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Thanks for that thepancakeman, looking at the business perspective, a professional is still people who earn 100% from photography and this is also described by CPS Asia (Canon Professional Service Asia) if you want to join them. I did some seach to find something that support their statement and what I can say is :

1. I love and learn to improve in photography = I'm a photographer

2. I earn 100% in photography = I'm a professional photographer*

3. I earn 50% (or less) in photography = I'm a amateur photographer*

4. I just "point and shoot" and I owned EOS-1Dx = I'm a cameraman**

I know that that is no law to define yourself as a photographer, but I just agree with some of you guys (as Jim Lai also write in his article**), if we are willingly to improve and make a progress in photography, so it is proper to call youself a photographer, isn't it???

For their purposes they have to define specific requirements, but there are still easy examples that make it laughable.  Option 3--I am an "amateur photographer" because I only make $200,000 a year doing photography but happen to have an investment portfolio that nets me $300,000 a year.  RRRIIIIIGGGHHHHT.

(BTW, that is a theoretical example, not my personal situation.   :'()

Lenses / Re: New lenses for me
« on: December 22, 2011, 10:34:51 AM »
Depends on what and how you like to shoot.  On APS-C bodies, my wife never takes off the 24-105, but I almost never take off the 70-200.  Of course I'm mostly shooting outdoors; it can definitely get a little tight inside.  Our 70-200 is the f/2.8 which reduces the need for IS for most of the time, but trying to catch some shots at my brother's graduation last weekend was pretty much impossible without the IS.

EOS Bodies / Re: Do I need a better camera or a better pair of hands?
« on: December 22, 2011, 10:17:30 AM »
Watch out for too shallow DOF ( #3 )

I actually like the shallow DOF on #3...

I think the keyword here is "too"--the shallow DoF is nice, but a half inch to an inch so deeper might be a little better effect, IMHO.  Hard to say for sure without comparing directly.  When I'm uncertain with this kind of shot, I'll just shoot 2 frames with the second one stopped down a bit and then I can decide which is better after the fact.  Of course this could just be do to my lack of experience.

Site Information / Re: Applaud or smite?
« on: December 22, 2011, 10:05:48 AM »
Quick, somebody smite me for voting without carefully reading all the options :)

Should we ask the mods to allow for self-smiting?  (While obviously disallowing self-applause...)


Just because this is such a fun discussion already highlighting the vagaries of the english language.

Some of the definitions of 'professional':
  • Engaged in one of the learned professions
  • Exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner
  • Following a line of conduct as though it were a profession

And a 'profession' is?
  • A calling requiring specialized knowledge and often long and intensive academic preparation
  • A principal calling, vocation, or employment

And a calling is?
  • A strong inner impulse toward a particular course of action especially when accompanied by conviction of divine influence
  • The vocation or profession in which one customarily engages.

So setting aside the fact that a profession is a calling which is a profession we should all be quite clear now on who is a "professional photographer" right?   :o ??? ;D :-\

United States / Re: B&H Warranty
« on: December 20, 2011, 04:09:58 PM »
Cool, thanks again guys.  In a little over 1 year, my 60D has ZERO sign of use after 4400 photos; I'm neurotic about keeping my stuff in pristine shape. 

Sheesh, 4400 photos is just a long afternoon for me.  It's easy to keep stuff in pristine shape when you don't use it!   ;)

Canon General / Re: Missing lenses on Canon Refurb Site
« on: December 20, 2011, 04:04:41 PM »
I'd say this is a sign of new lenses, but I'm not sure I'm buying it. After all, the 50D is still listed on the refurbished camera site. Just thought I'd note this and encourage some speculation. We certainly speculate about a lot of goofier things here.

I'm somewhat inclined to agree--it seems strange that what appears to be just the 70-200 f/4 lenses have disappeared off the list, considering that we have other rumors saying that new one(s?) are coming out.

But we NEVER speculate about goofy stuff.   ::)

who cares what others call you or what annoys them.. do what pleases you.. live your life for yourself and not for the gratification of others...

-1.  I have no idea what the cultural implications of this are in Malaysia, but simply telling someone to do whatever they want without a broader context is selfish and short-sighted.

Lens Giveaway Contest / Re: Contest Announcement!
« on: December 20, 2011, 12:48:24 PM »
Oh, man!  The landscape finalist shots are all unbelievable!  Nice work folks!

