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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II: More High ISO Samples
« on: September 28, 2014, 07:56:16 PM »
It could well be that I'm doing NR wrong and if you have any suggestions, I would appreciate them.

Start with this:

Sharpening 40, Radius 1, Detail 25, Masking 40
Luminance NR 40, Detail 90, Contrast 0
Color NR 25, Detail 50, Smoothness 50

Messing around:  For more detail, try increasing the first two detail sliders (say, 30 and 100) and sharpening (say, 50-60).  For more NR, try increasing L-NR without decreasing detail first.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II: More High ISO Samples
« on: September 28, 2014, 06:09:34 PM »
So it looks like Viggo and raptor3x are probably the only guys here(besides me, duh)who even know what this new feature cures. They say it cures it, but it's almost a fantasy that they are able to pull this off. Anyway it's good to know that out of the thousands of photo guys here, 3 guys(me included) know what the hell is going on.

I can't even imagine how it would work for stills.  I'm pretty sure its a video feature.  But as someone that occasionally shoots indoor sports, I hope I'm wrong!


It only works for stills.  The metering sensor senses the lighting flicker frequency and synchronizes shutter release to the peaks of the flickering lights.  Not only are all shots the same, they also get the maximum light.

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I really screwed up my knee, and weather is blowing in rather fiercely now. I can hardly walk, so hiking up to my landscape spots (Long Lake is a great one, but it's a decent hike up past Brainard Lake, which is a nice area...and I can't take any hikes like that now. :().

I'll see what I can do about getting some more demonstration shots.  Given the tone of this thread, I don't think it will matter much...same old stuff, same old retorts, same old nastiness. I simply set out to demonstrate the differences, as best as possible...which required an extreme situation. It doesn't matter if you always do a 5-stop push, even with a one or two stop push, the differences can be realized.

I'm pretty dismayed at some of the insults being thrown, not even at myself, it's just not necessary (Sporgon!) We can be civil about this issue.

I often fly off of Nern lake at Long Lake Park.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II: More High ISO Samples
« on: September 28, 2014, 05:14:06 PM »
I never said game changer for bif and wildlife. I said it was superb if you're not in the high end 1d market. I said the anti flickering mode is a game changer, and it is.

I think it's hard to understand how big of a deal this is if you haven't shot indoor sports in crappy lighting.

So it looks like Viggo and raptor3x are probably the only guys here(besides me, duh)who even know what this new feature cures. They say it cures it, but it's almost a fantasy that they are able to pull this off. Anyway it's good to know that out of the thousands of photo guys here, 3 guys(me included) know what the hell is going on.

Four.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II: More High ISO Samples
« on: September 28, 2014, 03:57:03 PM »
...This camera is a sports/bif dream if you ask me....

And the anti-flickering mode for fluorecent light? Are you kidding me? That is a game changer...
 

A "game changer" for bif and wildlife? - I've taken tens of thousands of shots with my 7D and NONE of them were under fluorescent lights.



Yes, I do realize this thread is about IQ and noise, but that shouldn't be the main reason to buy or not but the 7d2. But you take a fantastic shot with perfect focus in a ridicolous fast pace situation and that epic moment, or would you like a miss focused shot that is superclean with 14 stops of DR? Then buy another camera.


I don't care how accurate the focus is if the RAW file is noisy at 1600 ISO and higher. Cleaning the noise will reduce the sharpness, so what good is it?

Baloney.  It would take a hell of a lot of noise reduction to reduce real resolution as much as a tiny bit of missed focus does.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II: More High ISO Samples
« on: September 27, 2014, 11:47:45 PM »
You want to shoot some hockey with this? Must be a sturdier build than ever.

I think what he meant was using it for warmups.  Game time with full contact is best left to 1 series bodies.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Says Higher Resolution Sensors Are Coming Soon
« on: September 27, 2014, 04:58:52 PM »
One advantage that the 7D II can offer that I don't think the 5D III or 1D X could ever really compete with is the ability to get long equivalent focal length at a faster max aperture...allowing the use of more than just the central cluster of AF points at the much slower f/8. The 7D II could achieve an effective 1344mm focal length (FoV equivalent) at f/5.6. At best, FF cameras can achieve 1200mm f/8. The added AF power the 7D II can offer at a very long effective focal length is intriguing.

