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Canon General / Re: Canon EOS 1D X Possible Press Release
« on: October 17, 2011, 10:59:12 PM »
While most people are trying to go wireless, Canon gives us a wired network system?  Seems odd...  can you imagine a bunch of 100+ yard ethernet cables cluttering the sidelines of a football field?  Not to mention that I think it would be rather cumbersome to manipulate a camera with a giant cat6 cable sticking out the side.

Yeah that couldn't work at the sidelines... the photographers move around a fair bit.  Perhaps their intent is that a Gigabit ethernet connection gives super fast image download in the press center rather than actually shooting with the cable attached?

I think you guys all forget that pretty much all pro STUDIO work usually means the camera is wired to a laptop or computer. Just because there is a new feature doesn't mean it's geared to every single use of a camera.

Ethernet technology in a wireless society just to serve studio applications still makes no sense in the broader picture. Including an ethernet port on a camera requires a sizable commitment in both on board technology and port space...I just can't see stepping backwards for this function.... :)

That's a good point also.  Adding an extra port (a fairly large one at that) and a comm protocol is strange.  As for speed, USB 3.0 is 5 times faster than Gigabit Ethernet... do I have that right?

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Canon General / Re: Canon EOS 1D X Possible Press Release
« on: October 17, 2011, 10:51:04 PM »
While most people are trying to go wireless, Canon gives us a wired network system?  Seems odd...  can you imagine a bunch of 100+ yard ethernet cables cluttering the sidelines of a football field?  Not to mention that I think it would be rather cumbersome to manipulate a camera with a giant cat6 cable sticking out the side.

Yeah that couldn't work at the sidelines... the photographers move around a fair bit.  Perhaps their intent is that a Gigabit ethernet connection gives super fast image download in the press center rather than actually shooting with the cable attached?

I think you guys all forget that pretty much all pro STUDIO work usually means the camera is wired to a laptop or computer. Just because there is a new feature doesn't mean it's geared to every single use of a camera.

Good point.  The "possible press release" made a reference to sporting arenas equipped with wired LAN so naturally that's where the mind goes.

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Canon General / Re: Canon EOS 1D X Possible Press Release
« on: October 17, 2011, 10:48:38 PM »
It appears it could be true, if you take a look at the following press release on the Canon site it makes mention of the EOS-1D X with the same release date:

http://www.canon.com/news/2011/oct18e.html


Yeah, that does help with this a lot, but some of the specs are still strange, so someone could have made up some specs to throw in. At least we know the name of it :) Just have to see if the specs are right.


Good call!  Maybe someone read the Canon release about the name and plugged in the rumoured specs!!!

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Canon General / Re: Canon EOS 1D X Possible Press Release
« on: October 17, 2011, 10:43:40 PM »
While most people are trying to go wireless, Canon gives us a wired network system?  Seems odd...  can you imagine a bunch of 100+ yard ethernet cables cluttering the sidelines of a football field?  Not to mention that I think it would be rather cumbersome to manipulate a camera with a giant cat6 cable sticking out the side.

Yeah that couldn't work at the sidelines... the photographers move around a fair bit.  Perhaps their intent is that a Gigabit ethernet connection gives super fast image download in the press center rather than actually shooting with the cable attached?

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Canon General / Re: Canon EOS 1D X Possible Press Release
« on: October 17, 2011, 10:38:12 PM »
...and why does the 4th paragraph refer to a Digic 4 processor .... I thought this was Digic 5

The reference to DIGIC4 is just for the AE (and maybe the AF?) system.   The camera operating system and image processing is done by dual DIGIC 5+.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The New EOS [CR3]
« on: October 17, 2011, 10:01:58 PM »
2.5 hours to go!

what time is it suppose to start? noon SGT?

If it's going to start at 0400 UTC/GMT (ie in another 2:15) as has apparently been tradition, that makes it 1200 Singapore time, 1430 Aussie time (the parts of Aus that matter anyway), 1300 Tokyo Time, 0600 Western Europe (Berlin time), midnight New York, 9pm monday in LA, etc.

Yes, i'm so bored waiting for this that i've been messing around on timeanddate.com.

LOL I was just on there as well.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The New EOS [CR3]
« on: October 17, 2011, 10:01:29 PM »
BTW, for those interested in when this announcement will actually be, I could not find any references online to a time but in the past almost all of Canon's major DSLR announcements have come at 04:00 GMT.  The only exception was the 1D4 which came at 08:30 GMT - at least according to DPReview.

Sounds like the right time to me. It will be 0:00 EST so that would be all 7 continents on 10/18/11.

That could be part of their consideration... by 0:00 EST at least part of North America will be on to the 18th.  They could wait 3 more hours, 4pm Japan time, so that all of the Continental US is on the 18th but then they wouldn't make the morning papers in New York.  Maybe they just like 1pm Japan time when they get back from lunch.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The New EOS [CR3]
« on: October 17, 2011, 07:55:51 PM »
In a perfect world you can have 12 stops using just 12 electrons and cell phones would have great DR.

