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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: February 11, 2012, 09:02:16 AM »
Sounds like from the initial impressions it is a solid lens.

-- Sharp at all focal lengths
-- faster focus than 70-200 II

That is pretty fast.  I will take faster focus over IS

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: February 10, 2012, 10:43:43 AM »
The more I look at those MTF charts, the more I'm amazed by them. My initial response was exactly WTF?!?!? But seriously, look at those charts. It's better all across the way, but at the edges the improvements are monstrous. I'm guessing this will outperform practically every prime that exists. If you're stopping down your 1.xx primes to over 2, you might just be way way better off with this lens.

the 24 f1.4 II
the 35 f1.4
the 50 f1.2

i dunno its hard to make comparisons from charts but it will be interesting to see the pics when they hit the street. Might make me reconsider it as an option if it really is that good. I was never impressed with the original so there was alot of room for improvement

What is the price of those 3 prime lenses?  $4500.  And yes they are all 1.4 or faster versus 2.8, but the majority of the MTF chart I see for this lens is much improved.  Are each of these primes superior in their respective range?  Likely, but if the images from this lens perform like the chart suggests, It looks to me like many people may pay a little more than they would like, but have a lens that COMES CLOSE to each of these primes, and has the advantage of not having to buy 3, swap 3 all the time and also maybe not need the 85, so closer to getting 4 solid primes in 1 zoom. 

May not have IS, but with this 24-70 F/2.8 II and the 70 - 200 F/2.8 IS II a lot of photographers could cover MOST of the range they need with TWO LENSES and you pretty much would have to spend 5X as much in primes to better them across the range. 

Time will tell, but I am definitely thinking that swapping out my 50 f/1.4, 85 F/1.8 and 24-105 F/4 and going with the 24-70 F/2.8 II and my 70-200 F/2.8 IS II not only is less to carry, but should even be better performing, and winds up being only about a $500 upgrade.

Granted, having speeds below F/2.8 is nice and can be a necessity, but what I see from Canon with these two lenses is a real solid covering of both range and performance

Lenses / Re: 36+ Mp EOS dSLR (rumored): How do existing EF lenses cope?
« on: February 09, 2012, 08:48:23 PM »
How many of us can play our favourite DOS game on a Windows 7 computer? (sorry, pre 1995 computer era for the children reading in  ;) )

I use Vogons to run a bunch of old-school games like Ultima VI on my MacBook Pro (albeit in a tiny window, though there are some interpolation techniques that help make it not look horrible in full-screen HD :-).  See also the remake of WC Privateer on top of the Vega Strike engine.

I still have a functioning 8088 based computer running dos 3.0 and has a 10mb hd

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
« on: February 09, 2012, 07:52:35 PM »
I doubt if these will be above $3k!!! With the D800 now out, I can see the 5DX being aroun $3200-3500, but I think the 5DMk III would be below that...probably around $2700. at least that's what I would do if I were a product manager at Canon.

And why is that.

Looks like the Canon 5D MKIII will have

Better AF
Much Better ISO (25600 native versus 6400)
Double FPS
Video on par or better perhaps.

The only thing the D800 offers is large MP, which a lot of people don't want.

So compared to the current 5D MK II which sells around $2300 retail...

Much higher ISO
Faster FPS
and not sure what other bells and whistles are in there, but AF, FPS and ISO are each big improvement areas.

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: February 09, 2012, 02:03:42 PM »
If it had IS on it then maybe that price would be fine, but the upgrade for what was a mediocre lens anyway that has a range is easily covered and exceeded in all ways by the 16-35 and the 50 f1.4 combo now both those better lenses combined are still cheaper. But who knows maybe it has completely mind blowing sharpness across the frame at f2.8 and no distortion, it will definately be interesting to see some samples and real revies of it once it hits the street

I may not be reading the MTF charts correctly then... Looks to me like the 24 - 70 II has better over all performance than the 16-35, which also does not have IS...  Pretty much when I look at the 24 - 70 II chart, it is getting close to the performance I expect from prime lenses.   So you could look at the 24 - 70 II as being close to having the 24, 28, 35, 50, and 75 prime all wrapped into one. (Yes, I know no 75, but it is close enough to the 85).  And looking at the 50 1.4, this lens wallops it. 

