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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: February 29, 2012, 05:26:05 AM »
Yeah... It is discontinued.

Seriously... if the 5D MKIII has improved AF, weather sealing and FPS, the only difference for a 7D upgrade becomes crop sensor, and at that point... why bother.

My guess is the 70D becomes the legacy to the 7D

EOS Bodies / Re: Selling 5D mk ll. Reasonable price?
« on: February 28, 2012, 07:57:04 AM »
You might be able to sell on ebay for $1800, but it will cost you $150 or more for fees.  I'd ask $1775 on CL and be willing to come down to $1650.

Having the manuals, CD's and cables helps.  Even a old 35-80mm EF lens might bring a extra $100 when bundled with it.

New MK II's are about to Drop to the $2000 level, so sell quickly while they are still $2269.

Ebay Fees on this item would be capped at $100.  Now you do have to add in the PayPal Fees, which is $52 (2.9%) on $1800. 

It is a wash on Craigslist at $1650 if you can get $1800 on eBay with a bigger market. 

One of the best places I have found to move this gear is actually Amazon.   I got more for my 18 - 135, 10-22, and 70-200 f/4 off of there than I did off of CL... Close to DOUBLE what the tire kickers on CL were offering. 

Amazon pretty much does rape you with the fees, but after a week of tire kickers on CL offering $200 for my 70-200 F/4, or $500 on my 10-22, wound up selling 3 lenses and my 430 EX II in about 3 hours for pretty decent money after the commissions.

Also it can be a great way to split up transactions for those aware of the new IRS rules, basically the 200 / $20,000.  If you are clearing out a bunch of gear on either site, it is easy to get the dollar amounts up, and then realize you have a ton of rinky dink transactions that might make you have to file for all those DVDs and CDs you cleared out at $4 a pop.

EOS Bodies / Re: Selling 5D mk ll. Reasonable price?
« on: February 28, 2012, 07:45:08 AM »
I don't mean to be the proverbial rain on the parade... but the best answer to your inquiry IS what someone wants to pay for it.
Any pricing you have seen in the past for the 5DmkII, or see now, has no significance - they are for a used 'current model'. After the new model is announced the resale value will decline noticeably on used, and will likely steadily decline on the remaining new inventory until they are gone.

Really?  Somewhat true, but given that the 5D... not 5D MK II, but the ORIGINAL 5D still sells comfortably in the $1000 - $1200 range, don't see the 5D MK II, especially with low shutter count selling down that way for quite some time.

Generally I have found that most upper end electronics and gear that are not at the NEW INTRODUCTION of technology, especially when it comes to being gear that is used for a professional or production basis, tends to suffer initial drops during its lifecycle, and less drop during its 1st generation replacement. 

This especially holds true, when advancements come incremental and more about increasing capabilities of features.

This also holds true as PRODUCTION costs decreases... like the first plasma TVs that were $10,000+ obviously came down because future generations were less than $2000.

There is more pressure for the price to remain higher on the 5D MK II as Canon's entry into the FF market for most people, because of its capabilities and closeness to its replacement. 

The camera I expect to see a more significant drop in would be the original 5D which is now soon to be 2 generations old... but still I don't expect to see the 5D MK II selling for less in general than the 7D.

EOS Bodies / Re: Selling 5D mk ll. Reasonable price?
« on: February 27, 2012, 08:32:32 AM »
Some recent eBay prices.

120863177574 - $1975 - Used, Not Refurb, Opteka Grip, Extra Battery, around 500 shutter

150764608563 - $1875 - Used, Not Refurb, around 1500 shutter, no info on box, cds, etc

190643162836 - $1777.99 - Used, 30,000 Shutter, LCD Scuff and dust issues.  Extra battery

290673438812 - $1885 - REFURB, Used, purchased Dec 2011, 1500 shutter, scratches LCD

260961565936 - $1750 - Used, Not Refurb, 3 years old, wear grip and body, some chips, scratches LCD, 30,000 Shutter

120866413711 - $1900 - Used, 1800 shutter,  SD card

150764430022 - $1950 - Used, Not Refurb - 1 yr old, no shutter count given

All of these auctions have ended in the last day or so.  Did see a plain 5D sell for $1200. 

