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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon's 2.300$ D750 said to best 5DIII
« on: October 02, 2014, 12:49:44 PM »
Let me make it simple for you:

https://www.google.com/search?q=5d3+banding&oq=5d3+banding
https://www.google.com/search?q=5d3+banding&source=lnms&tbm=isch

Did you ever READ any of the posts / highlighted / referrenced in your links:

Like:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1157744

Notice that a lot of the "Discussion / Reports" are pre-production i.e. the same sort of "first look" images people are talking about with the 7D MK II and a lot of the issues were "showing" up when they were pushing upwards of 7-stops of under exposure.

Also note from the thread - post #98.

NIKONS have the same issue with the D3S, D700, D7000... If you push your images 7 stops or high iso, you will see aritfacts, banding ect... People just love to hate on the 5D's

http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00Zo0M

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=40126428

http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00Xtik

http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00ZMgI

http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00TTdv
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OH MY F&*(&*()&*&*() GOD  - NIKON HAS BANDING

NIKON HAS BANDING...

Holy CRAP.... NIKON HAS BANDING

What will fan boys do???

How can I possibly shoot... I only shoot underexposing and then pushing the highlights...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nikon+D800+banding+issue

LOL

There is even a Flickr group for the "HORRIBLE" D800 Color Banding issue:

Flickr: Discussing D800 horrible colour banding issue ...
https://www.flickr.com/groups/1567431@N22/.../72157632675750269/
Feb 3, 2013 - This is a group for all things related to the amazing new Nikon D800, ... D800 horrible colour banding issue *Photos and videos included* ...

Again... The more you talk, the more you make our points...

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Canon General / Re: Financial Times - "Digital cameras: out of focus"
« on: October 02, 2014, 12:06:44 PM »
A more telling number are number of cameras / DSLRs in use.

Whilst this is certainly a valid train of thought, the problem with it lies in that companies - like Canon, Nikon, FUJIFILM, etc. - only receive revenue when we BUY A NEW CAMERA. They make absolutely zilch income when we continue to use our trusty 30D for six or more years; or buy secondhand. This means that as manufacturers build better cameras that people use for longer periods, revenue drops; and when revenue drops, so do profits; and this makes the shareholders very cross.

Now, if they can reconfigure the cameras so that we rent them AND pay a per shutter actuation fee ...  ;D

Not necessarily.

How many people who buy a used 5MK II for their first DSLR buy lenses? 

Why do you think Canon basically gives away some of its printers - because the Ink is where so much of the money is... Heck often I just buy a new printer.

So if I look at my purchases over the last 4 years.
T2i
5D MK II
5D MK III
t5i

T2i I bought new, 5D MK II I bought used, 5D MK III I used Canon Upgrade program, T5i I bought refurb.

I may have $5K in bodies and around $450 back when I sold the t2i

Lenses:
70-200 F/2.8 IS MK II
24-70 F/2.8 II
16-35 MK II
24-105 F/4 (kit lens)
50 f/1.4
85 f/1.8

Canon has made another 5K on lenses as well as probably another $1.5K on flashes from 430 EX II, 580 EX IIs though waiting on the Yongnuo for the 600rt. 

Also will eventually get the 200-400 or 300 IS F/2.8 just more waiting for when I am ready, which is probably after my next two body upgrades. 

Shutters and cameras do wear out and while my bodies all tend to be under 30K actuations, what is hidden in the numbers is for every upgrade like I plan to do, there are more people who will then enter with used gear and wind up getting more lenses, flashes, etc. 

More telling, I think there is a small decline in the DSLR market, bot not as pronounced as the article leads one to believe.  There appears (at least to me) to be a solid core of DSLR shooters who will likely remain DSLR shooters.  There are always the hobbyiests (that is who I got my 5D MK II from) and for all those who get in and out, there are the hidden budget folks who always are buying a generation old gear, but keep the numbers higher than shown.

While they also tend to probably buy used lenses, those folks allow us to upgrade our lenses when new versions come out and upgrade far more than we could otherwise.  Lenses tend to hold their value far better than bodies. 

