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I have seen that you cannot mix and match the RF and IR wireless modes. The 600's are compatible with the old 580's via IR wireless only (obviously). I wonder if you can control a 600EX-RT in a soft-box like the Westcott Apollo via the ST-E3 in the hotshoe with RF wireless and have the 600-EX-RT control the legacy 4xx/5xx flash via IR?

Has anyone seen reference to this?

No Hybrid... It is one or the other... It is either Radio or IR.  The lack of a simple add on trigger for this system (i.e cannot control non 600EX-RT via radio) makes this system crippled and limited.  Shame.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« on: March 02, 2012, 02:26:29 PM »
The problem Canon has with pricing and sales will not be the Mark III. Most willing to pay $3000 will figure out a way of getting $3500. But for $700 more than the Mark II, the Nikon D800 is tempting. Personally I prefer the Mark III to the D800 (I prefer to have low light abilities and speed than MP), but the D800 is a more modest upgrade from current 5D mark II owners and offers improvements everywhere if you don't mind switching.

Depends on what you are considering upgrade...

In terms of cost, Nikon is a smaller jump, and yeah, you get a bunch more pixels.  In terms up upgrade, IQ and ISO on the Canon look very very good from the early shots, and ISO 25,600 versus 6400??? 

I think the Nikon might have a little bit better metering, but in terms of AF and ISO, these look stellar for Canon, especially if low light is necessary... like a wedding photog needing to shoot in a church. 

I think in the end, the Nikon is an easier "step" for some to make, but the Canon is the "bigger" step in terms of quality.   Canon also appears to be faster FPS as well.  Not surprising given the MP difference, but I think side by side, Nikon gets Metering, MP, and maybe some small video, but Canon kills it in ISO, IQ and AF seems like it may be a win as well

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Count me as underwhelmed.    Distance is marked at 100 ft for the most part, though have seen some test as far as 300... Basically if you are in an urban setting they are expecting interference. 

Secondly, no option right now for non-Speed lite triggering... i.e. this system can fire 600 EX speedlites and future speedlights, but that is it.  The 600 EX can be fired optically, but you cannot say do hybrid - 580s Optically and 600s radio.  If you have other speed lights or strobes you want to fire, you are SOL unless you are setting up to fire upon flash. 

While some have had issues with the Flex, I still like the fact that I can fire my Photogenic PL2500DRRs with my Sekonic Light Meter, my PW II, or my Mini or Flex as well as with my 580 on a Flex, fire that, or hook a cord into any other flash and sync of the PW.  the Phottix Odin and Stratos combo can pretty much do the same as well.

Not sure what I am missing other than price, or maybe I have missed something, but I did not see anything this set up could really do that the 580s with Flex or Odin couldn't do, and if anything else, at least the PW and Phottix solution allowed for non speed lites to be included in the mix

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Full Spec List?
« on: March 01, 2012, 08:50:33 AM »
If this list is even close to accurate, would like to congratulate Canon on focusing on IQ and delivering what looks to be a killer camera body.  I still may be months to a year away from purchasing, but this does likely seem like a body I will own in the next 6 - 18 months, with the off possibility that their high MP might be a little more interesting...

So far, this is a very compelling camera to me, and seems to address my want list very very well

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EOS Bodies / Re: The (un)official I'm switching to Nikon thread
« on: March 01, 2012, 06:50:36 AM »
To insure the grass is green on both sides of the fence.... you have to pee on both sides...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Here's an Invite for March 2, 2012
« on: February 29, 2012, 08:28:52 AM »
Does not seem like a T4i release indeed.  Will be interesting to see if Canon has some hidden gems / surprises for the 5D Mk III

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: February 29, 2012, 08:04:26 AM »
Yeah... It is discontinued.

Seriously... if the 5D MKIII has improved AF, weather sealing and FPS, the only difference for a 7D upgrade becomes crop sensor, and at that point... why bother.

My guess is the 70D becomes the legacy to the 7D

Exactly for that 1.6 crop sensor (extra reach) and the price . They will aim the new 7D ( or whatever will be called) to those photographers who can not afford a 1Dx.

And price it where? 

7D vs 5D MK II had at least SOME differentiation between the bodies other than Crop vs FF.

7D had a little better sealing, faster FPS, better AF and seemed more geared towards the sports shooter
5D MK II had the FF sensor, a little better IQ, a little better ISO and handling of noise, and larger MP and seemed geared towards the portrait studio shooter. 

5D MK III whether people like it or not seems to have merged the two lines, especially if the MP stays in the low 20s.

For the 5D MK II users, you get better AF, faster FPS and better sealing, and otherwise same MP, maybe a little better ISO and sealing... i.e. a 5D MK II with some of the best features from the 7D.

For the 7D shooter, you get a larger size sensor, better ISO, Better AF, Better sealing, and better IQ.  Only downside is loosing some of the reach, but all and all it is the 7D with the IQ of the 5D MK II and FF and more MP.

