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Macro / Re: Water macro
« on: January 23, 2012, 12:44:48 PM »
Here's another one I did today

Is this image inverted?  It looks to my highly untrained eye like the pencil is actually underwater and the surface is at the bottom of the image.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: What makes a photographer, a photographer?
« on: January 21, 2012, 10:22:50 AM »
If you want to be a photographer in Iceland:

"Working as a photographer or calling oneself a photographer requires a masters degree in photography from the Reykjavík Technical College, or a similar degree from another industry-based school in Iceland"

Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography_and_the_law#cite_ref-50


Wow.  That is nuts.  What are the requirements for other hobbies e.g. cycling, gardening, fishing?

Site Information / Re: a thank you letter to Canon Rumors
« on: January 20, 2012, 10:54:07 AM »
Fundamentally Piracy in the digital domain was born because of the price fixing and price gouging the media companies have monopolised for decades.

The problem I have with this is
  • It's still stealing.
  • We're talking about entertainment, not life necessities.

Any justifcation to steal something that is not food or medicine isn't going to sway me.  If the price is too high, then gee, you're just outta luck. 

I'd like a boat, but the price is too high--does that mean I should steal one and justify it because of price fixing and price gouging?  I know what it cost to build a boat, and those prices are highway robbery!

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: What makes a photographer, a photographer?
« on: January 20, 2012, 10:45:06 AM »
Seems like we have 2 threads:  "Who's THE photographer?" and "Who's A photographer?"

So as far as who's THE photographer (or at least who owns the rights to be picture)...

Maybe someone can answer this question based on real life experience: you are employed/contracted to take pictures (say by Life magazine to piggy back on another posting) and they paid your expenses to the event and told you to take pictures.  You do so.  Does Life magazine own those pictures or do you?  Probably this have been defined by the contract of employment, but if it wasn't then what's the legal precedent?

I know in the software world, the company that hired you to write the software owns it, and not you.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 1D X tethered via LAN?
« on: January 18, 2012, 04:56:06 PM »
Not exactly on topic, but not far enough off that I thought it worth starting a new thread:

Does anyone have a tethered (or wifi) workflow that they're using or can recommend a source for working out details?

What I'm envisioning is while at...say a triathlon...there is a photographer shooting the swim, one on the bike and one on the run.  But meanwhile back at the finish line there sits a nice big screen TV with a slideshow running thru real-time captured photos so everyone can stand around watching for pictures of themselves (and then buy a few.   ;) )

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: What makes a photographer, a photographer?
« on: January 18, 2012, 04:21:31 PM »
Settings and the equipment do not make you a photographer.  When there was no digital photography with L lenses and the ID XXX, great photographs were taken.  It's the ability to see, invision the image, how the image is lit and then use the tools (cameras, lenses, equipment) to translate that image you have in your mind into a photograph.  You have to be very knowledgeable about how your equipment works and the lenses you have because it is that knowledge will allow you to select the right lens, the camera and the right light to capture that image that you see in your mind.  In my opinion, that makes a photographer, a photographer.

So...photojournalists are not photographers?

The only wrath I fear from my better half is not letting her get the more expensive lens for her camera first.

But surely you both shoot Canon... so what's yours is hers, no?  And what's hers is hers, yes?

Yes (I'm in the same boat) but then we end up arguing who gets to use which lens!   :o

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: What makes a photographer, a photographer?
« on: January 18, 2012, 04:04:30 PM »
Hmmm...the legal ownership would definitely take this thread in a different direction than I was going to take it.

I have the same question as to what makes a photographer, and how is it different from cameraman or artist?

There are inevitably posts about "learn to use your camera" in various threads.  Does that make you a better photographer or simply a better cameraman? 

Although I don't have any actual first hand experience in the video world, it seems to be that the director controls the "vision", the director of photography controls the detail, the camerman holds the actual camera, and the editor puts it all together after the fact.  All of these elements are involved in "photography" but does one have to be good at all of them to be a photographer?  Or is it simply the quality of the final output? 

What if you suck with your camera but manage to take enough photos that some good ones turn out (and you can identify which ones they are.)  Or what if none of them are any good out of the camera, but you're a photoshop whiz and make something awesome after the fact?  What if you just happen to be in the right place at the right time and can recognize that it's a photo-worthy moment and by luck capture it with a camera?

Site Information / Re: a thank you letter to Canon Rumors
« on: January 18, 2012, 03:55:59 PM »
But it is time to bring some balance to the Internet.

Recall the Jedi prophecy that a Chosen One would come and bring balance to the Force.  Of course, the foolish Jedi Council didn't think that one through to it's logical conclusion - since they were in ascendance, 'balance' could only come with a gain in power by the Dark Side at the expense of a loss of power (and ultimately, lives) of the Jedi Council.  They asked for Balance, they got Darth Vader and the destruction of the Council.  Be careful what you ask for... 

