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EOS Bodies / Re: Upgrading from 5d... 1ds2 or 5d2
« on: December 21, 2011, 07:43:22 AM »
Thanks again!

I think you guys have convinced me 1ds2 vs 5d2 comparison; there seems to be consensus, however on the pricing aspect; I feel; though the 1ds is older; it will depreciate less than the 5d2 when the 5d3 is announced.

What about the IQ compared to the 5d, is the 1ds ISO performance silimar? For me 400is max I go with my 5d, at 800 it needs a loy of PP, beyond that I lose too much detail.

EOS Bodies / Re: Upgrading from 5d... 1ds2 or 5d2
« on: December 20, 2011, 08:50:52 PM »
B&H is selling a 5D Mark II bundle for only $1999 -- it's a great choice at a great price (I paid $2700 nearly 3 years ago).  With the included SanDisk 16GB Extreme Pro CF and free shipping, it's a no-brainer.  Stop waiting and go get it!  :)

I'm waiting to get on this deal..... I have to wait until 1/3 to order so I get the tax write off, do you think the sale will last that long?  I hope so!!

I think you might snag it till then... I read somewhere about one of these Canon sales going on till Jan 7th  :)

Canon General / Re: Missing lenses on Canon Refurb Site
« on: December 20, 2011, 01:57:29 PM »
I would not read too much into it...As long as a lens is actively sold by Canon, it should be on that list... e.g. 70-200 f4L... since they must get returns all the time...   seems like someone needs to do some web content clean-up.

who cares what others call you or what annoys them.. do what pleases you.. live your life for yourself and not for the gratification of others...

-1.  I have no idea what the cultural implications of this are in Malaysia, but simply telling someone to do whatever they want without a broader context is selfish and short-sighted.

+1:  I was thinking the same... there's a reason why the OP posted the question, he is looking for rationale or a justification of sorts. It's important for him...

EOS Bodies / Re: Upgrading from 5d... 1ds2 or 5d2
« on: December 20, 2011, 01:15:30 PM »

PS: finally a thread regarding the 5d2 not related to "5d2 or 5d3?!?" or "should I wait?!?" LOOOOL....if you need FF make the jump now...sorry for the little rant LOL

Thanks for all the replies especially yours Jack.

You are right, my next question would have been get 5d2 now or wait... I guess I will go read up the other thread. Another reason for me to get a 5d2 is Magic Lantern (it has controls for AEB) and that it will be another year or so till they get a version for the 5d3... as it is Canon locked the Firmware in the 7d.

EOS Bodies / Upgrading from 5d... 1ds2 or 5d2
« on: December 20, 2011, 11:40:27 AM »

I have been wondering what to upgrade next from my 5D. I am looking for the following:

1) Better ISO performance Primarily
2) 7 AEB in Burst is a nice to have

I don't care about big jumps in MP or Video.  The used prices of the 5d2 and the 1Ds2 are not far off. Which one should I consider and why? Thanks!!

Site Information / Re: Applaud or smite?
« on: December 20, 2011, 08:35:58 AM »
Great posts!

1 )Perhaps when smiting (or applauding) the "judger" needs to assign a reason; that's how feedback becomes constructive.
2) The smite/applaud should be linked to a post; this way we all know what was objectionable or worthy.
3) There should be a tracker of how we as anonymous people leave smites or applauds for others (just a simple karma like counter of how we judged others behind their backs).

My personal rule(s),

1 smite for every 10 applauds... and not more!
Never smite for a disagreement of a point of view provided it was done respectfully
Always smite bullying!

I'd say that you don't even have to put "amateur" or "hobbyist" in front.

In my mind almost everyone who takes photos is a photographer. If you make your living with photography, I'd probably say "professional photographer".

+1: Technically:  Anyone who takes photos is a Photographer; but the generic = Professional Photographer, i.e. one who makes a living from it, or is good enough to charge people. So it is contexual.. and often needs qualifications depending on whom you speak to.

EOS Bodies / Re: Whortwhile to go for 5D Mark II?
« on: December 19, 2011, 05:10:03 PM »
..... manipulate the focal plane to go vertically rather than horizontal or every which way, but that's another topic for another day.

Haha Rhyming man.  :)

 I guess I never took group shots with people in multiple rows, mine are usually in 1 line with my 24-105F4 and with that I never have such problems at the distance I shoot them from.

EOS Bodies / Re: Earthshatteringly Disappointed With 7D
« on: December 19, 2011, 05:03:49 PM »
I'm coming to this discussion late, but thought I'd offer my experience.  I bought a 7D early in 2011 to supplement my 5D classic. 

