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"while i continue to be a loyal Canon user, Canon lacks behind Nikon in picture quality, why is that?"

http://forums.usa.canon.com/t5/General-Discussion/while-i-continue-to-be-a-loyal-Canon-user-Canon-lacks-behind/m-p/1249#M114

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Thanks for all the replies.  I didn't realise that DigitalRev were now guaranteeing to pay duty and tax on purchases; that certainly makes their offer a lot more tempting...

I still find it a bit strange that the price difference on Canon imports is so much greater than for Nikon kit.  It's just not worth importing Nikon bodies, nor most of their lenses.  Perhaps this is part of Nikon's global strategy to stop grey imports (evidenced by their hard line on not repairing 'imported' equipment and refusing to supply parts to independant service centres)?

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That camera is a serious "Rebel-killer".  Heck, it doesn't look bad compared to the 6D! 2013 needs to be a big year for Canon...

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Preorders
« on: November 06, 2012, 05:01:57 AM »
£1500 for an f/4 standard zoom!!! Seriously, this lens should be pretty simple and cheap to manufacture (L-class enhancements notwithstanding).  I expect that its street price will fall closer to the £1200 mark, but for me that is still 50% over-priced; even DPReview seem pretty incredulous. 

This lens can be as sharp as it likes, I am still not interested.  For me, the whole point of accepting the compromise of an f/4 lens is versatility and it lacks both versatility (24-105L) and speed (24-70 L II).  Sorry, but a crappy semi-macro mode doesn't do it for me. 

Canon would have been better served updating the 24-105L or I suspect, for the consumer market, the 28-135 IS.  No doubt this lens will be good at what it does, but if being a good lightweight travel lens is all that is, then I would suggest a full frame DSLR is the wrong choice of system for most of the target audience.  Here's looking forwards to the new 70-200 f/4L IS II; price £1700!  ;)

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Lenses / Re: Two Lenses to be Announced Shortly.....
« on: November 05, 2012, 04:04:41 AM »
If the 50 IS comes - it will be 2.0 or slower. We seem to be getting slower with IS on new glass.

You're basing this on what? The 24mm f/2.8 IS and the 28mm f/2.8 IS are replacements for existing (and very old) non-IS f/2.8 primes, not for the fast wide primes (i.e. the 24mm f/1.4L or the 28mm f/1.8 USM -which are both still current). 

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Lenses / Re: New 50 Finally on the Way? [CR1]
« on: November 04, 2012, 10:26:12 AM »
A Canon 50mm f/1.4 IS USM, let's see £700?  ;)

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Canon General / Re: EOS-M kicking butt in Japan
« on: November 04, 2012, 07:37:04 AM »
See my comment on the original PR post. Unfortunately, PRGuy got it wrong, those are the top 10 sales figures for 01-22 October only (and there's always going to be a big rush upon launch).
Still, nice to see that it's doing well (although there's some weird things in there, like the Pentax Q sells well, and the NEX-7 doesn't, and there's no Fuji anything or OM-D in there)

That's exactly it, the Japanese especially love new things. 

Continuing the discussion ( ;)) - quite a number of people seem to want full frame.  I wonder how keen they'd be when they saw the size and price of the lenses! Really, this boils down to what you want the camera for and what compromises you are willing to accept.  If you're looking for a smaller, yet still very capable camera system to supplement your DSLR, then I'd suggest that you don't want full frame, as it adds size and cost whilst duplicating capabilities you already have. 

In some ways, this mirrors (pun noted!) the currently available systems.  I would suggest that Fuji's X-system is very much orientated at those who are looking to change from a DSLR based set-up to something more compact, rather than those who seek to supplement their DSLR with something smaller.  Hence why the X-series are physically larger and amongst the most expensive of the mirrorless cameras. 

DSLR                                 DSLR supplement                          point and shoot upgraders
replacement

X-Pro1 ------------- NEX-7, OMD EM5 ---------- GX-1, EP3 ----------- EPLx, GFx, Nikon 1

I'm not trying to suggest that there are any clear cut boundaries (nor was I trying to be comprehensive), just that there is a vague spectrum, upon which different cameras exist.   As you move further to the left on my spectrum, the more niche the product becomes.  Might I therefore also suggest that the further to the left a camera is, the less attractive it becomes to the mainstream manufacturers like Canon and Nikon. 


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To the original OP, have you considered digitalrev? I know it's tempting me!

You pay more than the original prize in the UK when customs get their hands on the camera.

As you point out, you need to read the small print when considering Hong Kong imports, it generally goes

"...you will be considered the sole "Importer" of the product to your country for all purposes, including customs regulations and copyright and trademark laws."

Another source that you might consider is HDEW et al. A lot of people swear by them (they are a 'grey importer') and you can even pick your camera up from their shop in Surrey.  There are still the other concerns about warranties etc. that go with using unauthorized channels. 

My personal feeling is that if you're willing to spend two grand plus on a camera, a few hundred for peace of mind is worth it, but as our American friends like to say YMMV  ;D

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You make a valid point, but how many of our purchasing decisions are based upon want rather than necessity?  If this were not the case, I suspect that I'd be living in a mud hut and getting up before dawn to milk the cows (instead of to photograph the dawn) ;)

Besides, I'm not bemoaning the fact these cameras are expensive, just that the Canon is 22.5% more expensive than the equivalent Nikon!

