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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Sighting?
« on: January 23, 2012, 07:05:48 PM »
Oh dear god, no.  Not that stupid mode dial unlock button.

You obviously don't spend a lot of time with a camera hanging by your side.

I do. Hours and hours walking around streets with my 5DII hanging at my side, or hours and hours hiking through the wilderness with my 7D hanging at my side. 

Number of times I've accidentally rotated a mode dial?  Perhaps 3-4. 

Number of missed shots resulting from that?  One - the first time.

Number of times I've looked up to see an action scene unfolding on front of me or a bird flying close by, and been able to quickly spin the mode dial to the hard stop at C3 to get the shot?  Probably in the hundreds.

Number of missed shots resulting from having to press a button before spinning a dial?  I don't know, but I can almost guarantee it'll be more than one.

It's really not that hard. You don't use an extra hand and the other finger that is required is generally not far away (for most people, anyway.)

Do you have a 60D or mode dial-converted 7D or 5DII that you've done this with?  Currently, the camera hangs at my right hip on a BlackRapid strap. I grab it with my right hand and as I'm bringing it up in front of my body, I rub the mode dial across the palm or fingers of my left hand as that hand reaches for the lens barrel. It's one smooth, fast motion, and I can't see how having to use a thumb or finger to press a button and then spin the dial can be as smooth or as fast. 

OTOH, I run into this mostly with the 7D and birds. So, in a 5DII replacement it probably isn't a big deal.  Personally, considering that I'm planning to get a 1D X with no dial at all, changes are in order for me, regardless.

I can't see why Canon didn't just design a seperate lock switch that you could turn on or off instead of the 'push and turn' design.  That way if you don't want to lock the mode dial, you don't have to use it. 

EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* 5D Mark III Sighting?
« on: January 23, 2012, 06:40:45 PM »
The next generation will be called; 1d "Y", because it's that good....

No, Y will be because everyone will ask "Y" are we meant to upgrade... By the next generation everyone will have totally lost interest, so it will be generation "Z", followed by "ZZ" and "ZZZ"!  :)

Seriously, I just went out for a couple of hours and I came back to find fifteen pages of 5D MkIII... Whoa! I'm just surprised how little the "3D" has been mentioned! Ah, what the hell, I'll start it... Maybe Canon has two new full frame prototypes, the 5D MkIII and the higher-spec 3D; that would explain why we're hearing rumour with such wildly different specifications... [There, I said it!]

Canon General / Re: Patent: Large Back Illuminated Sensor
« on: January 23, 2012, 01:32:01 PM »
You fools! Can't you see that this means that the 1D XXX is due for release this year  ;)

EOS Bodies / Re: The 5D Mark III Megapixel Count? [CR2]
« on: January 23, 2012, 09:12:06 AM »
I don't buy this argument that an improved 5D MkII replacement would obviate the need for the 7D.  The market for the 7D should be purchasing this camera either for what it offers in terms of 'more pixels on target', or for its lower price.  If potential 5D series owners are buying a 7D because they are put off by the 5D's poorer AF and slow speed, then surely Canon are losing potential profits?

If the 5D MkII replacement is to stay low(er) megapixel, Canon will need to do something to sell it over buying a second hand 5D MkII and I don't think that an extra stop or so of ISO will cut the mustard.  It would make sense to me to ramp up the AF specs and continuous burst rate, as there are many other ways to 'hobble' the camera for pros.  Even having the 1D X's AF system would not guarantee 1D X levels of performance, especially if the '5D MkIII' didn't have the same processing power.  They could also make the buffer smaller than the 1D X (like Nikon did with the D7000), which would also put off serious sports shooters.  Next, they could remove dual memory card and ethernet support, further discouraging professionals. 

Professionals who make their living from their photographs are generally quite conservative, they rely on their camera behaving exactly as they expect it to in order to get their shots.  If they've owned a number of 1-series cameras it is unlikely that they would easily be persuaded to 'trade down'.  Whilst most of us are feeling the squeeze economically, a new camera body every four years is not exactly the largest business expense for those that truly make their living from photography. 

and as an aside i'm not going to bother selling my mk3 i have been wanting a dedicated Infrared camera for a while so that baby is going in for a makeover and will become IR only that way i dont have to worry about trying to sell it and losing lots of money on it.

Are you joking or just crazy? What advantages would a 1D series have over a basic 'Rebel' as an IR converted camera? In the UK, MPB Photographic are selling used 1D MkIIIs at £1379 and an IR converted 550D at £519.  I know what I'd do...

Not that I'll have the pennies to buy a 1D X, but how can anyone hope to answer this question definitively until they are able to get their hands on a production camera?