No.  A stop is defined as doubling of the signal.  So let's say your noise floor was 1 electron... then you'd have less than 4 stops by the time you got to 12 electrons.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The New EOS [CR3]
« on: October 17, 2011, 07:09:23 PM »
I do not understand why people always associate dynamic range with pixel size. The Nikon D7000 has wider dynamic range than the Canon 5D despite the smaller pixel size.

Uuuh, where did you see that people associate DR with pixel size? As I understand it, DR is the amount of different stops (from lowest to highest) the camera can record on one shot.

Dynamic Range is the ratio of the largest to smallest signal that can be recorded.  The largest signal is the maximum number of electrons that the photosite can hold (full well capacity) and that scales with the size (area) of the photosite.  Therefore, DR does go up with the size of the photosite for a given noise level.

Important to note that the size of the photosite (the light sensitive part) is not the full size of the pixel... the amount of space it takes up is called the "fill factor" and has typically been less than 50% but that may have been something that Sony has improved upon.

The Sony sensor in the D7000 was a great improvement because the the full well capacity is almost as high as the 5D (the 5D2 is larger).  The read-noise at ISO 100 was also reduced in the Sony sensor.  The net result is that the D7000 has a very large DR.


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Site Information / Re: think i mist be daft!
« on: October 17, 2011, 11:15:17 AM »
nuero how can i change the power shot 100 that under my name?

That is automatically assigned based on number of posts.  You are raised to higher models as your post count goes up.

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Site Information / Re: think i mist be daft!
« on: October 17, 2011, 11:14:12 AM »
I guess 4 posts is the magic number...

:)

Signature feature turned on for me after 10 posts although I didn't add anything.  Perhaps it's not automatic at a certain number (if so spammers would get it automatically as well after posting any crap) but rather when the moderators review the account after a few posts and feel like it's a real contributor?

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Lenses / Re: 70-200 F4 L IS noise too much
« on: October 17, 2011, 09:17:07 AM »
I bought a used copy of this lens last year and found it so noisy I took it back and got the 70-200mm f/2.8L II which is nearly silent.  In the store, the noise wasn't so noticeable and the sales guy said it was normal for that lens but in a quiet room it sounded terrible to the point I thought it there had to be something wrong with it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The irony in it all
« on: October 17, 2011, 12:38:02 AM »
There are a number of things rather fishy with this announcement.

  • Why would they replace the 1D4 so soon?
  • Why would they combine the 1D + 1Ds lines with an 18 MP camera?

It has been 2 years... not the usual 3 years but it's not like the 1D4 was just released.   Given the performance of the Sony sensors, some technology advances have been achieved and Canon may have their own advances that are ready.  DIGIC5 is also already in production so they may have incentive to stop producing DIGIC4, if so I think we'll see most if not all the DSLRs replaced soon.

"Combining the 1 series" could also mean they're just not going to produce a 1Ds anymore only 1D... possibly Canon will move into MF as the flagship high (40+MP) camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The New EOS [CR3]
« on: October 16, 2011, 11:30:47 PM »
Haven't read through all the comments carefully but has anyone thought that maybe this is in fact a 1D5 and the specs are bang on except for one... it will still be APS-H.   A replacement for the 1Ds3 could follow, be announced simultaneously, or perhaps a new line to replace the flagship studio camera.

In fact, just prior to reading this post, that's what I suggested in the thread on irony.

I haven't been keeping up with reading the posts for a couple of days and as I scanned through all the posts speculating as to why these specs don't make sense it occurred to me that there were a couple of themes... a) resolution is a step back from 1Ds and b) spatial resolution is a step back from 1D4 both of which ring true.  On the assumption the rumour and spec list is not a complete fabrication what 1 change (Occam's Razor) would resolve both issues.  APS-H would do the trick... if so, this spec list fits nicely for a 1D5.

Now that I think about more... a lot of the recent talk on the forum has been that APS-H would be discontinued to the point it may have become assumed to be true so the rumour source and all the comments just assumed it must be FF.

Let's say a new APS-H sensor, even at 18MP, has even better DR, lower noise, and better low-light performance that the 1D4 or 5D2... would it be the perfect sports, wildlife, AND wedding photographer's camera?  16MP maybe wasn't enough for wedding photos but 18MP is closer to the 21MP of the 5D2.

If anything I'm speculating makes sense, this spec list now appeals to a wider market so if Canon could sell it for say $4200 (instead of $5k for the 1D4) would it become the easy choice for working pros over a 5D3... that way Canon can increase the resolution to 30+ MP but keep the AF performance, etc. of 5D3 down to differentiate it and keep it positioned as a landscape, portrait, entry level studio.

Now big question, would they then venture into MF to replace the 1Ds3 as the flagship???

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EOS Bodies / Re: The New EOS [CR3]
« on: October 16, 2011, 09:59:29 PM »
Haven't read through all the comments carefully but has anyone thought that maybe this is in fact a 1D5 and the specs are bang on except for one... it will still be APS-H.   A replacement for the 1Ds3 could follow, be announced simultaneously, or perhaps a new line to replace the flagship studio camera.

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