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Here's another question, if you use the default AE lock (i.e. * button), is there any way to disable it without turning the camera off and the back on? Maybe I'm being stupid, but I've never found a way! (Personally, I generally use back button AF, with AF disabled on the shutter button and AE lock on half press). 

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Third Party Manufacturers / Amazon.co.uk's D800 price is killing me!!!
« on: November 03, 2012, 10:27:08 AM »
[Here in the UK, we have to pay at least 20% more than in the USA (VAT), so please bear this in mind when I quote prices]

I really want a 5D MkIII and if the D800 were the same price, I would buy the Canon.  The problem for me is that the D800 is still very tempting and its price on the aforementioned website is £1907.64, compared to £2339.00 for the 5D MkIII (@ Camera World).  In fact the Canon is priced identically to the 'premium' D800e! The disparity in prices would go a long way to offsetting the cost of switching lenses...

I'm really not looking to start yet another 5D MkIII versus D800 debate, I just want some consolation  :'(

Please Canon, drop your price to match the D800 and my decision would be simple!!!

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I can see the logic behind Canon writing minimum pricing agreements into their supply contracts.  If these did not exist, there would be a ‘race to the bottom’ which would negatively impact upon Canon’s product perception, but more seriously, would destroy Canon’s dealer network.  Effectively, supply of Canon products would end up being concentrated in the hands of a few large retailers (like Amazon), who could offer the lowest prices by best exploiting their economies of scale.  These few retailers would then be in a position to dictate terms to Canon.  It is therefore hardly surprising that Canon is taking action to maintain the status quo. 

I think that people are annoyed with this move because Canon have created the perception that their products are getting more expensive than Nikon’s, whilst at the same time offering little to no added benefits for their users.  This is particularly true with the 5D MkIII, where Canon is seeking to price it against the D800e, when the market price was started to fall to closer to the D800.  The strategy will only work (i.e. generate more revenue for Canon) if the demand for the 5D MkIII is sufficiently inelastic, that is the number of people who do not purchase a 5D MkIII at the higher price is more than offset by the additional revenue from those who do.  I’m sure that Canon will be monitoring this closely and will react accordingly. 

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Sorry,

I think that I may have posted on the same topic before I realised that you had already!  :-[

It's good to actually read some analysis based upon research and facts in all the rumour, hype and speculation.  For me, the Chipworks articles show that Canon has been eeking out the last performance from an older generation (or two!!) of technology.  The important thing is that Canon has reached the point where they need to change their fab process and modify their sensor designs to support the new technology. 

It seems to me that Canon aren't in a great position with regards to sensors.  They have been buying in Sony designs for their compact cameras and so lack the design experience as pixel size shrinks, as well as the economies of scale for their R&D departments.  Canon also maintain their own capital intensive fabs solely for larger sensors (APS-C & full frame), which could be what is tying them into older fab technology (i.e. lower production volumes means it takes them longer to amortise the fab assets).

While I think it is almost certain that Canon will need to move to (at least) a 0.18µm process in its next generation of sensors, that doesn't mean that Canon isn't equipped to do that.  Without intimate knowledge of Canon's capabilities, we are all speculating.
Canon potentially benefits a lot commercially from skipping 0.35µm and 0.25µm processes for its larger sensors.

On the compact side, Canon has for a number of year made its own sensors - notably in the G series.  Although these do not have the highest resolution, they do pack a high pixel density.  I think we may be speculating hugely to say Canon does not have the experience of designing to higher pixel densities.

An alternate view could also be that, given what Canon has pulled out of a 0.5µm process, it bodes well for what Canon can do with a 0.18µm process.  Canon will almost certainly release a new generation of APS-C sensors next year, so it will be interesting to see how well such a new design performs, and whether there is a significant performance improvement.

You're correct with the G-series, but that isn't where the volume is: think mobile 'phone camera chips. 

I'm sure that Canon are very good at the 0.5µm design level, but that won't necessarily help at 0.18µm.  My main issue is with Canon's approach of fabbing their own sensors; I think they could get a lot more flexibility by subcontracting the actual manufacturing out and concentrating on R&D.  If they are determined to keep fab in-house, I think that they need to try and expand production by fabbing sensors for other manufacturers. 

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Please refer to the following thread -this is a duplicate (sorry -didn't notice when I posted)

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=10469.0

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Sorry,

I think that I may have posted on the same topic before I realised that you had already!  :-[

It's good to actually read some analysis based upon research and facts in all the rumour, hype and speculation.  For me, the Chipworks articles show that Canon has been eeking out the last performance from an older generation (or two!!) of technology.  The important thing is that Canon has reached the point where they need to change their fab process and modify their sensor designs to support the new technology. 

It seems to me that Canon aren't in a great position with regards to sensors.  They have been buying in Sony designs for their compact cameras and so lack the design experience as pixel size shrinks, as well as the economies of scale for their R&D departments.  Canon also maintain their own capital intensive fabs solely for larger sensors (APS-C & full frame), which could be what is tying them into older fab technology (i.e. lower production volumes means it takes them longer to amortise the fab assets). 

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