X and 7D are proof that Canon can listen to what its customers want and deliver; I hope that they can do that for the 5D MkII as well, because the number one complaint is the AF system.  [Personally, I think that the 7D should've had the 1D AF system, but even I can admit that an APS-C 7D and an APS-H 1D MkIV would have been too close; I hope that they rethink this for the 7D MkII]. 

One could argue that 'your chosen manufacturer continue to underspecify versus the competition year upon year' could as easily apply to Nikon's low MP sensors.  If the 36 MP D800 rumor is true, and if the IQ doesn't go down the toilet as a result, that would be a clear signal that Nikon rectified their 'underspecification' (and will likely involve just as much backpedaling and handwaving regarding strategy as Canon's releasing a flagship with fewer MP than it's predecessor).

True, but if the rumours are correct then Nikon has listened to what its customers have asked for! If the 5D MkIII perpetuates a crippled AF system, Canon will not have. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why canon?
« on: January 19, 2012, 01:37:00 PM »
Like many of the decisions that we all find ourselves stuck with: "it seemed like a good idea at the time..."

Like a marriage, for better or worse I've stuck with my decision thus far... Mostly it's been "better", but that doesn't mean we don't still look at what other people have!   ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« on: January 19, 2012, 01:29:00 PM »
They did?  In 2008, Canon and Nikon were nearly neck and neck in dSLR market share at 38 and 37%, respectively, but by 2010, Canon rose to 44.5% while Nikon fell to under 30%.  Who's bleeding share, here?

I'm not saying the trend will continue, but historically, your statement is just plain wrong.  Canon can look at the above numbers and come away thinking they don't have to change a thing...

One other key point - we're talking about FF cameras costing in excess of US$2,000.  That's not the real competitive battleground.  Sure, it's interesting to us here on CR...but the overwhelming majority of dSLR purchases are entry-level bodies with kit lenses, and that arena is the real driver of the overall sales figures.  Granted, there's a trickle-down effect, and when pros are seen using Canon or Nikon that impacts consumer decisions to some degree. 

Yeah, that's your favourite statistic, but Nikon have been on the move in the mid-ground for a while now and that is where there are high margins and volume, for both bodies and lenses.  Granted, there's quite a bit of lag in the system because the "advanced amateur/pro-sumer" or whatever name you wish to give them, tends to own a good collection of lenses.  With growth in the DSLR sector now basically static, Canon would be fools to ignore this segment.  My view is that if Canon continues to signal that they intend to play second fiddle to Nikon, more and more people will consider the switch; I cannot be the only person that does the 'back of cigarette packet' calculations of trade-in costs every time I hear rumours like this...

A 5DIII with weak AF stacked up against a D800 with more MP and better AF will not cut Canon as deeply as it might appear.  People with a 5DII and a bunch of L-series lenses, people with a 60D and a couple of EF lenses, those folks are unlikely to sell it all and jump over to Nikon in droves.  The number of first-time purchasers with no system buy-in and no brand loyalty who jump straight into a >$2K FF camera is vanishingly small, especially relative to the number of xxxD buyers.

We're not all going to change systems every generation based upon who's got the 'best' specifications, but when you see your chosen manufacturer continue to underspecify versus the competition year upon year and when you know that they have access to the same sort of technology, you start to think that they're taking you for a fool. 

This sounds like an anti-Canon tirade, which would be unfair based solely upon a rumour.  Let me just state that I'm not buying any camera equipment until all the major players show their hands this year and then I will be making a long term decision on whether to stick or switch.  I'm pretty sure that I won't be the only person in this position. 

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DO NOT USE SIMPLY ELECTRONICS

Best place for price in the UK that I know is www.procamerashop.co.uk
Then it's HDEW cameras.

For anything other than cameras and lenses then Dale Photographic or Warehouse Express.


Has anyone else used procamerashop? Their prices look a little on the cheap side across the board, which always sets off alarm bells for me.  I don't mean to slander them if they are genuine, but £899 for a 7D body? Most places sell them second hand for more than that!

Edit: I've looked at hdew cameras as well and they seem to be the same prices.  Neither of these sites appear on Camera Price Buster; I don't know if this comparison site takes commission (which might explain this), but it seems a bit strange...

