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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:32:13 AM »

You see a lot of threads being started by Canon fans claiming Exmor sucks or something???  ???

No of course not, why should they lie?

Check overhead...the point just flew by  ;D

This board has a problem with people hijacking every popular thread to discuss Exmor shadow noise. The requirements for reasonable real world examples would a) chill all the extravagant claims and fantasy on the topic, and b) force the trolls to do some work meaning they would stop hijacking every thread.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:27:15 AM »
at this point I would like to see a new forum rule.

...

* Failure to comply results in ... Ban.

OMG, you are the Canon police. I knew it  8).

Now where did my badge go...???  ;D

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Over the years, the DxO overall scores for Nikon crop cameras have improved from 61 (D80) to 83 (D7100).
For the same period of time, Canon has improved from 62 (20D) to 68 (70D).
So, it's a 21-point improvement for Nikon vs 6 points for Canon (and it's the exact same story for FF cameras as well).

Quoting DxO should be an automatic lifetime ban for anyone on any forum at any time  ;D

You know what? Same for Tony Northrup.

Pretty harsh considering I would only give verbal warnings for quoting Ken Rockwell  ;D  ;D  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:22:41 AM »
Was done a thousand times on the web already.

What's up with people and reading comprehension today???  ???

I'm aware of two, and both violated this (at least): * Any converted examples (JPEGs) for forum display must include at least one pair where standard RAW converter settings are applied to each, and this pair must clearly illustrate the issue being complained about.

Turning all NR off is NOT standard.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:19:48 AM »
However, I find it really funny, that you intuitively think that only claims of Canon sensor tech being inferior constitutes "trolling" and would need to be censored...

You see a lot of threads being started by Canon fans claiming Exmor sucks or something???  ???

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:17:13 AM »
Would you (or others you believe would ascribe to this philosophy) also be willing to supply said raw files from your new 7D2, 5D4, or whatever comes along, shot as required with a lens cap on, in a totally darkened environment

Real world scene...properly exposed..."lens cap on, totally darkened environment."

Wow. Just...wow  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 02:43:23 AM »
Be careful. Saying things like that on these forums is likely to brine the Ire of the Canonites down upon you. ;P

Ire? No. But at this point I would like to see a new forum rule. Before complaining about a Canon sensor vs. any other sensor on the market, one must post RAW files in accordance with the following:

* Scene must be real world and not a contrived test scene.

* Both cameras must be shot at the same time under the same lighting conditions.

* Exposure must be optimal and correct for each sensor (which means it may or may not be the same for each sensor).

* Any converted examples (JPEGs) for forum display must include at least one pair where standard RAW converter settings are applied to each, and this pair must clearly illustrate the issue being complained about.

* The RAW files with full EXIF must be provided for download so that others may offer corrections and advice.

* Failure to comply results in either a locked thread with the reason given (i.e. "This is thread is locked because the author underexposed a black cat in a coal mine and then pushed the exposure 5+ stops in ACR with no NR"), or a deleted thread with a warning to the offender. Repeated attempts? Ban.

This would instantly kill 99% of the trolling, fantasy, and worthless chatter on the subject. But someone with legitimate testing and insight could start an interesting conversation grounded in reality.

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EOS-M / Re: Anything new on EOS-M3? How it may compare to A6000?
« on: September 04, 2014, 06:17:03 PM »
That DPAF sensor of the 70D is just begging to be used in a mirrorless camera, and the EVF-DC1 is waiting for a second camera to connect up to. The groundwork for the EOS M3 has already been laid. Will Canon put the pieces together? And if they do, will they sell it outside of the US?

My guess is they will once 70D sensor yields are sufficient. They can't abandon the mount. MILC sales are going up while DSLR sales are starting to go down. It might still be a couple years but Canon is going to have to address this and take the mirrorless market head on. If they don't cannibalize their own Rebel sales, a competitor will.

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EOS-M / Re: Anything new on EOS-M3? How it may compare to A6000?
« on: September 04, 2014, 06:14:11 PM »
kind of clunky controls when trying to do Exp comp

I can't recommend full manual exp enough when using the M. Spin the dial until your screen looks right. One click lets you swap the dial between aperture and shutter (though I wish there were two dials). Your human eye can judge exposure better then any AE meter. When you realize how often AE is less then optimal on any camera, how awkward it is to mess with exp comp, and how quickly and easily you can ETTR in LiveView, you give up the AE modes and never look back.

Shooting with my DSLRs feels clunky in terms of exposure now.

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Only a few fixed ISO settings,

??? How so? 100-12800 is pretty wide.

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That's all fine and dandy but in the Real world,  hardly of any use. Only a handful of lenses actually can resolve the details of a 36mp sensor. Forget about a 50mp sensor on that Sony glass.