Most 5D MK IIs right now with 5000 or less shutter counts are selling for $1900 range, especially if well maintained, no scratches, etc.  The ones I see selling in the $1700s generally have 30,000+ shutter counts, scratches on body, scratches on LCD, etc.

Granted, the 5D MK II for the most part is selling at $2400 now, but these used prices are not off from much when I was buying in November when you could grab a new 5D MK II for $2100 - $2200.

Hell, I saw more than a few refurbs like 230746630502 selling $1800+, so $1850 for a Refurb with 11000 shutter and Eg-D focusing screen. 

Looking at the Refurbs that sold in the last month on eBay - $1885, $1850, $1900, $1725, and the $1725... 113K shutter!!!!   (130645166410)

EOS Bodies / Re: Selling 5D mk ll. Reasonable price?
« on: February 27, 2012, 05:51:41 AM »
What kills you is yours is refurbed. 

People stating $1200 are whack and really don't know the market...

As a NEWER buyer of the 5D MK II (November), when Canon had Refurb Stock at $1999, and the new cameras were selling for $2200, the eBay / Craigslist price range for low shutter with box and everything was high 1700s to low 1800s  (basically a little over $150 off the refurb) but the refurbs sell out quickly.   When the refurbs were sold out, 1900s were not uncommon.

Some people actually like the refurbs over used since many feel they have been inspected, checked, and pretty much serviced again, and some think refurbs get even closer looks than the general manufacturing quality checks.  I see more people championing what a great camera they got refurb, than those who regretted it.

We have not seen the "new lower" prices yet, but if new the body is $1999, and the refurb is $1799, then I would price your body at around 1550 - $1650 which is $150 - $250 off the refurb price.  The refurbs sell out quickly. 

What most people discount when they start throwing out prices of $1200 is the price of 7D bodies, and sorry, even with a lower price on the 5D, you will not see nearly new 5D MK IIs selling for less than 7D refurbs ($1350)   

Even during the holidays, when the new 5D MK IIs could be picked up for $2100 or so with the rebates, people were still paying $1800+ for used with shutter counts much higher....  I watched a TON of listing for close to a month to find mine

EOS Bodies / Re: Will Canon chop the 5D Mark II price?
« on: February 25, 2012, 05:30:54 AM »
Where do you see a $500 price cut?  Most stores I see are still $2600 - $2700

Nikon also would have to cut the price, since the price is relatively close $3000 versus $2700

Canon on the other hand, even though no official announcement, looks to be $3500 versus $2300

So no... There may be a price drop, but with $1200 difference, don't expect a huge drop if any. 

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D800 high ISO noise samples
« on: February 24, 2012, 09:47:59 AM »
The only thing I can draw from those images:

1)  Either the D700 shots are dodgy and deliberately misscaled, resized or OOF to make the shots look worse...

-- or --

2)  The D700 was a real POS when it came to high ISO,

and I love this one quote in the description at the top:  You will have to ignore the fact that all D700 samples are blurry and just pay attention to the ISO performance.

How can you judge ISO performance from a focused image to an OOF image???

So a few thoughts....

#1 - I am the originator of the 590 EX - PW Compatible rumor.  I have also stated that I highly doubt Canon will do this, but if they did, I am certain they would sell AT LEAST DOUBLE the number of 590 EX flashes as they would using a proprietary radio.

Why is this?  For one, PW has the LARGEST installation / Usage base IN THE WORLD.  As an example, I will make this offer to the Odin zealots out there.  I will give you $100 for every Odin user if you give me $10 for every PW user.  I can tell you now, the check I WOULD RECEIVE would be enough to more than buy all the new bodies AND the new LENSES Canon has out there.

As well, this also opens Canon up to non Canon brands... all of the sudden Pentax, Nikon and other users who have PWs can add the Canon Flash. 