I bought 4 lenses from Pro camera shop, first 2 turned up within 48 hours, the rest a few days. I recommended them for a reason ;)


I have no doubt that you had a good experience with this store, as most reviews that I've seen online are very positive.  My concern is that they should be clearer on their website that what they are selling is grey imports.  It must be said that from what I've read of internet feedback, if you ask them this question then they give you a straight answer, but in my opinion you shouldn't need to ask. 

If you're happy with the warranty that these stores provide and the fact that your purchase will not be covered by a Canon warranty, then by all means go ahead and save yourself some money.   I don't mean to bang on about this, but I feel it is important to make it clear for people who aren't knowledgable about grey imports (perhaps those reading this board before buying their first camera) of the risk involved taking this route. 

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Lenses / Re: EF 24-70 f/2.8L II [CR2]
« on: January 15, 2012, 06:41:03 PM »
Same focal length range, no IS... This lens had better break all resolution records if it's to justify the $2000 they're going to ask for it.  As customers, we might be better off if they simply made the existing lens to tighter tolerances, as the people who get a 'good copy' seem to be pleased with it. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-1D X Battery Issues?
« on: January 15, 2012, 06:24:25 PM »
In the interview at RG, it is suggested that the change in the law in Japan is the reason that the D4's battery is lower capacity than the D3s'.  It does seem a bit strange that the D300, D700 & D3s/x models cannot now be sold, whereas Canon don't seem to have had problems with their models in Japan.  I had also heard that there was something about the contacts on the older generation Nikon batteries that made them potentially susceptible to short circuiting (probably in ultra-extreme lab test circumstances).  Perhaps this is related to the rumoured 1D X battery problems -Canon may be having battery life difficulties.  If this is indeed the case, I don't think that they'll be alone...

As for the firmware updates, uncompressed video out from the HDMI connection and f/8 focusing perhaps?

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United Kingdom & Ireland / Re: Canon not at Focus
« on: January 14, 2012, 01:35:03 PM »
You're a year out of date, this thread is from 2011!

You'll be please to know that the FOCUS ON IMAGING 2012 website states in big yellow letters:

"NEWS: Canon will be exhibiting at FOCUS 2012, more news to follow soon. "

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DO NOT USE SIMPLY ELECTRONICS

Best place for price in the UK that I know is www.procamerashop.co.uk
Then it's HDEW cameras.

For anything other than cameras and lenses then Dale Photographic or Warehouse Express.

Has anyone else used procamerashop? Their prices look a little on the cheap side across the board, which always sets off alarm bells for me.  I don't mean to slander them if they are genuine, but £899 for a 7D body? Most places sell them second hand for more than that!

Edit: I've looked at hdew cameras as well and they seem to be the same prices.  Neither of these sites appear on Camera Price Buster; I don't know if this comparison site takes commission (which might explain this), but it seems a bit strange...

It's $1375 US from B&H Photo Video, which is about the same as 899gbp, so I don't think it sounds too unrealistic.  I was actually talking with a guy from England yesterday at a local shop and he was like a kid in a candy store about the prices.  I see 7D's used (but like new condition) for $1000-$1200 all the time here.

I don't know if sales tax is already added to B&H's prices, but all UK based retailers include VAT at 20% on their prices (this can be recovered by VAT registered businesses), this is usually the approximate difference between US and UK prices.  This is what make me suspicious about the £899 price...

450
DO NOT USE SIMPLY ELECTRONICS

Best place for price in the UK that I know is www.procamerashop.co.uk
Then it's HDEW cameras.

For anything other than cameras and lenses then Dale Photographic or Warehouse Express.

Has anyone else used procamerashop? Their prices look a little on the cheap side across the board, which always sets off alarm bells for me.  I don't mean to slander them if they are genuine, but £899 for a 7D body? Most places sell them second hand for more than that!

Edit: I've looked at hdew cameras as well and they seem to be the same prices.  Neither of these sites appear on Camera Price Buster; I don't know if this comparison site takes commission (which might explain this), but it seems a bit strange...

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