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There is a huge void in the market created by high end art dealers.
Peter Lik, (that I have hunch fits the profile of somebody that is a part of certain community very art oriented not only visual, wealthy enough  and heavily lawyered up to) filed up that void perfectly with cheapish eye candy style kitschy product that sells well in elegant galleries to people with enough adrenaline in the blood and disposable income in the pockets but lacking taste at the same time, those are the people that have to hire a designer to tell them where to place a coffee table album in the house because can't make that decision on it own.

This is just an effect of certain circumstances that will eventually get balanced out, if his total income really approaches half a billion dollars than there is enough incentive for established art dealers to go after that market.

Ps. This may actually happen in every monopolistic markets in the world, eventually it may spread in other very tightly guarded markets, precious stones anybody?  :P

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Yes, and the only question is as always why he is the chosen one :) But, there are more artists also in different arts that are trying to go exactly the same venue, I personally knew very successful painter doing same almost by the script! If is not any weird cult thingy lets find me the name of the agent ;-)

To be honest, digital photography market is flooded with work on same or much better level than that of the Lik, not to mention his lies and pretty cheap cheesy stories behind every capture, that further cheapens real value of his work. Are marketing skills and trickery worth the premium? Well at the moment in Las Vegas and other high excitements producing places apparently it is!

Without commenting on this particular photog, shouldn't we be happy that it's possible *_at_all_* to be successful in the age of digital photography? And at least he seems to have retained a sense of humor about it ...

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While he can't deny artnet's figures and his non-existent resale market, Lik does have an excuse. "It's like a Mercedes-Benz," he said. "You drive it off the lot, it loses half its value.

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To be honest, digital photography market is flooded with work on same or much better level than that of the Lik, not to mention his lies and pretty cheap cheesy stories behind every capture, that further cheapens real value of his work. Are marketing skills and trickery worth the premium? Well at the moment in Las Vegas and other high excitements producing places apparently it is!

{edit} Just wait when the uneducated and most likely "new money" (some lawyers) clients run in to financial problems, and will try to reseal the photographs... did somebody said lawsuits?

On the side note, the iron grip virtually impossible to break by "undesired" artists of the high end art traders, galleries and museums was just asking for something like that to happen, and will happen even more often. Lets just hope that beside the most sly and cheesy, also the most talented will get the chance!  :)

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Abstract / Re: Beautiful bokeh! Let me see yours!
« on: March 02, 2015, 12:12:43 PM »
Some old model of Rebel with 100-400 I

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Canon General / Re: Spartans, What is your profession?
« on: March 02, 2015, 01:38:45 AM »
LOL. being an artist is a condition, but in my case condition that I only brought on myself for various reasons mainly because it became source of my income in critical moment of my life.

Seems like everybody here do worry about future of Canon as a leader, and about quality of Canon products, but CR apparently represents only small group of consumers mostly from developed countries like USA.  All I am saying is that you guys represent just that, rather small elite of pretty privileged people.  The point is that you will not be able to sustain Canon if everybody else including store clerks abandon it.
I would like to believe that Canon has other venues of gathering information, and CR is NOT the way to gauge general photographers needs. Most vocal members here represent no more than 5% of consumers (maybe just 1% LOL)

I believe that we should tone down our opinions here a bit and stop speaking for others about what Canon should or should not do, or what the other users, SHOULD need/like or not, and the most ridiculous how much we should pay for particular Canon products or futures.

Hope one of the Canon big executives do have the soul of a genius artist and will go with gut feelings and will revolutionize DSLR market once again to the point that the store clerks will be compelled to use credit card and buy new Canon camera models, just like they did with the 5D classic.
And our beloved corporation named Canon will prosper so you will be able to buy top of the line products without paying ridiculous premiums as a result:)





Working as professional artist my entire life. In the niche and the region that I am active, relatively accomplished and respected.