60D and 7D started getting fairly close and I just have a hard time seeing Canon trying to continue with T4i, 70D, 7D MK II, 5DMK III and 1Dx when the t4i, 70D and 7D MK II will likely be very close features, perhaps too close to keep 3 bodies in the space

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: February 29, 2012, 05:26:05 AM »
Yeah... It is discontinued.

Seriously... if the 5D MKIII has improved AF, weather sealing and FPS, the only difference for a 7D upgrade becomes crop sensor, and at that point... why bother.

My guess is the 70D becomes the legacy to the 7D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Selling 5D mk ll. Reasonable price?
« on: February 28, 2012, 07:57:04 AM »
You might be able to sell on ebay for $1800, but it will cost you $150 or more for fees.  I'd ask $1775 on CL and be willing to come down to $1650.

Having the manuals, CD's and cables helps.  Even a old 35-80mm EF lens might bring a extra $100 when bundled with it.

New MK II's are about to Drop to the $2000 level, so sell quickly while they are still $2269.

Ebay Fees on this item would be capped at $100.  Now you do have to add in the PayPal Fees, which is $52 (2.9%) on $1800. 

It is a wash on Craigslist at $1650 if you can get $1800 on eBay with a bigger market. 

One of the best places I have found to move this gear is actually Amazon.   I got more for my 18 - 135, 10-22, and 70-200 f/4 off of there than I did off of CL... Close to DOUBLE what the tire kickers on CL were offering. 

Amazon pretty much does rape you with the fees, but after a week of tire kickers on CL offering $200 for my 70-200 F/4, or $500 on my 10-22, wound up selling 3 lenses and my 430 EX II in about 3 hours for pretty decent money after the commissions.

Also it can be a great way to split up transactions for those aware of the new IRS rules, basically the 200 / $20,000.  If you are clearing out a bunch of gear on either site, it is easy to get the dollar amounts up, and then realize you have a ton of rinky dink transactions that might make you have to file for all those DVDs and CDs you cleared out at $4 a pop.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Selling 5D mk ll. Reasonable price?
« on: February 28, 2012, 07:45:08 AM »
I don't mean to be the proverbial rain on the parade... but the best answer to your inquiry IS what someone wants to pay for it.
Any pricing you have seen in the past for the 5DmkII, or see now, has no significance - they are for a used 'current model'. After the new model is announced the resale value will decline noticeably on used, and will likely steadily decline on the remaining new inventory until they are gone.

Really?  Somewhat true, but given that the 5D... not 5D MK II, but the ORIGINAL 5D still sells comfortably in the $1000 - $1200 range, don't see the 5D MK II, especially with low shutter count selling down that way for quite some time.

Generally I have found that most upper end electronics and gear that are not at the NEW INTRODUCTION of technology, especially when it comes to being gear that is used for a professional or production basis, tends to suffer initial drops during its lifecycle, and less drop during its 1st generation replacement. 

This especially holds true, when advancements come incremental and more about increasing capabilities of features.

This also holds true as PRODUCTION costs decreases... like the first plasma TVs that were $10,000+ obviously came down because future generations were less than $2000.

There is more pressure for the price to remain higher on the 5D MK II as Canon's entry into the FF market for most people, because of its capabilities and closeness to its replacement. 

The camera I expect to see a more significant drop in would be the original 5D which is now soon to be 2 generations old... but still I don't expect to see the 5D MK II selling for less in general than the 7D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Selling 5D mk ll. Reasonable price?
« on: February 27, 2012, 08:32:32 AM »
Some recent eBay prices.

120863177574 - $1975 - Used, Not Refurb, Opteka Grip, Extra Battery, around 500 shutter

150764608563 - $1875 - Used, Not Refurb, around 1500 shutter, no info on box, cds, etc

190643162836 - $1777.99 - Used, 30,000 Shutter, LCD Scuff and dust issues.  Extra battery

290673438812 - $1885 - REFURB, Used, purchased Dec 2011, 1500 shutter, scratches LCD

260961565936 - $1750 - Used, Not Refurb, 3 years old, wear grip and body, some chips, scratches LCD, 30,000 Shutter

120866413711 - $1900 - Used, 1800 shutter,  SD card

150764430022 - $1950 - Used, Not Refurb - 1 yr old, no shutter count given

All of these auctions have ended in the last day or so.  Did see a plain 5D sell for $1200. 

Most 5D MK IIs right now with 5000 or less shutter counts are selling for $1900 range, especially if well maintained, no scratches, etc.  The ones I see selling in the $1700s generally have 30,000+ shutter counts, scratches on body, scratches on LCD, etc.

Granted, the 5D MK II for the most part is selling at $2400 now, but these used prices are not off from much when I was buying in November when you could grab a new 5D MK II for $2100 - $2200.

Hell, I saw more than a few refurbs like 230746630502 selling $1800+, so $1850 for a Refurb with 11000 shutter and Eg-D focusing screen. 

Looking at the Refurbs that sold in the last month on eBay - $1885, $1850, $1900, $1725, and the $1725... 113K shutter!!!!   (130645166410)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Selling 5D mk ll. Reasonable price?
« on: February 27, 2012, 05:51:41 AM »
What kills you is yours is refurbed. 

