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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 18, 2012, 10:05:48 PM »

yes i specified all 2 of them 

Well, say what you want, but I own EF-s lenses as well as EF "L" lenses and some EF-s lenses I have I will put against "L" glass anyday.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 18, 2012, 09:52:00 PM »

the whole EF-S lens thing is really a non issue for the following reasons

Um WRONG. Some EF-s lenses are just as good as many "L" class lenses and Canon continues to produce them.

Example: Standard Zoom Lenses (7 EF-s lenses vs 3 EF lenses and 1 is a replacement)

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup

Some EF-s lenses are very expensive, tell this to many happy EF-s lens owners, like myself, that Canon somehow will not take EF-s lenses into consideration when releasing an upgrade to a current camera line.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 18, 2012, 09:34:41 PM »

• Mirrorless becomes the new entry level multi-lens camera
• 4Ti/650D is the continuation of the xxD APS-C series (continuing the 60D body form factor step down from 50D)
• 70D is the entry level FF at $1500 (MP properly sized for proper video downsizing, but smaller MP than 5Diii)
• 7Dii remains the premier APS-C with new 22.1MP for improved video downsizing and the rumored 2.0 firmware features.
• A 5Diii variant (4D anyone or how about 5Diiix?) with FF big MP in a density/ratio that retains the 5Diii video downsizing benefits.

I would have to agree but I am not sure I see the XXD becoming FF. Reason? It's the same reason why the XD line will not become FF, too many XXD owners and XD owners have EF-s lenses. An upgrade HAS to be justified by the buyer and if the upgrade cannot use ones current hardware, what's the point of upgrading?

Example, the 5D line has ALWAYS been FF, just as the Rebel line has ALWAYS been APS-C and so on and so on. Canon intergrated two high performance lines (1Ds and 1D) for the better, BUT APS-H bodies CANNOT use EF-s lenses SO, it makes sense to upgrade to the newer body.

I forsee the XXD and XD line becoming the new flagship APS-C camera (into the 7DII) and a new 5 series (or 3D) FF entry level. Canon will likely stay within current camera labels or create new ones (I.E. 3D or 6D) Simple marketing is my reasoning, they will likely keep the current tried and proven trends going.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 16, 2012, 06:46:42 PM »

Ill Take APS-H over APS-C any day. I really hope the 7D is 10FPS and APS-H.

Yes I agree but to "upgrade" from a 7D to a "7DII" the upgrade would have to justify the cost. As suggested, too many 7D owners (myself included) own EF-s lenses. The EF-s (as of yet) is not compatible with an EF APS-H body. I don't see Canon making such a decision.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 16, 2012, 06:44:00 PM »

I seriously doubt Canon would just drop the XXD line.

Why not? They "just" "downgraded" it to a plastic body and lower FPS to not directly compete with the 7D. 

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That's true, they did just that, but the XXD name is useful in itself from a marketing perspective because it allows a model to be placed somewhat below the greatness of xD bodies and somewhat above the xxxD consumer line. This is what leads me believe that the xxD line will survive, and it's also why I think a "budget" FF could fit the name well. I do admit the idea is somewhat unlikely but who knows?

True, but from a marketing standpoint the 70D and 7DII would continue the APS-C sensor trend. We are talking about some high MP, high performance cameras from both. Canon cannot keep every future camera at 18MP. If true, I cannot wait to see what Canon comes up with.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 16, 2012, 05:55:40 PM »

I seriously doubt Canon would just drop the XXD line.

Why not? They "just" "downgraded" it to a plastic body and lower FPS to not directly compete with the 7D. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 16, 2012, 05:48:37 PM »

I still believe the XXD line will be dropped and the 7DII will take it's place.

I seriously doubt Canon would just drop the XXD line. I agree that a 7D MK II (if the 7D/60D product lines are in fact merged) could successfully become the spiritual successor to both the 7D and 60D in many regards, but dropping the actual XXD moniker? No. In my mind, it could make sense for the rumored entry-level FF camera to use the XXD badge, which would further help distance it from the more advanced features of the 5D III / 7D II. Then again, if it does end up being more expensive than the 7D II, the 6D name might be a better fit.

OK, I could see keeping the XXD line IF the line went FF (which is very unlikely). BUT, not if the 70D and 7DII were APS-C sensors.

I forsee the XXD line being dropped in favor of a flagship 7DII and I forsee an entry level FF (3D or 6D, maybe) to replace the 5DII.

Besides the 70D and 7DII would more than likely be APS-C sensors. Given the features of the T4i where would you place the specs of the two? Any ideas anyone? My opinion? IF they released the 70D and 7DII the 7DII would have to be placed in the APS-C 32MP+, 8-10 fps range (with 1DX/5DII features). It's possible, but who knows really. The 70D would have to be placed in the 24MP+ 6-8 fps range to be better than the T4i.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 16, 2012, 04:16:02 PM »

If 10 years ago Canon had the machinery it does today then APS-H would never have existed.

And how do you come to this conclusion? Canon simply made DSLR sensors to co-exist with some of the existing SLR film standards, 35mm, APS-H and APS-C. Film users would more easily adapt to sensor sizes tailored to what they were already used too.

Each sensor offers pros and cons over the other. Nothing wrong with any of them, just depends on what you need/want in a camera.

