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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 05, 2014, 08:50:10 AM »
Doesn't quoting the Princess Bride invoke Godwin's Law?

They were Nazis, Dude?

Oh, come on, they were threatening an underexposure test! Are we gonna split hairs here? Am I wrong?   ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 05, 2014, 08:38:08 AM »
Here's a challenge to anyone who feel they know their stuff: 
Meet me at a local brasserie.  I'll bring the stack of prints.  You bring your deep knowledge of "how things really are."  As I share my prints you tell me which camera and which lens made which image.

"All right. Where is the Exmor? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both mount and frame, and find out who is right... and who is dead."

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the Exmor into his own print or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the Exmor into his own print, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the print in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the print in front of me."

"You've made your decision then?"

"Not remotely. Because Exmor comes from Sony, as everyone knows, and Sony is entirely peopled with marketeers, and marketeers are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the print in front of you."

"Truly, you have a dizzying intellect."


I haven't checked this thread since my last post. Decided to go ahead and see what was on the last page. Thank you Neuro, I needed the laughs  ;D

"You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is "Never get involved in a lens debate in Asia." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sony when shadows are on the line! Ahahahaha, ahahahaha, ahahaha" -- thud

"Who are you?"

"I am no photographer to be trifled with, that is all you ever need know."

"To think -- all that time it was your print that was Exmor."

"They were both Canon. I spent the last few years building up an exposure technique immune to shadow noise."
  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:44:27 AM »
Well I guess it is the day of the anti-climatic announcement since there's no announcement yet  >:(

Once again...Sony press releases have more DR (dynamic rumors) then Canon's!!!

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:43:03 AM »
When people want to talk about it who are you to tell them not to?

I never said you shouldn't be able to talk about it.

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Ok when it´s every thread then there is maybe a little problem.

Exactly  ;D

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I am Canon user and i want to talk about it!

Question: does this mean you would like to discuss real world differences and therefore could produce RAW files as I described? Or does it mean you want a 100 page thread where people talk talk talk about imagined differences or differences never seen in the real world?  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:38:19 AM »
Or maybe you should be banned?
Just so.. because i think that´s ok?

Maybe you could get a sense of humor?  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:34:24 AM »
Yeah yeah whatever makes you sleep better.

Horse laugh.

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But what about the T-shirt? Has it to be pink or is rose ok too?

Smokescreen.

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Canon sensors are as good as Sonys.. everyone is wrong except Canon fanboys.

Straw men. (Nobody has ever claimed either.)

And you wonder why I made that post  ::)

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:32:13 AM »

You see a lot of threads being started by Canon fans claiming Exmor sucks or something???  ???

No of course not, why should they lie?

Check overhead...the point just flew by  ;D

This board has a problem with people hijacking every popular thread to discuss Exmor shadow noise. The requirements for reasonable real world examples would a) chill all the extravagant claims and fantasy on the topic, and b) force the trolls to do some work meaning they would stop hijacking every thread.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:27:15 AM »
at this point I would like to see a new forum rule.

...

* Failure to comply results in ... Ban.

OMG, you are the Canon police. I knew it  8).

Now where did my badge go...???  ;D

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Over the years, the DxO overall scores for Nikon crop cameras have improved from 61 (D80) to 83 (D7100).
For the same period of time, Canon has improved from 62 (20D) to 68 (70D).
So, it's a 21-point improvement for Nikon vs 6 points for Canon (and it's the exact same story for FF cameras as well).

Quoting DxO should be an automatic lifetime ban for anyone on any forum at any time  ;D

You know what? Same for Tony Northrup.

Pretty harsh considering I would only give verbal warnings for quoting Ken Rockwell  ;D  ;D  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:22:41 AM »
Was done a thousand times on the web already.

What's up with people and reading comprehension today???  ???

I'm aware of two, and both violated this (at least): * Any converted examples (JPEGs) for forum display must include at least one pair where standard RAW converter settings are applied to each, and this pair must clearly illustrate the issue being complained about.