I am amazed that majority of professions here are representing group of population  using predominantly left side of the brain, and apparently pretty secure financially as well.
That probably explains why CR discussions in general seem to be detached with reality of the true market out there ;)
Honestly, I was expecting more of an artists, poets, writers or musician to be in to photography than pilots, engineers, physicists or economists :)

Now it is clear to me why we don't have here enough posts (in my humble opinion) that are able to voice large group of users that beside the logic also follow intuition, gut feelings, emotions, or trends based on whatever (mode, looks, cool factor or social demands)

As a note I like to point out that most accomplished leaders in technology were/are people claiming to listen to intuition and gut feelings beside numbers, formulas and statistics, just like Tim Cook stated only couple of weeks a go :)

I would have to be surprised of you being surprised, and for a few reasons:
1- Photography is an expensive and technical 'art form'.
2- Liberal professionals are surely more likely to state their jobs and say that they enjoy photo as a hobby than people working at the grocery store as they have less chance of feeling shy about their work. (No offence meant to store clerks as there are no bad jobs), I'm sure everyone gets the point...
3- Engineers like to say they are engineers (by the way, did you know I'm an engineer?).
4- The amount of creativity required in scientific, academic and technical careers is much higher than is usually believed, although the expression of that creativity is different than than of those perceived as artistic.
5- CR is about photographic equipment.
6- I see a lot of very emotive posts about DR, crop vs ff, color spaces and evf vs off!
And so on.

However, I'm curious about you 'working as a professional artist'. I thought being an artist was a condition you were born with, not a form of employment... ;) Ok, that's a bad joke of my part I guess...

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Canon General / Re: Spartans, What is your profession?
« on: March 01, 2015, 05:46:23 PM »
Working as professional artist my entire life. In the niche and the region that I am active, relatively accomplished and respected.

I am amazed that majority of professions here are representing group of population  using predominantly left side of the brain, and apparently pretty secure financially as well.
That probably explains why CR discussions in general seem to be detached with reality of the true market out there ;)
Honestly, I was expecting more of an artists, poets, writers or musician to be in to photography than pilots, engineers, physicists or economists :)

Now it is clear to me why we don't have here enough posts (in my humble opinion) that are able to voice large group of users that beside the logic also follow intuition, gut feelings, emotions, or trends based on whatever (mode, looks, cool factor or social demands)

As a note I like to point out that most accomplished leaders in technology were/are people claiming to listen to intuition and gut feelings beside numbers, formulas and statistics, just like Tim Cook stated only couple of weeks a go :)

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Wish making the points on CR was really important enough for me, and I will not blow this subject in to discussion about health of Canons DSLR sales with statistics and added angle of currencies market, taxes, duties and you name it scheme. To tired to deal with all the gimmick debaters artists here. I may got back to you on that in several months when 2015 numbers will be known...


I think all it means is that Canon could not sell what they clearly overproduced for holidays season in most of the world markets, since America still buy DSLR and have the highest number of wedding photographers per capita they dumped all that glut here priced to sell. End of story ;)

Maybe the wording of gray market somehow suggests that there's something shady about the business? Maybe the word "unauthorized" makes people think there's something illegitimate? Would non-authorized sound a little better? As for gray market...maybe call it green for saving some green? Or maybe pick another cheerful color like orange, then people would have different association.

I think it means the US dollar is much stronger than almost every other currency in the world and even at these seeming 'knocked down prices' the actual ¥ value realised is still everything they were realising in whatever country they were originally imported into. And, the USA consumer has a lot more disposable income than most other nations, when the 5D MkIII first came out in early 2012 it sold in the USA for $3,495 and that raised ¥190,000, now it sells for $2,000 and raises ¥237,000, the Japanese are making more money selling it for less. They could actually drop it to $1,600 and still get the original 2012 ¥ value back for it and inflation in Japan is next to zero.

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I think all it means is that Canon could not sell what they clearly overproduced for holidays season in most of the world markets, since America still buy DSLR and have the highest number of wedding photographers per capita they dumped all that glut here priced to sell. End of story ;)

Maybe the wording of gray market somehow suggests that there's something shady about the business? Maybe the word "unauthorized" makes people think there's something illegitimate? Would non-authorized sound a little better? As for gray market...maybe call it green for saving some green? Or maybe pick another cheerful color like orange, then people would have different association.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Smartphones Already Won -- Laforet
« on: February 26, 2015, 01:06:07 PM »
Unfortunately Canon as the market leader is to be blamed partially for the state of the affairs. They were on the right track with the classic 5D and than something unthinkable happened! They went the opposite way of the logic, basically catalyzing demise of DSLR for enthusiasts, amateurs and even in some cases prosumers. In the age of hard reality of surviving in the incredible hard competition from EASY and wonderful not to mention cheap technology, Canon started to cater only to low level professionals like small event photographers (wedding) or extremely high end and exclusive video market, this is laughable business move. They speed up the the process and give the momentum to the alternative technology. I know, I am here forever, reading those silly post, those strange people encouraging Canon to price them self out of the market and demanding futures that nobody really needs instead what everybody is looking for, statements like: just give me 12 fps and high ISO and I buy two of them, or yeah for that I will pay easy $5000-$6000 dollars LOL!!! It really may be to late to reverse this especially seeing all those new cameras coming full of unwanted gimmicks that failed to prove being desired so many times already, but than again if somebody on the position of a leader with such a leverage is unable to really lead than it deserve to sell security cameras and printers only, well maybe for some the dream will come true, and they will be able to own Canon cameras purely professional like the cinema models now, worth a medium size house and feel like a big shots pros... Unquestionable  support for Canon of this forum as fascinating as it is, in the end is nothing more than a house of cards build by many eloquent Canon proponents using many clever tricks also including rather harsh elbowing and humiliation. :)