FWIW the 1D X looks like it will be a more significant development for Canon users than the D4 will be for Nikon users, but that's mainly because the D3s is already such a good camera.  What Canon shooters are currently lacking and what the 1D X looks like it will address, is the need for a fast shooting camera that has really clean high ISO capabilities.  Whilst the 1D MkIV was good, it was not in D3s territory (and according to DXO Mark, not in 5D MkII territory either). 

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II [CR2]
« on: January 20, 2012, 12:35:38 PM »

I mean, how many people baulk at the idea of buying a 70-200 L IS2 f2.8, even though size and weight are more suited to a weight lifting competition at the Olympics...

Proably most small people - both my lady friends last night struggled with the 1ds3 + 70-200 f/2.8II.

Is your real name Peter Stringfellow?

Seriously, I can't see how size and weight would be a problem for a 24-70 f/2.8L IS version; most people that would be in the market for such a lens would be using it alongside a 70-200 f/2.8 lens anyway. 

EOS Bodies / Re: The 5D Mark III Megapixel Count? [CR2]
« on: January 20, 2012, 08:23:42 AM »
I can't see the point of a 21MP sensor; it's not that different in resolution to the 18MP sensor fitted in the 1D X, but would mean that Canon would incur all the extra costs developing a new sensor and fabrication facility.  Surely it would be more cost effective to stick to a single sensor unless there are big resolution (and hence marketing) advantages?


I'm not criticising companies that sell grey market products, I've looked at your website as well as that of B&H; I know that both companies offer 'grey market' products alongside 'authorised' US stock and they are always clearly marked as such.  I would have no problem buying products on this basis from either of these two stores as I am aware that they are both long standing and well regarded retailers.  I am not suggesting that Pro Camera Shop or HDEW are not, but I am concerned that they are not explicit about the status of the products that they sell on their websites. 

As you point out, when you buy 'grey market', you are not necessarily covered by the manufacturers warranty and so are reliant upon the retailer to resolve any problems that you may encounter.  You must therefore be confident that the retailer will be in business for at least as long as any in-store warranty they offer.  I would be happy to place this level of trust in Adorama, but there are lots of retailers out there in whom I would not. 

I am aware that Canon are not as strict on their warranty criteria as Nikon, but I am also aware that this policy could change with little notice. 

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« on: January 19, 2012, 04:49:07 PM »
That's true. If Canon releases a 5D3 with the same AF as the 5D2 or even 60D I would probably just buy a cheaper 5D2. I'm certainly not on the fence for switching. Canon would not lose my business they would just lack a sell of one 5D3. I think they can deal with that.

That's the other problem for Canon from a marketing point of view; if they don't do something more than simply change the sensor for the new 18MP one, there will be a lot of people in this position.  The last thing that Canon wants is 5D MkII owners not bothering to upgrade and potential full frame upgraders settling for previous 5D models.  If they do use the 18MP sensor, I cannot see the point of a camera that has great high ISO capabilities without the AF system to allow you to fully utilise this.  After all, the whole point of using high ISOs is to enable you to raise shutter speeds in low light!

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« on: January 19, 2012, 02:25:07 PM »
The problem with Nikon is that while the D700 "crushed" the 5dmk2 in terms of AF specs, it also crushed their own D3, which is something Canon will not do, they aren't going to over spec a 5d body to kill sales of their 1 series bodies. 

This is why Nikon appear to be taking care to place the D800 in a different market position to the D4, as a slow but high resolution camera as opposed to a high-speed and low noise camera. 

And Canon seems to be doing fine when it comes to share.  Forget sales figures, because there isnt a breakdown between models...Just for comparison I went to B&H and had a look a the number of reviews for the 5dmk2 compared to the D700 (not scientific but fairly balanced way to look at it) and when you combine the reviews for the body only, and kit you get about 2100 reviews for the 5dmk2 and for the d700 there are just over 1000.  Sure its not sales figures but I would venture to guess the rate at which buyers leave reviews is not 1:1.  I dont think the d700 "crushed" anything and therefore Canon would rather have their own house in order because what they're doing works for them...share-wise and otherwise.

Forget looking at past sales figures, that's what Kodak did and it told them there was nothing to worry about!

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« on: January 19, 2012, 02:19:43 PM »
Depends on the market segment.  At present, it seems that Canon is focusing on a polarized strategy - entry level bodies and pro bodies/lenses.  The 1D X and the new supertele primes point to a focus on the latter.  The 7D was aimed straight at the mid-market.  We'll just have to wait and see what the 5DIII has to offer, and the D800 is still a rumor, too.

The 1D X and 7D are proof that Canon can listen to what its customers want and deliver; I hope that they can do that for the 5D MkII as well, because the number one complaint is the AF system.  [Personally, I think that the 7D should've had the 1D AF system, but even I can admit that an APS-C 7D and an APS-H 1D MkIV would have been too close; I hope that they rethink this for the 7D MkII]. 