It is out of my price range, so no argument there, but when I look at the chart I see a zoom lens that really almost negates the need for prime lenses in its range, albeit for those who are looking for 1.2, 1.4, 1.8 and 2 F/stops.

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: February 09, 2012, 10:51:37 AM »

6 Zooms and 11 Primes. Not a small number. Secondly IS isn't just for shorter exposure times. It works fantastically to reduce up/down movements when taking panning shots at any focal length.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM
Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6 L IS USM
Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0 L IS USM
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II USM
Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 L IS USM
Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS USM

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 L IS USM Macro
Canon EF 200mm f/2.0 L IS USM
Canon EF 300mm f/4.0 L IS USM
Canon EF 300mm f/2.8 L IS II USM
Canon EF 400mm f/4.0 DO IS USM Lens
Canon EF 400mm f/2.8 L IS II USM
Canon EF 500mm f/4.0 L IS II USM
Canon EF 500mm f/4.0 L IS USM
Canon EF 600mm f/4.0 L IS II USM
Canon EF 600mm f/4.0 L IS USM
Canon EF 800mm f/5.6 L IS USM

How many of those lens have a FOCAL LENGTH BELOW 70?  2. 

How many of those lenses have a total FOCAL LENGTH Below 70?  0

In fact with the exception of the 24-105, the MAJORITY of the lenses have the MAJORITY of their focal length ABOVE 100.

100% of the lenses above have focal lengths that exceed 100mm, and 70mm for that fact.

In fact only 2 out of the 17 lenses you list have focal lengths under 200mm.  12 of the lenses have focal lengths of 300mm or greater.

So what conclusions can be drawn.  Looks like IS tends to be found on:

-- Longer lenses (200mm and above)
-- Slower lenses  (F/4 and above)

Not to say that IS has not crept into some lenses, but not one lens in the list of L lenses from Canon that has IS does not extend greater than 100mm by some degree, and the majority start at 200 or more.

Not one L lens currently has its entire focal length below 100mm for that matter, and in fact, it seems that 100mm seems to be the magic number for when Canon feels IS matters. 

Any surprise why the new 24-70 does not have IS?  looking at it is 2.8 and does not extend 100mm or greater, looks like it is normal for Canon to not introduce IS to the lens

EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next? Lenses & Cameras
« on: February 09, 2012, 08:57:27 AM »
Now that the cat is out of the bag, we keep hearing (well maybe more Graig then us!) more and more of the high MP camera some dream of being part of the 2012 line up.  I think it will come after the 5DX or 5DIII and am sure it will blow the D800 out of the water. My two cents.

Well my to cents concerning the rumor " I have heard there will be a very high megapixel camera some time in 2012, possibly in the 40mp range and it won’t be the “5D Mark III":

This is marketing crap to torpedo D800 sales, e.g. people switching systems from Nikon to Canon. *Developing* a high MP camera is not exactly the same as having it in the release pipeline like Nikon, is it? And the updated primes they just released are not high MP but for video - the segment in which Canon is in ahead.

If Canon would be even in the general vicinity of a Camera of the D800 type, they'd call it 5DIII. If this really is released w/ 22MP, we'll know there's no high MP variant on the horizon.

Really?  Are you sure?

For one, Canon has already developed a 100 MP Camera, and that was several years ago.

Huge MP cameras are nothing new, and I am sure BOTH Canon and Nikon have a dozen developmental models that are being R&D of which MOST never see the light and day, but of which features eventually wind up in production lines.

Both Canon and Nikon have product road maps, and these road maps extend out years and years. 

These road maps change over time.  They are periodically re-evaluated and are one of the most protected secrets a company has. 

It is also MUCH MUCH harder to change a product once it is in the release cycle.  It is still difficult to change pre-release, but is possible.  I suspect some of the delays on the Canon 1Dx are firmware updates to allow for their F/8 AF hole. 

The D800 / D800e are not pre-order and starting to enter the release cycle.  Pretty much not much new is going to happen to these cameras except bug fixes.