#2  I see the comment "there are so many issues and complaints with PW and non for Odin"  Seriously?  See above.  Odin has only been available in the US for a few weeks.  I personally have not seen ONE on a store shelf, studio or in the field.  I have, however, seen HUNDREDS of PW personally, especially when I was spending time in NY studio.  If you have 1 million photographers using PW and a few hundred using Odins, which do you think you will see more blogs or post for... As well... Reading this forum alone, one would think that the 5DMKII was a total piece of crap, and while not perfect, there are a lot of photographers who not only use it regularly, but still love it.

#3 3rd party compatibility.  Will Sekonic light meters fire off an Odin.  NO.  Will Odin trigger a Photogenic PL strobe?  No.  Norman?  No.  ProFoto?  And yes, you can dangle an Odin off of many of these, but why bother, PW is BUILT IN to many of these monolights, devices, and packs. 

#4  You cannot light meter with an Odin.  As of right now, you cannot turn off the pre-flash, even in manual.  I like to use my light meter, just the same as I spend 90% of my time in M on my camera and maybe 10% split between AV / TV.  This pre-flash screws up light metering.  True, many just use the histograms on the back, but still a lot of us like to dial in our shots

#5 The 580 issue, which some have experienced and others haven't was an issue with the 580, not the Flex.  The 580 was a piece of junk when it comes to shielding and leaking RF, and while many try and blame PW for that, it was really Canon's issue, as well, shooting with a 580 on your hot shoe, that RF leak has the potential to add noise to your shots.  Poorly shielded and leaking electronics are generally bad....

We will see what comes out of the 590 EX.  If I were Canon, I would make the 590 EX PW compatible because of the HUGE user base for PW, the instant compatibility with brands like Sekonic, ProFoto, Photogenic, and Norman to name a few, the bigger incentive for 580 users to upgrade, as well as the ability for ANY Camera that has a HOT SHOE or Synch connection to be able to fire your flash out of the box.  Probably won't happen, but then again, Canon is not necessarily known for brilliant moves, especially if you trust posts on this forum regarding Canon's responsiveness to Canon Design wants and matching Nikon.


Wow if this new flash were to be compatible with both the odin and pw systems.  I kind of doubt it, but i guess its time to wait and see!

Why do anything with the Odin.  While some people may like them, the install basis is tiny.  PW to Odins out there are what 100 - 1?  200 - 1?  (i.e. for every Odin out there, there are 100 to 200 PWs, as well as Strobe, Light Meters, and other equipment with PW BUILT IN.

And for the folks that further don't see the advantage of this... All of the sudden it allows CANON to sell SPEEDLIGHTS to NIKON users.

It also allows CANON to sell Speedlights to PENTAX or who ever else has an EXTERNAL SHOE and can fit the PW.  Let PW do the ETTL work and branch out into SONY etc all... Long and short which does Canon make more money, selling a SPEEDLIGHT that can be used with almost any camera, and with many systems, is ETTL, or only sell to Canon Users and try to convince an imbeded base do sell out their own gear. 

Will Canon do it?  Doubt it.  But they would double their sales of the 590 EX if they did.  Guaranteed.  And frankly I would rather sell twice as many speedlights than half as many triggers

EOS Bodies / Re: Used 5D2...?
« on: February 23, 2012, 11:44:48 AM »
Another thing to think of... the used price may reflect age but market demand... I posed a question yesterday that if the new 5d3 comes in as a $3500 price point, could the 5d2 retail jump back up to the $2600  price it originally started at and many people agreed, especially if canon keeps it around as an entry level camera and the 5d3 being the step up camera... If that's true, it could drive used prices up also with a higher demand on the 5d2.  As far as if you want/need it or not, only you can answer that question and if it's worth it to you or not.

Yup!  I have owned my 5DMKII for 4 months and can either sell it for the same price I paid, or even make some money.

I think the price will go up more if Canon retires the 5DMKII.  I think a lot of people were HOPING this camera to be in the $2000 - $2500 range, and the extra $800 - $1000 puts many people outside their comfort zone. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Should I buy the 5DMkIII now or wait for 5DMK2
« on: February 23, 2012, 11:35:09 AM »
Think you missed one.