Hell, especially for long teles, I still see FD versions sell well probably because of Ed Mika adapters alone. 

For Canon numbers, if you look at the last 2 years, they have also not had any real major releases.  But in the next 12 month we should have the 7D MK II, the 5D MK IV, the 1DX II and perhaps a high MP if that is not one of the two later.

Do you think Canon's 23% might rise greatly with 3 - 4 top end Pro/Prosumer bodies in 12 months?  If anything Nikon has released far more bodies over this period, yet still seemed to slip a little.  I would not be surprised to see Canon up around 26% or higher end of 2015


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Canon General / Re: Financial Times - "Digital cameras: out of focus"
« on: October 02, 2014, 10:52:50 AM »
1st and foremost, the author is an idiot and their conclusion out of focus (See what I did there  :D )

Cameras like the Canon 1D did not come out til 2001 and even there there was a definite barrier to entry.  But looking at DSLR sales you see 12800 in 2010 20,000 in 2012 and 12500 in 2014.  While that shows a decline, I think more of what it shows was a huge surge between 2010-2012 where I believe a lot of P&S camera owners made the jump to DSLRs.  This is also shortly after cameras like the 5D MK II and 7D came out at the end of 2009.

These cameras are still solid, while they may not be pushing the envelope, how many DSLR sales between 2010 and 2014 were people buying used gear like 7Ds, 5DMKIIs, etc. 

A more telling number are number of cameras / DSLRs in use.

As an example, between 2010 and 2012 I bought 3 DSLRs, from a Rebel T2i, to a 5D MKII and a 5DMKIII

From 2012 - 2014 I sold the t2i and replaced it with a t5i just as a cheaper dedicated video camera body. 

I will likely upgrade the t5i to the 7D MK II but wait on a refurb deal as well as upgrade the 5D MK II to the 5D MK IV or a 1Dx if price drops a little more... depending. 

Looking at 3 points in time does not give you a whole lot of information to go.  While there is more availability of Camera phones, these are more the point and shoot consumer and not the DSLR market.  When I start seeing wedding photographers or fashion photographers only shooting with iPhones, then maybe the shark has been jumped. 

My Blu-Ray player is probably 3+ years old.  Better and cheaper players have come out, but no reason for me to upgrade really until it breaks. 

I am willing to get that the generation of cameras from 2010 - 2015 hold up better in useful life than those of 2005 -2010, i.e. While we will bet better AF, more DR, I think the MP between 20 - 40 is really a sweet spot and cameras like the 5D MK III and the like will have a longer life than say the 5D  in terms of 2nd and 3rd owners

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon's 2.300$ D750 said to best 5DIII
« on: October 02, 2014, 10:47:41 AM »
So you took the time to visit Yosemite, attempted to take a photo of half dome at possibly a very nice time, (blue hour) and you got all this great equipment which ended up in a shaky photo? Sir, you have bigger issues than DR.

+1 Gazillion Googolplex

I think what is really at hand is the camera did not compensate for lousy skills

It wasn't the camera's fault OR my fault - it was the ballhead on the tripod.

Would anyone else like to showcase their ignorance?

They put the camera on the tripod and ballhead.  Poor choice of equipment and set-up - the is the USER'S error.

{EDIT}

And thank you for making my point.

Selecting the WRONG equipment for the job is the PHOTOGRAPHERS issue.  not the camera, not the ballhead, not the tripod.

You admitted that the weight was too great in another post.  That is not the Ballhead's fault.

{Cough}  CHOKE  {Ack}


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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon's 2.300$ D750 said to best 5DIII
« on: October 02, 2014, 08:52:14 AM »
So you took the time to visit Yosemite, attempted to take a photo of half dome at possibly a very nice time, (blue hour) and you got all this great equipment which ended up in a shaky photo? Sir, you have bigger issues than DR.

+1 Gazillion Googolplex

I think what is really at hand is the camera did not compensate for lousy skills

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon's 2.300$ D750 said to best 5DIII
« on: October 02, 2014, 08:27:30 AM »
I just have to laugh at most in this thread...