Canon, on the other hand has the time to tweak what ever they had in queue, whether it is improving their AF, adding in another feature, but I expect TWO cameras from Canon that will sit on either side of the D800 in terms of MP.  I expect a 2D or 3D series which will be a 39 MP FF Camera that matches or beats ever spec on the Nikon, and expect it to be slightly more expensive like the 1Dx is to the D4.  I also expect a moderate MP in the 24 MP range, or possibly 27MP for the 5D MK III which will be a merging of the 5D / 7D lines, so basically the 5D MK II with a little larger resolution, a lot better AF, improved color and ISO performance faster FPS, it will be cheaper than the D800 and the justification will be about IQ.  The 5D MKIII will be a better performer but smaller MP.  The 2D/3D will be a better performer, bigger MP.

If anything, both of these cameras become Nikon Killers because for the I NEED MORE MP crowd, they get it, and there are a lot of Nikon folks who are not crazy about 36 MP and giving them HIGH IQ, High Performance, and in a MP that is double their D700, it is much much more reasonable.

Why the delays...

I think Canon announces these in tandem.

Lenses / Re: come on, make an affordable 600mm or 800mm!!
« on: February 09, 2012, 08:55:47 AM »
Great in theory, but I think you underestimate the cost of producing glass that size as well as once these lenses get so large, and extended, manufacturing defects increase greatly.  12 inches out if one of the lenses is off by a smidge, that error is amplified greatly.

Secondly, the demand for these lenses is soft.  Most of the users are high end sports photogs or nature photogs who can write off expensive lenses.  For the average joe, look at the complaints and whines people have on the 70-200 F/2.8 IS II and then think just how heavy a 600mm is by comparison, not to mention that a decent tripod to hold this lens will be up there as well. 

The EF 600 F/4 IS weights almost 12 pounds alone.

Lenses / Re: Lenses for 600d or oncoming replacement
« on: February 09, 2012, 08:45:13 AM »
Depends on your purpose. 

24-105mm IS L
17-40mm L or 16-35mm L

These are all decent lenses in general.  Out of the 3, the 16-35 is probably the best lens, but it will be lost a little on the crop.  The 17-40 as well will have a lot of its short comings lost on the crop, so is a little better bang for the buck, but I think in terms of the range, if you are looking to go wide, the 10-22 is your better bet.  The 17-40 and 16-35 really are different lenses on a crop than a FF.   Now if your intent is to move up to FF in the future, these are lenses that will open up once you make your move.

the 24-105 is a very nice lens.  Not the best, but will have decent range on the crop and might make a nice walk around lens, though probably not as wide as you would like for landscape. 

I would stay away from the 18-135.  It has a nice range, but not the best lens... Extremely cheap. 

70 - 300 IS L is a decent lens... I was real close to going that way (I have both crop and FF) but stepped up into the 70 - 200.   I went the 2.8 route because then if you add an extended you are not killing yourself with the doubled F-stop, so the 2.8 on a 2X TC becomes 5.6 where as the 70-300 becomes and F/8. 

Light may not seem too much of a factor, but I find that biggest difference in the 2.8 lens is it is faster focusing in dimmer light, so that should help.  Also note though, if you do use a TC, your AF is slowed.  This is done by design, so in some cases a 70-300 or 100-400 will be faster.   

100mm IS L Macro -> very nice lens all around. 

I think bang for the buck wise, a 70-200 F/4 IS is a perfect L lens at a great price for you.  Over all I think it is a little better performer than the 70-300, and even there, if you are mainly shooting landscape on a tripod, etc, the Non-IS version can be picked up for less than $600, and the F/4 L non-IS is extremely sharp.  Probably one of Canons best bang for the bucks there is in the lens

EOS Bodies / Re: Anyone else want a cropped sensor?
« on: February 09, 2012, 07:54:18 AM »
There are a lot of great crop bodies that are cheap upgrades from your 450D... the 60D or 7D are fine examples... heck even the T2i or T3i are a nice bump. 

I think with the advent of the improvements in the Sony NEX and some of the other cameras in general, the Crop Body is heading towards more of a Prosumer line and the 7D goes away into the 70D

Know that is not what some what to hear, but I can see with competition, there is a blurring of differences between Crop and Full Frame in terms of body performance and can't see Canon or Nikon really selling two cameras with very similar attributes other than one FF and one Crop.