Wikipedia may be blacked out for the day, but Wookieepedia is up and running.   :P

+1.  Excellent in both analogy and reference material!   ;D

Site Information / Re: a thank you letter to Canon Rumors
« on: January 18, 2012, 02:40:45 PM »
Ya know, I'm not a fan of SOPA and PIPA either, but the haste with which we are propelling ourselves towards our own doom amazes me.  I'm not that terribly old, and I still remember that life actually could go on without the internet at all.

Don't get me wrong, the internet is a handy tool, but there's a whole lot of "all your eggs in one basket" these days.  WHEN (not if) the internet comes crashing down (no, I'm not looking for a technical discussion on the redundancies and failsafes) we will be in the dark ages because you can neither buy anything with a credit card nor get cash from your bank because they can't validate your balance.  You won't be able to buy a book because there's no local amazon, and no one will have any idea how to get anywhere because Google maps and their GPS's don't work.

That's the reason I still prefer to own DVDs and games and not just stream them.  I like having a physical photo album and not just a website or flickr account.  So if SOPA or PIPA or their long lost cousin eventually sucks the life out of the internet, life can still go on.

<<donning flame-proof suit>> 

EOS Bodies / Re: DSLRs are a dying breed, EVIL is the future!
« on: January 13, 2012, 03:44:42 PM »
Can't we stop these childish and idiotic troll messages?

I agree: archangelrichard can you please not post childish and idiotic troll messages (as indicated by the insults and name calling.)

Site Information / Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« on: January 13, 2012, 03:00:33 PM »
Just an observation (I am not agreeing nor disagreeing) -- It's just more like FB, Google+, Yelp kind of thing where "Like", "+", or "Useful" are allowed at a thread's / post's level but not at a user level.

Doing it by post is fine (or maybe even more gooder!), but again only having positive makes it pointless.

E.g.: "27 people like this!"  Well, 27out of 28 is impressive, 27 out of 10000 is not, but with such a system you have no idea how many people absolutely despise it despite the 27 kooks that like it.

Site Information / Re: Should karma remain on the forum?
« on: January 13, 2012, 11:17:38 AM »
Whether or not a result of the karma system, this is one of the most civil forums I've ever been a part of (or even lurked on.)  I suspect the karma does play at least a role in that.

And now to up my bad karma...

I vehemently disagree on the positive only concept.  It's "hey, we're all good, just some gooder than others."  If you've spent more than 3 minutes on the internet, you are well aware that there are a great number of people who love the anonymity it provides simply to stir up disention and boost their own fragile egos by belittling others, practicing their swearing, and making off-color jokes.  If we can't smite those people, then they just get included in the positive karma love-fest and we all pay the price.

So if we're going to have karma--which does seem to serve it's purpose--then it has to have both good and bad.

Site Information / Re: Karma
« on: January 06, 2012, 05:48:03 PM »
Anyone thinks the Karma is annoying and serves no purpose?

I find it rather amusing but it doesn't serve acheive anything except perhaps put off people saying their mind if they feel they are in the minority (which may of course be the silent majority) for fear of being smitten

Dead-on in my case.  I usually re-edit over and over and just end up deleting and basically don't have any 'fun' slant to things I say anymore.

I console myself with the fact that there's a poster here who's opinion I value and can see *NO* reason for them to have negatives (never mean, when they're wrong, they concede) and they have more than a few.

It's a silly system.

Or you could just wait until your grumpy, and then you don't care nearly so much as to whom you might offend.   ;D

Ah, I think I get your point.  You mean if I take pictures then I am a photographer.  Is that what you mean?

Bingo!  Although actually I think I would say if you have a hobby of or otherwise pursue photography you're a photographer.  There are lots of people that "take pictures" that I personally would not consider photographers.  Just like cycling--there are lot of people that ride bicycles that are not cyclists, but also many, many cyclists that are not professional.

I think it's just different social interpretation of "photographer" in each country / region.  In my country, it's more like a job.  It's exactly like what Oxford Dictionary describes (http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/photographer?q=photographer).

There definitely appears to be regional discrepancies.  But notice the definition in your link says "especially as a job", not "specifically as a job"--big difference.

Let me tell you my experience to understand my perspective.  My wife IS a photographer.  I'm a cyclist.  Last year my cycling team sponsored a race and asked if anyone could help take pictures.  Having access to my wife's L glass, I said, sure I can give 'er a go.  Showed up, pushed buttons and turned dials and had a grand ol' time.  We put them on our team's website, and all the sudden we were getting emails of "Can I buy that picture?"  Being generally opposed to turning down money, next thing I knew I had an extra $1000 in my account. 

So am I a photographer?  I certainly haven't quit my day job, and there's a whole lot about photography I don't know.  (Lighting?  Isn't that what the sun is for??   :o)     But I enjoy it, and if people are offering me money to take pictures I'm not likely to turn them down.  So I'd say it's kinda ambiguous at best.

BTW, I do use my DSLR to shoot landscape and street-snapshot.  But at the same time I collect cameras too so I am a collector too.   ;)

Haha!  I hadn't even thought of collector.  Landscape?  That's turning the piece of paper sideways, right?   ;D

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