That's not how resolution works. The final value is a result of the combination of all components (lens and sensor or film) and is always lower than the weakest component. But strengthening any component leads to an increase for the entire system, even if that specific component is "past" the resolution of the weakest component,  i.e. the weakest component is not a hard limit in the way you're imagining it to be.

At any rate, you can discern plenty of lenses on 24 MP APS-C sensors which means they will show an advantage on 50 MP FF.

That said, it would be difficult to see any difference between 24/36/50 MP except on the very largest prints. We're hitting the point of diminishing returns with respect to even 36" prints.

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EOS-M / Re: Anything new on EOS-M3? How it may compare to A6000?
« on: September 04, 2014, 01:22:05 AM »
Question from a newbie here.

Comparing the recent price drop on the M. Are the differences in quality really worth the additional expenses of shifting to a different system sony,fuji,olympus? Considering, that is, if one already has a number of ef lenses.

If your M+ef and efm lenses covers what you want in a mirrorless AND you're not itching for an EVF or tilt screen...then no. Well...maybe if you're looking at the Sony A7's for low light or more resolution. Otherwise, no.

For what it is the M is great. Its problem is that it's out there by itself rather then being the entry into a larger MILC ecosystem.

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Canon General / Re: Another Northrup - Canon vs. Nikon
« on: September 03, 2014, 02:28:26 PM »
I can't compete with you on technical knowledge yet I've seen far too many articles to think that every article is biased in Nikon's favour. 

They're not biased, they're just splitting hairs or...worse...concocting ridiculous tests that have nothing to do with the real world.

The Exmor 36 MP sensor is better by a small margin. To rant about it blowing away the 5D3 sensor or negating Canon FF to Facebook status...Ken Rockwell isn't that silly.

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Canon General / Re: Another Northrup - Canon vs. Nikon
« on: September 03, 2014, 02:26:24 PM »
Lifted shadows look awful with Canon.

No. They look awful when people come up with unrealistic, underexposed tests and turn off all NR. They look fine when you expose like a trained photographer for a real world scene and use a little NR.

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And resolution of D810 with a good lens is unsurpassed in FF. Guess everyone open-eyed would agree.

Except that you literally cannot tell the difference in large prints. Most of the glowing over 36 MP comes down to people not scaling the comparison image up correctly with light sharpening. I just went through this deciding which Sony A7 I want to buy. When pixel peeping you will catch differences in very fine textures, tiny patterns, and tiny high contrast details (i.e. small print).

In a 24" or 36" print? Good luck. And that's off an Epson professional printer to Hot Press Bright.

When Canon ships a higher rez sensor they need to go to 50 MP+. You need a 50% gain on each axis to matter in a print.

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Who cares about numbers or DXO-charts when something is so obvious. Just view the files!

We have. Repeatedly.

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Canon General / Re: Another Northrup - Canon vs. Nikon
« on: September 03, 2014, 10:51:41 AM »
It comes from DXO's perceptual sharpness value, aka turn all the resolution data from a lens into a single number.  The best part is that he spends 1/2 the video using those numbers as the basis for all of his comparisons and then in the second half he has a section where he looks at a specific lens, and comes to the conclusion that even though the perceptual sharpness number looked incredible for a certain lens, it turned out to be unusably soft.  Oops.

I was about to point that out. More nonsense from DxO. Rather then use industry standard tests and terminology (lpmm at MTF50 and MTF10) take a well defined, simple term and twist it into something it's not, something that is intentionally confusing for new and veteran photographers alike.

Then someone like Tony jumps on the fictitious "score" to "prove" a point. Kind of like DxO's views on DR and overall sensor scores.

Man I'm growing to hate that site.

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Canon General / Re: Another Northrup - Canon vs. Nikon
« on: September 03, 2014, 10:15:23 AM »
...cough....5DIII is a 24 MP camera body???.... :o :o ;) ???

One reason I think Kai is not the worst.

Tony needs a writer.

LOL! First time I saw Kai was when he ripped on the EOS M. Being an M fan I think I ripped on him in a forum or two...not that he would ever read it, know me, or care  :D

Watching more of his videos...I actually like him. You're not going to get in depth info there, but I think he's fair overall and practical. He even went back and was more even handed with the M after the firmware update.

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Canon General / Re: Another Northrup - Canon vs. Nikon
« on: September 03, 2014, 06:54:47 AM »
...cough....5DIII is a 24 MP camera body???.... :o :o ;) ???

No matter how good you are, there's always someone better.  I never thought I'd find someone who makes Ken Rockwell look more technically competent and less biased, but Tony's da man.

I have to shoot some photos for Facebook today...according to Tony I can go ahead and use Canon FF  ;D

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