EOS Bodies / Re: How does Canon respond to the D800?
« on: February 09, 2012, 07:48:26 AM »
The price ranges are wrong. Anything under 30MP will need to be no more than $2500, probably closer to $2000. Look at the flack Canon has received for the 1DX's pricing because of Nikon's D4, even though it has more megapixels.

I can imagine the D800 causing a fair amount of angst at Canon.

How many MP does the 1DX have?  How about the D4?

Hmmm... Those are TWO cameras, one from each manufacturer, and BOTH are DOUBLE your $2500 target and triple your "closer to $2000" range.

Geee... How can BOTH Canon and Nikon even think of selling $6000 cameras that are LESS than 20 MP when a $3000 36.3 MP has just been announced.

Maybe... Just maybe... there is something more to these cameras than size of MP...

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:54:15 PM »
I know many folks are disappointed at the 24-70 II which does not have IS... but got me thinking.

This is a beast of a lens... and looking at the MTF graphs... looks to be a huge performer.

Does the lens come before the cart so to speak...

Would make sense to me, especially if Canon has a beast of a MP body on the forefront that there will need to be better glass to really take advantage of a more dense sensor.

So maybe the 24-70, and especially the larger filter size in the front has a lot more to do with a more complete higher performing package down the line.

And while some of the other lens releases have many shaking their heads, maybe Canon saw something with the old versions on their development bodies that required improvement.

When I start seeing the revamping of lenses going on, especially when some of them seem "lateral" in nature (i.e. no major improvement in speed of glass), it makes me think that Canon is paying attention to IQ and that they saw holes in their lens performance with the larger resolution that they wanted to correct up front.

It also may explain why many have commented that the High ISO images on the D800 seem noisy or unimpressive. 

Larger resolution without a doubt will show some flaws in lenses that might have otherwise been less apparent, just the same as why some lenses that have flaws on a FF often perform better on a crop (like soft outsides, vignetting, etc.)

Something tells me Canon is fine with what is going on and a flanking maneuver may be under foot

EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next? Lenses & Cameras
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:43:40 PM »
I´m sorry if things i said was upsetting to some, the thing is that i´m a very realistic person. I´m not a certain brand fanatic, though Canon is my first choice. The Nikon D800 has the same AF and metering system as the D4. 36mp and probably the best video from a dslr today. I have no doubts in my mind that Canon can make a camera just as good. But they need to hurry, they have to give us something to look forward to, not today not tomorrow, but yesterday. The sad part is that i know for a fact that a lot of people selling their canon gear and the reason is "swithing system" that´s what it says in their ads. Many doubt that Canon can match the D800. As we speak more and more are having thoughts of going to the other side. Canon should not take the D800 lightly. It´s just one camera, but it could destroy the Canon sales if Canon fails to reply right now! Show who´s boss. I always think realistic! Right now Canon is in a lot of trouble.

Well I checked eBay and other places, and have not seen a huge uptick in people dumping Canon.  Wouldn't mind it, because a flood of lenses will help me round out my needs.

Video is nice, but fro me I am more concerned with pictures.  Have not shot more than a minute of video on my 5D MK II.  To some this is huge, to me... meh.

As I have stated... Better to produce a camera that is at the top and remains for years, than to win the initial sprint and then be fore ever behind.

So when Canon does make their moves later this year as expected, and if... nothing says it will be... but IF their specs and performance are better than Nikons, then what... Maybe all these people who panicked will be screaming on the Nikon boards... HEY we need the D850... Canon's new camera shoots 40MP and ours is only 36...   They have 61 AF points and ours is only 51... They are native 12800 ISO and ours only 6400...

When will Nikon produce a decent camera... They have to respond yesterday....

Maybe they can boost the ISO to 256,000 with firmware...

NIKON??? Are you listening...

Opps... Forgot to mention... As one can see from Nikon's customer service ranking... they don't... http://www.customerservicescoreboard.com/Nikon

EOS Bodies / Re: I know the future!
« on: February 08, 2012, 01:21:45 PM »
How would a Canon 7D-5D Best of Both World's enrage?