There is no doubt that the 7D is a much faster handling camera than the 5D or I believe the 5D II.  That's why I bought it.  I always shoot RAW and use various programs for post processing.  I typically shoot at ISO 100 or 200.

I had quite a bit of trouble getting images that I liked from the 7D at first.  The images are definitely different than what my 5D classic produces.  There is more detail, due to the additional megapixels, but there is also more noise.  I had to get used to using more noise reduction for my RAW files and less sharpening.  (Of course sharpening depends on the lens and other factors too.)

I decided to keep the 7D as a sports/action type camera, since the 5D is certainly not good for those subjects.  I got the 7D as a refurb through the Canon Loyalty program so it was not terribly expensive.

Working with the 7D has made me really appreciate the image quality of the 5D.  It's hard to describe exactly what it is that I like, but I will note that I can manipulate the tone curves a lot before the image starts to break down - much more so than with the 7D


Hi Mike; This is great information since mostly people compare the 7d to the 5d2, and not to the 5dc.. Since I own a 5dc, and was considering a 7d, I wanted someone's experience with these 2 Cameras and always wanted to ask someone if I would see an improvement in IQ if i got the 7d after I already use the 5D.  I mostly do scenery/street/people. Not so into sports/action yet, but the extra reach of the 7d (APS-C +higher pixel density) always made me think about it  ... any thoughts from you on the 7d/5d noise & IQ would be helpful !!

EOS Bodies / Re: Whortwhile to go for 5D Mark II?
« on: December 19, 2011, 04:52:37 PM »
Thanks... and the fact that I almost always use Center point AF is why I never found the AF to be bad... by the way; is the 5d2 Af better than the 5Dc or are they the same (especially for Center).

The AF sensor is identical - Canon reused the same sensor from the 5D in the 5DII.  But the 5DII uses Digic 4, whereas the 5D used Digic 2 - the newer and faster processor in the 5DII means the AF is slightly faster.
So then with that said, how can you take a group portrait using the center point only for focusing on the 5D11?  If that's the case, then everone off center will be out of focus...

Well everything not on the same focal plane as what was focused upon from the center point... But then again that's where you use a smaller f-stop and try to get everyone in focus assuming that's what you want...

Thanks for your responses: Awin/John & Brian

Interesting.. never ran into this issue  ;D... now I will look out for it... but in this scenario, by focal plane, do you mean a straight line horizonal (along which the group is standing;  gets all in focus, or is the plane sort of semi-circular so that all points are equi-distant to the lens?

EOS Bodies / Re: Earthshatteringly Disappointed With 7D
« on: December 19, 2011, 04:47:20 PM »
saving up for your 1dx?  :)

Cash in hand, just waiting for B&H to start accepting pre-orders.   ;D

Lucky Man!

I got a 180L Macro for $910 a few weeks ago.  Was in great shape and am VERY happy with that one.


Exc cond used 180mmL $899
70-200f2.8mk.II $1974 New
24-105f4L $899  New (kit version though)  Got it 3-4 months back before the current great sale prices

EOS Bodies / Re: Whortwhile to go for 5D Mark II?
« on: December 19, 2011, 03:19:30 PM »
If you centre spot the AF on the 5DII then you  will get accurate AF. It is the focus points outside the center which are not good in low light and also the area the the A points cover is less than the 7D

In hindsight buying the 7D was a mistake as the IQ of the image is nowhere as good as the 7D, plus the bokeh is very poor. The 7D will get more in forcus pictures but none of them will be as good as the in focus 5DII picture

Thanks... and the fact that I almost always use Center point AF is why I never found the AF to be bad... by the way; is the 5d2 Af better than the 5Dc or are they the same (especially for Center).

EOS Bodies / Re: Whortwhile to go for 5D Mark II?
« on: December 19, 2011, 01:43:00 PM »
I got the 5d2 because I was sick and tired of waiting for the 5d3...  going from a 7d to the 5d2 has been very humbling with the autofocus... Quality of file, when in focus, is great, but my lord, the AF in the 5d2 is like putting an Hyundai engine inside a Ferrari... It's truely a shame and I will be liquidating mine once the 5d3 comes out assuming it has better AF...

I am relatively new to the game and photography is a hobby for me... so new that I usually center spot AF my shots (unless I macro, then I MF) . When I hear many people not liking the AF of the 5D2, I cannot understand why (not because I offer a competing perspective, but simply because I do not know better): I am learning yes... but ; can anyone dumb this down for me... how exactly is the AF on the 5D2 not up to what you guys want? Is it just plain accuracy, or slow AF, or the processor's inability to set a multi point focus by increasing DoF or what?

The answer to this might help me make a decision on the 5d2 or 5d3 or even 7d just like the OP.

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