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Was Ron Howard on the jury?

I wonder if it's the same guy with the mamiya as last year.

Worldwide Partners: Canon.
Doesn't make the numbers look trustworthy to me.

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Canon General / Re: Decline in DSLR sales explained
« on: February 16, 2015, 10:01:44 PM »
 :D That video puts in perspective all that bickering over DR or high ISO performance and the importance of the "SYSTEM". Canon made serious mistake when decided to listen to wedding photographers as the primary source of sales, alienating hobbyists and enthusiasts with pricing and architecture of futures available in particular price levels. If Canon's marketing department has the same attitude as the most prominent posters here that you all know who i am referring tom (same people that destroyed karma, the only form of protest or critique without being retaliated verbally for) than Canon is not even close to find solution to the crises, not with the big mugs with 50Mp printed on them anyway. I really hope somebody will learn the lessons here...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Skipping the 5D-s. What do you want in 5D4?
« on: February 15, 2015, 10:18:55 AM »
Exmor or Exmor performance rivaling sensor please. That would be good enough for the moment (next couple of months?) until something new will raise a bar again to the next level...

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EOS Bodies / Re: After a 50MP camera what is the next breakthrough?
« on: February 11, 2015, 08:23:02 AM »
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Again, this is mind-boggingly narrow sighted, to a level that almost defies belief.

For you, those are the features that are important and you are looking for.  To others, we want more megapixels over other things.  I myself want more megapixels than dynamic range or focus.  You know why?  Because I print large a lot.  I love minute details in my prints.  I've never had an issue with dynamic range that I couldn't correct by bracketing (remember, I'm talking about myself, not others).  I focus manually using live view, so improved auto focus is not important to me. 

So you need to absolutely stop making such blanket statements.  Just because this is not what you want, does not mean it is not a great product for many other people.  I won't be complaining when Canon introduces a lower megapixel, high ISO capable, premiere auto focus camera.  Why?  Well, I'm smart enough to know that even though it won't benefit me, it will benefit others.

I take it that you don't understand that this is a forum designed for people to post their *personal* opinions on Canon related topics.  That's all that is ever posted here -- a person's personal opinion/viewpoint. 

The fact that you are surprised that someone posted what they would like (an opinion) questions whether you understand the purpose of these types of internet forums.

You have the ability to post *your* opinion on the topic, as do other members of this forum.

You don't have to agree, or even understand, someone else's opinion, just like we don't have to agree, or even understand, your opinion.  But all opinions are welcome here.

No one, other than the Mods/owner of this site, has any authority to mandate what a forum member can and can't post.

"So you need to absolutely stop making such blanket statements" is really totally out of line.

Let's play nice and recognize that people have different opinions. An opinion you don't agree with is not necessarily "mind-boggingly narrow sighted, to a level that almost defies belief".

Would you like it if someone called your opinion that?

+1000

Wont even go there to analyze the SoullessPolack statements like this one:
"So you need to absolutely stop making such blanket statements" because they are screwed on so many levels, pathetic...

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: DP Review of New Canon 5Ds
« on: February 06, 2015, 08:33:48 AM »
Considering the DR, just think of it like we got two wonderful cameras offers, designed and dedicated to the High Key photography :) Any takers?

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Lenses / Re: New Rebel & EF 11-24 f/4L USM Coming Shortly
« on: January 16, 2015, 01:01:38 AM »
Alleged 11-24mm lens, that is in the extreme lens category and probably will be as popular as 8-15mm, is a nice distraction from yet another 18MP sensor Rebel.

So are the seemingly generous new additions like the wheel and top monitor which alone without better AF and bump in FPS won't directly compete with 70D sales... Not much more for what I see it.

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