I own both the 5DII and 7D. Am I unhappy with one of them? NO! Each camera offers something the other cannot and I for one am glad I have both to choose from, depending on my shooting needs. If I had a 1D mark (whatever) with an APS-H sensor, I would use it too!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 16, 2012, 03:26:27 PM »

The above seems the most logical to me...

...of course, we could see an APS-H surprise as well, which would be a fascinating show to watch on this board if it ever happend!

Thanks.

And I agree, no one here knows exactly what Canon will do.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 16, 2012, 03:23:59 PM »

Some here are concluding that APS-H is dead. When did Canon make such an announcement? Didn't they just produce a prototype APS-H 120MP sensor about a year or so ago?

http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/08/canons-120mp-aps-h-sensor/

Why would they do so if the APS-H sensor was eventually going to be eliminated? Hmmmm....

There is nothing wrong with the APS-H sensor. It allows some crop (additional reach) and can allow for "cleaner" images over the APS-C sensor and it's cheaper to produce than a FF sensor.

However, that being said, I cannot imagine the 7DII being FF or APS-H, unless it came compatable with EF-s lenses but hardware limitations won't allow for that, yet. Too many 7D owners have EF-s lenses that would NOT be compatable with a 7DII if it was produced with a FF or APS-H sensor. That would be a poor marketing decision for Canon, in MO.

I still believe the XXD line will be dropped and the 7DII will take it's place.

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EOS Bodies / Re: should i wait for 70D? when will it be here by?

« on: June 16, 2012, 12:51:56 AM »

Forget the 70D. The new 70D will be the 7DII.

The T4i is the 60D in a smaller body at $150 cheaper. The 70D will have to be the 7D in terms of performace. Where does that leave the 7D? Not full frame that's for sure.

My guess is that they will merge the two lines into the 7DII.

But then again, the 7D is one hell of a camera that you can buy now and blows the 60D out of the water. (in MHO)

Why wait?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 16, 2012, 12:36:58 AM »

I also expect in most other respects it will be an APS-C version of the 5DIII.

I would have to agree.

The 7DII would most likely be

Dual Digic 5

22+ MP APS-C sensor (or perhaps even higher MP) This could be the high MP APS-C Canon Camera.

8-10 fps.

The XXD line will be dropped (in MO). It has to be dropped based on the features found on the new T4i. Canon won't drop the flagship line 7D in favor of a "new" flagship 70D. The 60D "sucked" in terms of performace (based on previous XXD cameras) and the T4i is almost as good (almost) at $150.00 cheaper.

They HAD to "strip" some of the XXD features to encourage sales of the 7D. The 50D was too close to the 7D in terms of basic features so the downgrade of the XXD line was unavoidable.

I had always assumed that the XD line (7D) was going to be a replacement of the XXD line anyway. It IS the flagship APS-C camera and will continue the trend. No WAY the 70D will replace that.

Sorry guys, just my opinion and will stay such.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Odds & Ends: 70D, 7D2, New Full Frame, D600 & Photoshop CS6

« on: June 16, 2012, 12:27:41 AM »

Honestly, the odds of BOTH the 7DII and a 70D being released are hard to swallow. I would see one or the other, but given the "failures" of the 60D to continue the legacy of the XXD series, I forsee the XXD line being dropped for a new flagship APS-C 7D mark II.

They won't upgrade the 7DII to full frame or APS-H (unless it supports EF-s lenses) and it doesn't make much sence to release TWO high performace APS-C cameras (which is where the 70D and 7DII would have to be placed) after the T4i.

The merging of the 70D and 7DII is logical. My guess with the sucess of the 7D, they will call the "new" camera the 7DII and NOT the 70D.

Just my 2 cents.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Film is still hard to beat

« on: June 13, 2012, 01:31:22 AM »

I would have to say that film vs. digital is that digital has given the masses the chance to really learn photography and I think that really chaps "filmies"

I mean, when I was growing up, I wanted a Canon AE-1P so bad, but the cost of cameras and lenses were out of my leauge, not to mention that one-hour photo shops were almost unheard of. The learning curve was massive. You did not know if you got a good shot (if you shot manual) until you developed your film.

Now comes digital. You can see the image as soon as you take it and can instanly make changes and now anyone can learn how to take a photo (outside of using "auto") and have it be affordable. One example being is if I need to switch my speed of film, I simply change my camera's settings (ISO) and not have to switch out a entire roll of film. Not to mention, on a 16GB card I can store 800 photos!!! Come on... I mean really. Your average person carried only a few rolls and they contained what? 24? 36? shots per roll?  (Let's see... math... 800 divided by 24 {average shots per roll} is 33 rolls!!!) Oh, and I can swap memory cards in like 5 seconds if by chance I run out of room shooting in a morning and they can STILL fit in my front pocket.

With digital, a journalist can take a photo half-way across the world and sent it back to his/her editor in minutes, if not seconds. Do THAT with film.

If you choose to shoot film then so be it, but in MO film is going the way of the 8-track, super 8, beta tape, records, lazer disks... It is simply being replaced by a superior tecnology. Before long, any leftover superiority of 35mm film over digital will be long gone.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS 7D Firmware Version 2 Coming Soon

« on: June 09, 2012, 12:22:35 PM »

These sound very useful. I haven't done a firmware upgrade before. Are they difficult?

No. A firmware update is very simple. Go to Canon's website and download the new firmware to your computer, unzip the file and then copy the unzipped firmware patch to your SD/CF card and load it into your camera. The Canon website will give you detailed instructions on how to do this.

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