And when Fred posted same shots, same time, same cam and showed a big difference then you just had more excuses for why the differnce was not really there.
Fred who? Miranda? When you use NR on the Canon RAW the difference is inconsequential. While pixel peeping the hard pushed sample the Nikon file had a little more detail and less noise. But the actual DR range was the same, and you would be hard pressed to notice detail/noise differences even in a large print. Especially since the scene was artificial as you would never push the shadows that hard in that example.
Your side by side redwood examples that are evidence for your conclusion of a 2-3 stop shortfall, please. Because absent those you are wasting everyone's time.
Yeah artificial. Right.
In that case, yes. Pushing shadows that hard...with no NR...might be fun in order to see differences in the shadows, but the entire scene becomes a blown out mess. That's not how you would actually prepare an image for print.
So the times people actually do bother to take the same shot the same way are artificial
No. The times people do things they WOULD NEVER DO WITH A REAL WORLD PHOTOGRAPH like turn off all NR, push a properly exposed photo 5 stops, or severely underexpose a photo then push it 5 stops with no NR, are artificial because YOU WOULD NEVER DO THAT WITH A REAL WORLD PHOTOGRAPH.
So where is the real world photograph comparison? Where is the optimum exposure and processing to produce the best possible artistic print from each sensor? I would like to see that. I would like to see if Canon is "2-3 stops behind" in that case. (It wasn't in the FM case. Roughly the same DR, maybe 1 stop less shadow latitude.)
You have that test ready yet?
And sure, apply NR and this and that to the Canon file and THEN compare it to the Exmor, that is really fare (plus it still looks like junk in comparison anyway and lots of details are not there, even if the smoothness is much closer at that point).
Best possible print is fair because that's what real photographers do when producing real photographs for real clients as opposed to sitting in a room measurebating. And the difference in the FM test was not nearly as dramatic as any of you make the differences to be. Yes, the Exmor sensor had better shadow latitude. No doubt. Just not enough to really matter.
Now it might make a noticeable difference in some scenes. If I wanted to play devil's advocate I bet I could illustrate in a real world scene where it would be noticeable. But I could still get the shot with the Canon with a little work. But the DRoners...the DRoners seem incapable of actually showing where it matters at all.