Turning all NR off is NOT standard.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:19:48 AM »
However, I find it really funny, that you intuitively think that only claims of Canon sensor tech being inferior constitutes "trolling" and would need to be censored...

You see a lot of threads being started by Canon fans claiming Exmor sucks or something???  ???

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 07:17:13 AM »
Would you (or others you believe would ascribe to this philosophy) also be willing to supply said raw files from your new 7D2, 5D4, or whatever comes along, shot as required with a lens cap on, in a totally darkened environment

Real world scene...properly exposed..."lens cap on, totally darkened environment."

Wow. Just...wow  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: The day of the anti-climatic announcement
« on: September 05, 2014, 02:43:23 AM »
Be careful. Saying things like that on these forums is likely to brine the Ire of the Canonites down upon you. ;P

Ire? No. But at this point I would like to see a new forum rule. Before complaining about a Canon sensor vs. any other sensor on the market, one must post RAW files in accordance with the following:

* Scene must be real world and not a contrived test scene.

* Both cameras must be shot at the same time under the same lighting conditions.

* Exposure must be optimal and correct for each sensor (which means it may or may not be the same for each sensor).

* Any converted examples (JPEGs) for forum display must include at least one pair where standard RAW converter settings are applied to each, and this pair must clearly illustrate the issue being complained about.

* The RAW files with full EXIF must be provided for download so that others may offer corrections and advice.

* Failure to comply results in either a locked thread with the reason given (i.e. "This is thread is locked because the author underexposed a black cat in a coal mine and then pushed the exposure 5+ stops in ACR with no NR"), or a deleted thread with a warning to the offender. Repeated attempts? Ban.

This would instantly kill 99% of the trolling, fantasy, and worthless chatter on the subject. But someone with legitimate testing and insight could start an interesting conversation grounded in reality.

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EOS-M / Re: Anything new on EOS-M3? How it may compare to A6000?
« on: September 04, 2014, 06:17:03 PM »
That DPAF sensor of the 70D is just begging to be used in a mirrorless camera, and the EVF-DC1 is waiting for a second camera to connect up to. The groundwork for the EOS M3 has already been laid. Will Canon put the pieces together? And if they do, will they sell it outside of the US?

My guess is they will once 70D sensor yields are sufficient. They can't abandon the mount. MILC sales are going up while DSLR sales are starting to go down. It might still be a couple years but Canon is going to have to address this and take the mirrorless market head on. If they don't cannibalize their own Rebel sales, a competitor will.

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EOS-M / Re: Anything new on EOS-M3? How it may compare to A6000?
« on: September 04, 2014, 06:14:11 PM »
kind of clunky controls when trying to do Exp comp

I can't recommend full manual exp enough when using the M. Spin the dial until your screen looks right. One click lets you swap the dial between aperture and shutter (though I wish there were two dials). Your human eye can judge exposure better then any AE meter. When you realize how often AE is less then optimal on any camera, how awkward it is to mess with exp comp, and how quickly and easily you can ETTR in LiveView, you give up the AE modes and never look back.

Shooting with my DSLRs feels clunky in terms of exposure now.

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Only a few fixed ISO settings,

??? How so? 100-12800 is pretty wide.

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That's all fine and dandy but in the Real world,  hardly of any use. Only a handful of lenses actually can resolve the details of a 36mp sensor. Forget about a 50mp sensor on that Sony glass.

That's not how resolution works. The final value is a result of the combination of all components (lens and sensor or film) and is always lower than the weakest component. But strengthening any component leads to an increase for the entire system, even if that specific component is "past" the resolution of the weakest component,  i.e. the weakest component is not a hard limit in the way you're imagining it to be.

At any rate, you can discern plenty of lenses on 24 MP APS-C sensors which means they will show an advantage on 50 MP FF.

That said, it would be difficult to see any difference between 24/36/50 MP except on the very largest prints. We're hitting the point of diminishing returns with respect to even 36" prints.

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