"5DMKIII is an upgrade to the 5DMKII, I plan on upgrading, but not for a year or more."

I will upgrade to the 5DMKIII or 5DX or what ever the large MP may be, but will let the dust settle and maximize my return

EOS Bodies / Re: Used 5D2...?
« on: February 23, 2012, 10:49:10 AM »
Couple thoughts.

For one if you are being offered $1800, then the price of the 5D3 right now is almost DOUBLE THAT... Not $1K more but $1700

Second, Not sure about the "price drop" especially if the 5DIII is $3000+, just slightly more MP, faster FPS, Better ISO, Better AF.  Prices went UP after the holidays, and I have seen cherry / low use almost new 5DII a lot higher on eBay than they were before.  I see < 10,000 shutter actuations sometimes hitting over $1900~!  Even if it goes down, I don't think it will drop too much, maybe $1700 for the Cherries, and $1500 for the heavier used.

Third, what is the availability?  The 1DX has been delayed.   So if announced basically beginning of March, maybe available April / May, or possibly JUNE or later... It might be 4 or 5 months before you can get your hands on it. 

canon should buy pocket wizard....  combine the flashes and triggers...

Who says they won't.

By the same regard since someone mentioned that they wondered if the Canon Radio would be compatible with the Odins.  Who knows?  The 2.4 frequency is more universal, but does have interference issues.  Then again, PW is built into light meters and many of strobes already (i.e. no need for extra receivers) as well as PW has a much larger installation base...

So if Canon made these speed lights PW compatible, anyone with a PW could trigger them, the Mini TT1 or Flex can be used for ETTL, and while Canon may lose a little from is SE controller, they would gain HUGE from the savings of most implementers of having what is a PW compatible Speedlight, i.e. no need for Speedlight and Receiver, works with most of the gear that is out there already...

Things like the PW III would be used for studio stobes, and then the Canon Speedlight acts like a 580 AND FLEX5 all in one...

Would not be surprised if the 590 EX came out as PW-Compatible.  Would not be surprised if it was proprietary, but could see making the 590 EX PW Compatible would be a big selling point

EOS Bodies / Re: What will we do after Feb 27/28?
« on: February 23, 2012, 07:56:34 AM »
This new body looks like a great camera. 

It is also what I was expecting, all depending on what the FPS is, and I am guessing somewhere around 7. 

If I wanted to buy a 5D MKII and a 7D, that is a $4100 proposition for the most part, so with a list of $3500, we will probably see $3200 and maybe $2900 by the holidays. 

I expect IQ to be better than the 5D, the AF looks much improved, and I am fine with 22MP. 

Will I buy?  Eventually... Maybe around the holidays... I have plenty of time to wait and see what the big MP camera that Canon releases is. 

This camera may not have the reach of the 7D that many like, but something tells me the IQ on this is going to be great, the AF better than the 7D, and if it has better weather sealing, and similar FPS... This is basically a best of both worlds camera.

My question, which surprisingly hasn't come up, is:

What is the point of a radio controlled flash if you don't have built in triggers on your cameras? 

If this is true, isn't Canon just throwing business to third parties?  I suppose Canon could release it's own trigger system, but why do that when you've just released two flagship cameras? 

I would have thought the 1DX and 5D3/X would have utilized a radio system, if Canon had planned to release a radio controlled flash.  It's just stupidity on their part, if that's the case.

I realize that 5D3/X specs are speculation at this point, but there hasn't been the slightest rumor.  Plus, the 1DX has had an official announcement, without mention.  Is this something Canon could have left off the spec sheet and will enable with a firmware upgrade prior to launch, just to conceal the announcement of a radio flash unit?

Something about the above just doesn't sit right with me, but I guess we'll find out in 5-6 days...

Simply that mounting a 590 EX on your camera, and having one remote, they no longer have to be line of sight.  The current Canon Flashes need line of sight to do Master/Slave, so changing to RF would be an upgrade and make sense

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