That's true if your output requires more than the 7-8.6 MP you'd get by shooting the FF at 840mm f/5.6 and cropping to the APS-C FoV.  Granted, the 20 MP APS-C allows deeper cropping, but in most cases the IQ will suffer from atmospheric impact at distances which would require such deep cropping.

birds are often very small so the distance even at 800mm and more are not always all that great and atmospherics don't always play much of a part in things

Yes, to demonstrate the point, this (rare and exotic) bird was less than 50 feet away, and this was taken at 1,900mm on 1.6-crop.

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What the hell does "approximate EVF view" mean, is it the base exposure pre processing or not?

Default raw conversion, much like the out-of-camera JPEG or the camera's output to an EVF.

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I know there are a few options of accessories for Sony cameras... But is there not match any flash available? :P
Understand the scientific motivation for this comparison, and see the superiority of EXMOR sensor in this case. But in the real world these photo could only be made ​​as dark as well because of a terrible mistake photographer. :o
On the other hand, I ask if anyone can repotir this shooting at ISO 6400 test, and see if EXMOR still leading. ::)
This isn't under exposed.  If he exposes properly for the indoor environment, the windows would be totally white and unrecoverable.  If you want to preserve the outside view through the windows, you have to shoot it like this or use artificial lighting to more closely match the two lighting environments.
In the real world, if the purpose of this photo was the view through the windows, the photographer would open the windows first. ??? If he would only see silhouettes of furniture, there is no reason to lift the shadows in PP. ::)

Here's real world.  This is inside a hotel and the windows are open.  The sky was blue and I didn't want to turn it to solid white or for all of that light to wipe out the ceiling structure.  Forget the annotations.


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I know there are a few options of accessories for Sony cameras... But is there not match any flash available? :P

Understand the scientific motivation for this comparison, and see the superiority of EXMOR sensor in this case. But in the real world these photo could only be made ​​as dark as well because of a terrible mistake photographer. :o

On the other hand, I ask if anyone can repotir this shooting at ISO 6400 test, and see if EXMOR still leading. ::)

This isn't under exposed.  If he exposes properly for the indoor environment, the windows would be totally white and unrecoverable.  If you want to preserve the outside view through the windows, you have to shoot it like this or use artificial lighting to more closely match the two lighting environments.

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Yes...in a situation where it is not needed.

In fact, in all my years of shooting, I've never once come across a situation where I couldn't get enough DR from a Canon camera at base ISO.  Well, except once, and in that case I needed around 30 stops or so, and I don't think even the lens could manage that due to flare.

I need more DR at high ISO all the time.  Fortunately, Canon delivers there.

You have never come across a situation where you couldnt get enough DR from a Canon camera at base ISO??!! I come across this limitation almost every single time I go out shooting a sunrise/sunset scene.

For multiple reasons, I don't shoot landscapes.

Most landscapes I've seen that were shot with 15 stops of DR look ridiculous and unnatural anyway.

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Looks like the a7r will be your landscape cam. Now you can shorten your posts to a link to this thread when the issue rises.

As for Lee jay, I would say a bounce flash.

Yes, as should be quite obvious, a flash is often a great way to control scene contrast.  That was a 550EX fired into the ceiling.

You do realize the whole point was to demonstrate DR, right?

Yes...in a situation where it is not needed.

In fact, in all my years of shooting, I've never once come across a situation where I couldn't get enough DR from a Canon camera at base ISO.  Well, except once, and in that case I needed around 30 stops or so, and I don't think even the lens could manage that due to flare.

I need more DR at high ISO all the time.  Fortunately, Canon delivers there. 

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Looks like the a7r will be your landscape cam. Now you can shorten your posts to a link to this thread when the issue rises.

As for Lee jay, I would say a bounce flash.

Yes, as should be quite obvious, a flash is often a great way to control scene contrast.  That was a 550EX fired into the ceiling.

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Looks a lot like a shot I took a long, long time ago with my 20D.  Guess how I did that...


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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Why haven't you left canon?
« on: September 26, 2014, 10:55:29 PM »
Why would I?  No one else has anything close to what I need.

I looked at moving to Nikon.  In addition to not having what I really want and not liking their ergonomics, it would have cost me about $8,000 to sell my Canon gear and buy similar Nikon gear.

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