From the 7D - better weather sealing, more FPS, better AF
From the 5D - FF, Better High ISO, Better Low Light, Better IQ
Added  - Large Resolution, some other bells and whistles like wireless built in, articulating screen, Dual Card etc.

Only downside I see to this is some of the 7D users loosing the crop/reach of some of the lenses and the EF-S lenses not fitting, but could also see maybe the 70D becoming more of stepping up to be a high FPS top-of-the-crop to fill that void. 

Compared to the D800, the Canon 5D7D would be Faster FPS, maybe a little less AF, Better ISO especially at the top end... expect 12800 Native, and cheaper.  The D800 may produce larger pics, but I think the 5D7D, especially paired with something like the 70-200 F/2.8 IS II would produce better IQ images at pretty much every level.

You're forgetting human nature... some people will bound to be ticked... especially if the consumer base cant use their ever so expensive ef-s glass on this beast.  Another thing to ponder... I wouldn't mind dual card slots (granted I hardly ever get to the point where my card runs out and i cant swap them out, I can see when they could come in handy) how many would want the CF and SD combo like the D800 or would you prefer a common size like both SD's or both CF's?  I think I would prefer the same dual CF's... keep the same speed, both be umda cards... can SD cards keep up with umda CF cards? if the CF ran out and the SD kicked in and my buffer all of a sudden started filling up quicker I would personally start to get ticked.   

Having crawled up from the EF-S ranks, outside of the 10-22, there really is not much to speak of.  In fact lenses like the 18-135 probably hurt more than they help.

But again... I could see the 70D becoming the King of the crops... May not appeal the most, but give some of the 7D users better ISO, less noise and more resolution and they may be happy.

As for the Dual card, I would say Dual CFs or CF and then the new XQD.  Not sure if the XQD will catch on.  I have only filled a card once, and that was when I had an 8 card in there because I was importing my 16 into LR.  I think SD is a step back performance wise, and would hate to have to drop down from my CF to SD.

Ultimately I am not surprised for Canon to wait a little.  Gives them time to tweak, and one-up. 

After all, if I were Canon, I would rather and release a better camera two months later and then live with that better camera on the market for 2 plus years, than be out the gate 2 months early and be passed and then have a lesser camera for 2 years. 

Really depends on what Canon does.  To me the 1DX has a slight edge on the D4.  May be some bias, but I think the ISO is better, it has larger resolution and I think offers more.  Biased?  Perhaps.  But I think the 1DX will be a low-light beast and the D4 much noisier.

I think Canon will release the 3 line.  This will be a MP Beast, maybe only 4 - 6 FPS, Little less AF, but better ISO and priced a little higher than the D800.  So more MP, better performance, better IQ especially in low light.

I also think they will release an update to the 5D.  Only slight increase in MP (24?) either the 7D AF or better, maybe 5 or 6 FPS, but in short, strengthen the weaknesses of the 5D line which really comes down to AF, add some improvements, and let Nikon have MP and beat them everywhere else.   The Canon would be cheaper, better performing except in size and be a significant upgrade. 

In short

1DX > D4
3Dx > D800
5Dx > D800 / D400

Especially if the next 5 series camera performs well at ISO 3200 and higher and has improved AF, Canon will have camera at either end of the D800 that perform. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Latest Canon disappoints wants me to switch over to Nikon.
« on: February 08, 2012, 12:54:52 PM »

What do you have for lenses and flashes?  I need some new gear.


Glad you asked :) My 1DsIII is spoken for, but unless Canon announces a 5DIII that can compete with the D800 by the end of the month, the following will be for sale:

- 5D Classic
- 1D Mark II N
- 17-40L
- 24-105L
- 70-300L
- Three 550EX flashes
- Canon cable release
- Badass 67mm B&W circular polarizer

All glass comes with original packaging, cases, hoods, warranty cards, etc. PM me or e-mail me at stephen@stephenkimphoto.com if anyone is interested. I'm serious :) It will allow me to avoid the ridiculous ebay seller fees :)

I thought you had some fast glass.   Nothing below F/4???

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