The premise at hand... Comparing a new camera to a camera going on 3 years-old and stating that the new one is improved.

Really.  Shocker?

The fact that it has taken x number of years is the real testament...

But what do we know? 

We do know the 7D MK II is shipping shortly and by all accounts appears again to be the king of the crops.  While some may say its low light or DR are not up to snuff it is much improved over the 7D and the AF system, FPS and general features are tops.

We know that the D800 was a POS and a disappointment... So much so that they released the 810 just about a year later.  I would be pretty pissed if I picked a camera up a few months after release and it was already outdated/replaced in a year.  Talk about taking a HIT on your investment. 

We know Canon looks to have plans for a High MP, 1Dx II and 5D MK IV in the pipeline in the next 3 - 12 months and likely the 1DX MK is announced before end of the year and 5D IV early next year.  Looking the the Digic 6 processors and the buffer capability of the 7D MK II both of these couple see marked improvements in FPS, AF and better sensors. 

Keep comparing to the past, all of these comparisons are moot and passing... Lets see how the 750 compared to the 5D MK IV

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Photography Technique / Re: Noise in 5D III - Concern or my fault?
« on: September 27, 2014, 07:59:49 PM »
You have shake in there somewhere.  Look at the purple bridge lights, none of them are sharp on the 5d and looks like a shift where the other seems tight. 

Any wind.  I find when I do these shots if the tripod is not weighted down, especially longer exposures, the wind can sneak in... where are a Gorilla pod on a fence actually may stand up better. 

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Hold you horses.

We all know IMAX makes crappy pictures with little to no quality, which is why they went with the inferior Canon compared to the much superior Nikon.

Or... maybe not. 

Maybe IMAX knows something fanboys don't

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New EOS Pro Body With 46mp Next Month? [CR1]
« on: September 18, 2014, 01:13:35 PM »
Why? 

What is Nikon's top of the line body?  Is it the D4s or is it the 810?
Hint... The D4s is $6500 and the D810 is under $3K.

Nikon's top of line camera, as well as Canon's often have lower MP than their next-in-line - hence 18MP for the 1Dx and 22 MP for the 5D MK III

the 1Ds MK III was 21MP and the 1D MK IV was 16 MP, so Canon has the history in the 1D body of having a more all around and then a Studio / high MP model.  The 1Dx was sort of a change.

So sorry, from what the rumor is and what placement makes sense, if this is a high MP studio body then this is competing against the D4s and it would be 1Dx vs D4 and 1Dxs vs D4s

Something tells me Nikon fanboys don't like that comparison.

If you think a high MP low frame rate studio/landscape body is competing against a low MP high frame rate sports body just because they're priced similarly then I'm not sure what to say to you.  Does that mean that the 7D2 is competing against the A7R because the price is similar? Or that the 17 TS-E is competing against the 70-200VRII?

No.  My point is that from what it sounds like, this may be the 1Ds replacement, i.e. their top line Studio  / Landscape hence why I was comparing to the D4s.

I am comparing flagship to flagship regardless of spec.  When the 1Dx came out it looked to be a bridge between the 1D and 1Ds lines and it maybe that Canon just needed some more time. 

The D810 is a decent camera but is more on par as a high MP version of the 5D MKIII

you want to compare the FPS of the D810 to the 1Dx?  How about ISO?  AF? 

The camera rumored is sounding like a 1Ds hence the natural comparison is either the or the D4s or maybe the aging D3x

the D810?  Pfffffffffft

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New EOS Pro Body With 46mp Next Month? [CR1]
« on: September 18, 2014, 10:59:16 AM »
I could see this.  Canon has been rumored to have a high MP out in the wild and this would make sense to me to be a Pro body studio / landscape camera.  I don't consider this competition to the 810, but rather squashes the D4s... you know... that is supposed to be Nikon's "flagship" camera.