One could argue that 'your chosen manufacturer continue to underspecify versus the competition year upon year' could as easily apply to Nikon's low MP sensors.  If the 36 MP D800 rumor is true, and if the IQ doesn't go down the toilet as a result, that would be a clear signal that Nikon rectified their 'underspecification' (and will likely involve just as much backpedaling and handwaving regarding strategy as Canon's releasing a flagship with fewer MP than it's predecessor).

True, but if the rumours are correct then Nikon has listened to what its customers have asked for! If the 5D MkIII perpetuates a crippled AF system, Canon will not have. 

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why canon?
« on: January 19, 2012, 01:37:00 PM »
Like many of the decisions that we all find ourselves stuck with: "it seemed like a good idea at the time..."

Like a marriage, for better or worse I've stuck with my decision thus far... Mostly it's been "better", but that doesn't mean we don't still look at what other people have!   ;)

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Information [CR1]
« on: January 19, 2012, 01:29:00 PM »
They did?  In 2008, Canon and Nikon were nearly neck and neck in dSLR market share at 38 and 37%, respectively, but by 2010, Canon rose to 44.5% while Nikon fell to under 30%.  Who's bleeding share, here?

I'm not saying the trend will continue, but historically, your statement is just plain wrong.  Canon can look at the above numbers and come away thinking they don't have to change a thing...

One other key point - we're talking about FF cameras costing in excess of US$2,000.  That's not the real competitive battleground.  Sure, it's interesting to us here on CR...but the overwhelming majority of dSLR purchases are entry-level bodies with kit lenses, and that arena is the real driver of the overall sales figures.  Granted, there's a trickle-down effect, and when pros are seen using Canon or Nikon that impacts consumer decisions to some degree. 

Yeah, that's your favourite statistic, but Nikon have been on the move in the mid-ground for a while now and that is where there are high margins and volume, for both bodies and lenses.  Granted, there's quite a bit of lag in the system because the "advanced amateur/pro-sumer" or whatever name you wish to give them, tends to own a good collection of lenses.  With growth in the DSLR sector now basically static, Canon would be fools to ignore this segment.  My view is that if Canon continues to signal that they intend to play second fiddle to Nikon, more and more people will consider the switch; I cannot be the only person that does the 'back of cigarette packet' calculations of trade-in costs every time I hear rumours like this...

A 5DIII with weak AF stacked up against a D800 with more MP and better AF will not cut Canon as deeply as it might appear.  People with a 5DII and a bunch of L-series lenses, people with a 60D and a couple of EF lenses, those folks are unlikely to sell it all and jump over to Nikon in droves.  The number of first-time purchasers with no system buy-in and no brand loyalty who jump straight into a >$2K FF camera is vanishingly small, especially relative to the number of xxxD buyers.

We're not all going to change systems every generation based upon who's got the 'best' specifications, but when you see your chosen manufacturer continue to underspecify versus the competition year upon year and when you know that they have access to the same sort of technology, you start to think that they're taking you for a fool. 

This sounds like an anti-Canon tirade, which would be unfair based solely upon a rumour.  Let me just state that I'm not buying any camera equipment until all the major players show their hands this year and then I will be making a long term decision on whether to stick or switch.  I'm pretty sure that I won't be the only person in this position. 


Best place for price in the UK that I know is www.procamerashop.co.uk
Then it's HDEW cameras.

For anything other than cameras and lenses then Dale Photographic or Warehouse Express.

Has anyone else used procamerashop? Their prices look a little on the cheap side across the board, which always sets off alarm bells for me.  I don't mean to slander them if they are genuine, but £899 for a 7D body? Most places sell them second hand for more than that!

Edit: I've looked at hdew cameras as well and they seem to be the same prices.  Neither of these sites appear on Camera Price Buster; I don't know if this comparison site takes commission (which might explain this), but it seems a bit strange...

I bought 4 lenses from Pro camera shop, first 2 turned up within 48 hours, the rest a few days. I recommended them for a reason ;)

I have no doubt that you had a good experience with this store, as most reviews that I've seen online are very positive.  My concern is that they should be clearer on their website that what they are selling is grey imports.  It must be said that from what I've read of internet feedback, if you ask them this question then they give you a straight answer, but in my opinion you shouldn't need to ask. 

If you're happy with the warranty that these stores provide and the fact that your purchase will not be covered by a Canon warranty, then by all means go ahead and save yourself some money.   I don't mean to bang on about this, but I feel it is important to make it clear for people who aren't knowledgable about grey imports (perhaps those reading this board before buying their first camera) of the risk involved taking this route. 

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