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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Bryan Carnathan's 1D X Review Is Finished
« on: August 02, 2012, 07:42:44 PM »
There has been much focus on low light/high iso for the 1DX

I haven't been able to see much reporting on high light/low iso yet.

Well by no mean I am not a reference here but I am VERY impressed with the low ISO performnace of the 1DX.  The amount of details is incredible.  My only comparable point of reference would be the Nikon D4 since I already sold the 5D mkII and I have no experience with previous Canon 1D product.

That said, while I believe the Nikon D4 still has a higher DR at low ISO, I find the 1DX at ISO 100 to produce more impressive image.  As well, anything shot below ISO 500 is unbielevably good for me anyway.

The first image below is ISO 250 while the second one is ISO 400.

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Lenses / Re: *UPDATE* Canon EF 135 f/1.8L IS
« on: August 02, 2012, 02:06:18 PM »
Real or not, I want one!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX vs 5D3
« on: July 28, 2012, 09:33:17 PM »
What about the dynamic range?  Any thoughts on how the 1DX stackes against the 5D mkIII in that regards?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-1D X vs Nikon D4
« on: July 26, 2012, 01:01:21 PM »
I found another interesting view of the 1DX from a Nikon shooter this morning.  Very impressive comments on high ISO pictures (like ISO 8000-16000)...

http://www.andyrouse.co.uk/index.php?link=blog

I also want to point out that Matt, in the test posted in this thread, has not said anything about selling all his Nikon lens as another posted suggested.  He just said he would use the 1DX...  At least unless I missed something.  Still a very relevant interview.

The D4 and 1DX are both great.  This is the reality  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX and DxO Optics Pro compatibility
« on: July 25, 2012, 02:41:39 PM »
Thanks, JR.

Regarding #3, what "Camera Calibration" are you using in LightRoom? Haven't played too much with it for the 1DX, but for my old T1I, I found some of the presets better for certain types of images than for others. I often ended up with "Camera Faithful," but sometimes "Landscape" got the  color balance more to my liking.

Your mileage may, of course, vary =)

Shawn L.

always use the neutral profile...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX and DxO Optics Pro compatibility
« on: July 25, 2012, 01:38:08 PM »

Out of curiosity, what issues are you seeing processing 1DX files in LightRoom (or what do you see better in DxO)?

Shawn L.

I am only starting to use DxO and cannot use it for 1DX yet, but with Lightroom, I am not sure I would call them issues but I did notice that on some shots, there was significant differences between what I can do in LR4 versus DPP.  In general I find LR4 to have more options, but here are some of the "issues" I experienced on some shots:

1- sometimes the sharpening is not as good in LR compared to DPP.  My images are softer in LR with much less details compared to DPP and this is more significant on some shots but not all...This is even more pronounce if I use the DLO option in DPP (Digital Lens Optimiser) which LR does not have.

2- While I prefer the noise reduction in LR, sometimes it gives a feeling of "plasticity" to the image where I would not have that using DPP.  Now this is a tricky one because in general I find the noise reduction in DPP not very good.  But some shots I made in ISO 1600 for example dont look that detailed in LR4 but in DPP they look like an ISO 100 shot!  Again this depends a lot on lighting, and how big is my subject in my framing (face most of the time).

3- the biggest things that bug me with LR and the 1DX are the colors are all off and so is the white balance.  Everytime I import an image in LR from the 1DX the WB is off and the colors are not at all what they were in the camera.  I need to play with everyimage to make it right.  On the contrary when I use DPP at least the colors are all great and WB always good!  I use LR for some Nikon files as well and I dont have this issue with Nikon files.  Colors and WB are perfect when imported into LR.  Even the exposure seem off sometime with the 1DX in LR but when I check in DPP everything is good.  Hell at first I thought the metering on the 1DX was really bad, but  I knew this was not possible, something else was happening here and must be how Adobe read the 1DX raw...

I have not figured out how to create of import the actual Canon picture style into Lightroom (I thought this was possible) but maybe this would help.  Iin fact this is a cool features I noticed DxO has which I found useful...if it could read my 1DX files :-)

The key here is that I mentionned some shots, because the above observations are not consistent for everytype of shots.

This is why I am looking for an alternative then LR for the 1DX, something more flexible then DPP...

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX and DxO Optics Pro compatibility
« on: July 25, 2012, 01:23:18 PM »
For sharpening in DxO, do you use the "lens softness" features or the unsharp mask?

I usually use the lens softness feature, since that's driven by the microcontrast mapping done on the specific camera/lens combo.  If I'm rescuing an image (slightly OOF where I want to make it 'look sharper' for a small print, for example), I add the unsharp mask on top of the lens softness (although I often do that step on a TIF exported to CS6 if the image needs a lot of work).

Ok thanks.  The lens softness option seem much less "destructive" yet very effective compared to other method.  I was impressed by it!  Thanks.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX and DxO Optics Pro compatibility
« on: July 25, 2012, 12:02:32 PM »
So I guess you are using DPP for now yourself?

Yep.  The conversion is decent (although with 7D and 5DII files, I found that DxO was better than DPP).  The UI sucks.  One example - what's so hard about having the crop frame pre-set to the shot orientation?  When I crop a landscape shot, and the next shot is portrait, I have to click the pop-up and set the ratio from 3:2 to 2:3.  WTF?!?