I think it's a bit silly to compare this theoretical high MP Canon body to the D4s, completely different animals.  It's real competitors would be the D810, A7R, and the 645Z.

Why? 

What is Nikon's top of the line body?  Is it the D4s or is it the 810?
Hint... The D4s is $6500 and the D810 is under $3K.

Nikon's top of line camera, as well as Canon's often have lower MP than their next-in-line - hence 18MP for the 1Dx and 22 MP for the 5D MK III

the 1Ds MK III was 21MP and the 1D MK IV was 16 MP, so Canon has the history in the 1D body of having a more all around and then a Studio / high MP model.  The 1Dx was sort of a change.

So sorry, from what the rumor is and what placement makes sense, if this is a high MP studio body then this is competing against the D4s and it would be 1Dx vs D4 and 1Dxs vs D4s

Something tells me Nikon fanboys don't like that comparison. 

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It's not always best to argue on principles.  Sometimes you have to argue on reality.  Yes, you do have to pay for an accessory, however, that accessory is very cheap (no offense if you have a low paying job).  To many of us, especially those of us who are successful and run businesses, time is money.  I don't get to go shooting whenever I want.  I have opportunities, and they come and go.  I'd rather spend a bit of money, and keep the lens at home, than send it in to get an update and wait a week or several weeks.

Furthermore, each time you ship something, you take a risk of it being misplaced, stolen, lost, or damaged.  While you may get compensated for such an occurrence, it's just another added headache.  Another added reason why being able to plop your lens onto a dock and update the firmware in a couple of minutes, even if it does cost ~$50, is so convenient.

Then again, I generally send my bodies and most used lenses in once a year / twice a year for Canon to clean and recalibrate - most of which is covered for free through my CPS. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New EOS Pro Body With 46mp Next Month? [CR1]
« on: September 18, 2014, 10:22:11 AM »
I could see this.  Canon has been rumored to have a high MP out in the wild and this would make sense to me to be a Pro body studio / landscape camera.  I don't consider this competition to the 810, but rather squashes the D4s... you know... that is supposed to be Nikon's "flagship" camera.

So if, and big if, Canon does this, it looks to be a high MP, high ISO likely lower FPS that would be 1/3rd more MP than the 810 and 3x the MP of the D4s

Canon to me has seemed quiet the last few years, so perhaps they have been stock piling ammo and are about the change the landscape.

7D MK II does appear to be a formidable crop sensor camera aimed at sports photogs and should be king of the crop if the image quality and iso performance is decent.

The 1Dx seems to still be the best all around pro body for AF, MP, FPS ISO etc

This body not only would address the High MP which seems to be lacking from Canon's arsenal, but really becomes a sub-$10K MF if the DR and image is solid. 

And I see a higher MP version of the 5D line, maybe not 36MP but higher than the current offering for sure.

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EOS Bodies / LP-E6N in 5DMK III
« on: September 16, 2014, 12:42:17 PM »
Haven't seen this discussed yet, but wondering if the 5D MK III will be able to take the LP-E6N.  Seems the only difference is the LP-E6N has 200mA more juice, and I am suspecting Canon looks at the battery in firmware, but wondering if in the future with a firmware upgrade, the 5DMK III will be able to take advantage of stronger and likely longer lasting batteries from the 7D MK II

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EOS Bodies / Re: High ISO Samples from the Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 16, 2014, 09:43:48 AM »
All an all looks promising - Hard to tell because unsure how well lit, but did not notice the amount of noise in the skin texture I was expecting to see, and looked like a lot more the detail there compared to a lot of noise reduction. 

Best way to judge is RAW in low light, but does seem like it is more serviceable than I was expecting

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7DII - Did you preorder?
« on: September 15, 2014, 11:13:20 AM »
Weighing in on it.  Would like to see some image/noise comparisons, but looks like a solid body and I think overall improved over the 7D.  Would have liked a bigger sensor, but at the same time if the buffer stats hold up, the camera seems insane in what it can capture in burst mode, even for raw.

I probably won't pre-order - but pick up up for when the Holiday sales start

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