While I can see both sides of the issue, I am hard pressed to call my 4 year old a photographer even though he has a camera and takes pictures.  If you google the definition of photographer, most of the hits at least mention "professional" or "as a business."

Take some other examples, many people own guitars but would not be considered guitarists or own bikes but are not considered cyclists.  I own an oven but I'm pretty sure I'm not a chef!  As Axilrod says, if everyone who owns a camera (which is most people) is a photographer, it devalues the term.

However I also do not think that you need to be a professional to use the term.  IMHO, anyone who pursues the craft of taking pictures is probably a photographer, but even a few of those devalue the term.   :o

Excellent camera work. Very impressive video. But...no real story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very impressed with the quality of the production. I just think you need to ask yourself what you are trying to say. What does this tell us about the freerunners? What motivates them? What do they look for to challenge them? What risks do they face (physical injury, arrest, etc .)

This moves too slowly and is too long for just a video set to music and it's very hard to tell a story without some voice overs or interviews. I don't want to impose my vision on you, but I do think that re-cutting this to include some interviews and voice-overs could result in a prize-winning short film. I want to know why these guys do this. I want to see them taping on the bandages after a bad fall. I want to see his mom saying "Johnny has been jumping and climbing since he was nine months old. I remember the time I came home and he'd pulled down the curtain rod trying to climb the wall." 

You get the idea. You've got the video skills down. Now make us care about these guys.

Hmm, interesting ideas indeed. I would really want to know what motivates them for instance. ;)

After reading this thread, but before watching the video my thought was "I don't want to see interviews"--but in this particular case they could add something.  Other options that could add interest would be simply textually noting things of interest in the video.  For example, do the moves have names you could note, put a caption with some of the distances on there, what makes certain moves harder or more interesting (that might not be obvious to the casual viewer.)  Are any of the jumps a new achievement or record for the jumper?  I would have to believe that there are failed attempts as well, maybe show a few of those before the success of a particularly challenging jump to show that it's not as easy as it looks.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Fuji X10 or X100?
« on: December 19, 2011, 04:49:06 PM »
In my opinion, the X100 is a clear choice for its large image sensor, and since I mostly shoot street photography, I don't really need a zoom lens.

The rest of my post is a warning. I'm traveling with my X100 right now, and it just got the infamous sticky blades issue. A few seconds before leaving my house, I unpacked my T2i, because I decided to travel light :( So now I don't have a working camera. Feel free to smite me for this, because I fully deserve it :(

I was just going to post this image, but wasn't sure how that worked re: copyright, so here's a link:


Street & City / Re: My First Long exposure - city
« on: December 19, 2011, 04:40:17 PM »
Excellent shots!  I agree that the second one is the stronger image, but the first one is not bad either, and could certainly hold it's own depending on what you're trying to express/show/use it for.

I don't know the techincal term--perhaps barrel distortion?--the the first one has a tallish building (3 floors?) that is clearly leaning into the photo.  In addition, what I'm guessing is downtown (the lightest section of the city, about the 2nd quarter of the photo from the left) is--or appears to be--tilted up a couple of degrees which makes it feel unbalanced to me.  But nice work--better than what I can do!

EOS Bodies / Focal plane and focus
« on: December 19, 2011, 04:29:35 PM »
This has come up in a few different threads, and I thought it probably deserved its own.

Am I correct in understanding that the focus is actually to a plane and not a sphere/distance? 

So if I'm taking a picture of a big group of people but they're all lined up along a wall perpindicular to me, they'll all be in focus even wide open?  And conversely, if there are a buch of items equidistant from the lens, most will be out of focus except for the one(s) that defined the plane of focus?   ???

EOS Bodies / Re: Earthshatteringly Disappointed With 7D
« on: December 19, 2011, 11:29:38 AM »
“Data! Data! Data!...I can’t make bricks without clay.”  (Sherlock Holmes)


Since when did Star Trek the Next Generation encounter Sherlock Holmes??? 

And wasn't it Bones McCoy "I'm a Doctor... Not a brick layer"

All this confusing and mis-matching sci-fi has me befuddled!

+1.  Almost any Star Trek reference is going to get an applause from me.   ;D 

And actually ST:TNG did have encounters with Mr. Holmes: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes

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