For sharpening in DxO, do you use the "lens softness" features or the unsharp mask? 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 1DX and DxO Optics Pro compatibility
« on: July 25, 2012, 11:51:49 AM »
You haven't missed anything, DxO can't process 1D X RAW files yet.  I'm sure they'll release an updated version and the new modules pretty soon.  They probably got their camera around the same time as everyone else, and they've got to run tests on ~90 lenses.  I didn't think to check how long it took them after the 5DIII became available to release the update and modules, but it's out now, so at most I'd say a ~3 month wait.

Ah ok thanks Neuro.  AFter playing with DxO 7.5 a bit, it seem better then Lightroom to process RAW.  I wanted to try it for the 1DX because Lightroom certainly does not seem to be well optimized for the 1DX RAW files yet.  On many occasion I can get better result using DPP for the 1DX.  It is just that I hate the workflow with DPP and find much more limited to play to things like highlights, shadows, colors, and noise reduction.  LR seem to do a bettter job for noise reduction compared to DPP.

So I guess you are using DPP for now yourself?

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EOS Bodies / 1DX and DxO Optics Pro compatibility
« on: July 25, 2012, 08:45:40 AM »
I know many of you use the DxO software to process your RAW file.  Did I miss something or is it possible the OPtics PRo software is not yet compatible with the 1DX?  Cant get DxO to read my 1DX files...

Thanks for your input...

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EOS Bodies / Re: B&H shipping of the 1DX?
« on: July 23, 2012, 03:59:38 PM »
Guys, why dont you look around? I did order from B&H, then I did cancel my order and I did go with Abes of Maine, they did not even get a shipment or eta as of yet, someone on Saturday posted that local dealer has 4 in stock, day later I did call (saturdat) and they had it, I got tracking number and expecting camera to arive tomorrow, no pre order or anything. I did call abes or maine and I did cancel my order as I am getting this camera tomorrow without any hassle.

I agree, the availability is better from samller store sometimes.  I long ago cancelled my B&H order unfortunately because I already got my unit from Camera Canada - great service BTW.  I even believe they have some coming this week or next and are not fully assigned yet...

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX vs D4
« on: July 23, 2012, 09:12:55 AM »
I'm still surprised they picked the D4 as the better high ISO ... :S

Having used both, my humble opinion would be the the D4 might a touch cleaner (1/3 of a stop or 1/2 stop at most) all the way to ISO 6400.  Then from ISO 6400 onward, it seems the 1DX is better.  For the first time I shot some ISO 16,000 this week-end with the 1DX and they were actually very usable!!!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX err80
« on: July 23, 2012, 09:10:25 AM »
I shot about 60 shots with my 85L this monring on the 1DX and did not get any error message...

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Lighting / Re: When do you use spot metering?
« on: July 22, 2012, 08:52:17 PM »

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My preference is candid portrait so I'm either on "spot" or "partial" most of the time. I'm usually outside where circumstances can change radically from one shot to the next so I want control of exposure in the face area, which is where I focus and is what I want to show/see. Spot can sometimes be limiting for only the face area, so partial is generally my preference as it meters a slightly wider area that may account for contrast between hair, clothing, hats, etc.

As one person also mentioned, spot is good for macro when you don't want the background affecting the metering of the tiny thing you want to see.

Another situation is night shooting, especially when shooting lights. This meters only the bright light so the light comes out correctly as well as providing a faster shutter speed. This can be good for holiday lighting too.

As for the "skin tone" you mentioned, I don't see exposure affecting this much. And it's easily altered in post if you shoot RAW. More often, in my experience, skin tone is a matter of white balance. This is especially true with women wearing makeup. I've had difficulty with pictures of couples where you can adjust to make the man look good, but the women looks awful. If you make the woman look good, the man looks bad. That takes more than WB and exposure to get a good look.

This makes perfect sense!  I tried it tonight for some quick snapshot using spot because lighting was terrible.  Actually turned out pretty usable!  For those interested, this is an ISO 16,000 shot!

I will for sure practice more for sure and make sure to stop using the default metering settings!   :P

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Lighting / Re: When do you use spot metering?
« on: July 22, 2012, 08:46:23 PM »
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I usually do not play with metering myself but by mistake i took a few portraits with spot metering inside without flash and actually found the skin tone better this way.  Just not sure if i risk overexposing too much other part of the picture if i use this consistently...

Thats exactly the situation where spot metering comes into it's own.   However it sounds like you have been lucky with the correct rendition of the skin tone.   I would use spot metering in conjunction with exposure compensation.
If you take it that the camera meter is calibrated for 18% grey then you may need to shift the metering by a stop or so either way depending on your subject.

Don't worry so much about over or under exposing other areas.  Meter for whats important and let the rest fall into place.  If you have people who are very pale, or people who are very dark then you will need to compensate from what the meter gives you, as it may try to render very dark or very white skins as midtones, which would be wrong for the subject and wrong for everything else as well.

The great thing with DSLRs is that you can preview or immediately check.  Have an assistant stand under the same light source, take a few test shots.  I would even be tempted to use manual exposure...  once you've set it up for the light it will be right for all your subjects of any colour or hue, provided the light is uniform.

And bear in mind the meter can help, but it can also be wrong. Especially if your subject is far removed from midtone.

Thanks!  Great feed-back...

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