People stating $1200 are whack and really don't know the market...

As a NEWER buyer of the 5D MK II (November), when Canon had Refurb Stock at $1999, and the new cameras were selling for $2200, the eBay / Craigslist price range for low shutter with box and everything was high 1700s to low 1800s  (basically a little over $150 off the refurb) but the refurbs sell out quickly.   When the refurbs were sold out, 1900s were not uncommon.

Some people actually like the refurbs over used since many feel they have been inspected, checked, and pretty much serviced again, and some think refurbs get even closer looks than the general manufacturing quality checks.  I see more people championing what a great camera they got refurb, than those who regretted it.

We have not seen the "new lower" prices yet, but if new the body is $1999, and the refurb is $1799, then I would price your body at around 1550 - $1650 which is $150 - $250 off the refurb price.  The refurbs sell out quickly. 

What most people discount when they start throwing out prices of $1200 is the price of 7D bodies, and sorry, even with a lower price on the 5D, you will not see nearly new 5D MK IIs selling for less than 7D refurbs ($1350)   

Even during the holidays, when the new 5D MK IIs could be picked up for $2100 or so with the rebates, people were still paying $1800+ for used with shutter counts much higher....  I watched a TON of listing for close to a month to find mine

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will Canon chop the 5D Mark II price?
« on: February 25, 2012, 05:30:54 AM »
Where do you see a $500 price cut?  Most stores I see are still $2600 - $2700

Nikon also would have to cut the price, since the price is relatively close $3000 versus $2700

Canon on the other hand, even though no official announcement, looks to be $3500 versus $2300

So no... There may be a price drop, but with $1200 difference, don't expect a huge drop if any. 

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D800 high ISO noise samples
« on: February 24, 2012, 09:47:59 AM »
The only thing I can draw from those images:

1)  Either the D700 shots are dodgy and deliberately misscaled, resized or OOF to make the shots look worse...

-- or --

2)  The D700 was a real POS when it came to high ISO,

and I love this one quote in the description at the top:  You will have to ignore the fact that all D700 samples are blurry and just pay attention to the ISO performance.

How can you judge ISO performance from a focused image to an OOF image???

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So a few thoughts....

#1 - I am the originator of the 590 EX - PW Compatible rumor.  I have also stated that I highly doubt Canon will do this, but if they did, I am certain they would sell AT LEAST DOUBLE the number of 590 EX flashes as they would using a proprietary radio.

Why is this?  For one, PW has the LARGEST installation / Usage base IN THE WORLD.  As an example, I will make this offer to the Odin zealots out there.  I will give you $100 for every Odin user if you give me $10 for every PW user.  I can tell you now, the check I WOULD RECEIVE would be enough to more than buy all the new bodies AND the new LENSES Canon has out there.

As well, this also opens Canon up to non Canon brands... all of the sudden Pentax, Nikon and other users who have PWs can add the Canon Flash. 

#2  I see the comment "there are so many issues and complaints with PW and non for Odin"  Seriously?  See above.  Odin has only been available in the US for a few weeks.  I personally have not seen ONE on a store shelf, studio or in the field.  I have, however, seen HUNDREDS of PW personally, especially when I was spending time in NY studio.  If you have 1 million photographers using PW and a few hundred using Odins, which do you think you will see more blogs or post for... As well... Reading this forum alone, one would think that the 5DMKII was a total piece of crap, and while not perfect, there are a lot of photographers who not only use it regularly, but still love it.

#3 3rd party compatibility.  Will Sekonic light meters fire off an Odin.  NO.  Will Odin trigger a Photogenic PL strobe?  No.  Norman?  No.  ProFoto?  And yes, you can dangle an Odin off of many of these, but why bother, PW is BUILT IN to many of these monolights, devices, and packs. 

#4  You cannot light meter with an Odin.  As of right now, you cannot turn off the pre-flash, even in manual.  I like to use my light meter, just the same as I spend 90% of my time in M on my camera and maybe 10% split between AV / TV.  This pre-flash screws up light metering.  True, many just use the histograms on the back, but still a lot of us like to dial in our shots

#5 The 580 issue, which some have experienced and others haven't was an issue with the 580, not the Flex.  The 580 was a piece of junk when it comes to shielding and leaking RF, and while many try and blame PW for that, it was really Canon's issue, as well, shooting with a 580 on your hot shoe, that RF leak has the potential to add noise to your shots.  Poorly shielded and leaking electronics are generally bad....

We will see what comes out of the 590 EX.  If I were Canon, I would make the 590 EX PW compatible because of the HUGE user base for PW, the instant compatibility with brands like Sekonic, ProFoto, Photogenic, and Norman to name a few, the bigger incentive for 580 users to upgrade, as well as the ability for ANY Camera that has a HOT SHOE or Synch connection to be able to fire your flash out of the box.  Probably won't happen, but then again, Canon is not necessarily known for brilliant moves, especially if you trust posts on this forum regarding Canon's responsiveness to Canon Design wants and matching Nikon.

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