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The rules of sensor size and resolving power are different between digital and film! FF digital like the D800e can out resolve 645 film,and on landscape magazine ran a great test that compares formats,the IQ180 can easily match 5x4 film

If you just rely on Resolution or resolving power you're maybe right. Just maybe, because a APS-C FoveOn outperforms a D800E eighter. But Medium Format has more advantages, as higher Pixelpitch (better colors, less noise), and technical advantages in Depth of Field or mostly central shutter (not MF related, but more in common).

But I must admit, they should finally build a *real* 645 Sensor, not a fake one like to Leica S2. Back in old days even the 645 Format was called MF-Crop, like today APS-C is a Fullformat-Crop  ::)

I myself think that the old 50mm formula isn't as much beloved as back in the 90's. Back then, the 50mm lense was the "normal" view of nearly every SLR-Cam. While the digital cameras went up, the full frame was very expensive and until the 5D or the D700 (Nikon) came out... so most of the people went to APS-C.

Today APS-C seems so be the largest market for camera-makers. So, if you do a brilliant 35mm 1.4 you can sell it to both cameraowners. Giving the usual 50mm look for the APS-C and a (small) wide angle for the FF-Users.

So, in the last years there came up a lot of fantastic 35mm lenses but not tooo much new 50mm lenses, at least not from Canon. Nikon updated just recently, but more pushed because of Sigma or Samyang I think.

In my very humble opinion the 50mm range isn't too desired anymore. For cropping, the 35mm has more reserve (and more DOF) and for potraits you normally choose the more flatten look of a 85mm. So I think the 50mm from Sigma is a result of a good sold 35mm ART. And if the Sigma beats the Canon 50mm f1.4, canon will release a new 50mm f1.8 IS... which is already designed, I think. They will just release it under pressure to save the old one (for the moment) until it hurts  8)

>I don't read mtf charts very well, but those don't seem impressive.

I fully agree and 12,5mm MTF-Charts don't show an actual FullFrame Circle. Actually if I draw the lines further, the edges will be really poor. But let's wait for it...

<ironic>I think everyone can beat the OTUS or Sigma lenses with a Canon Lense, even the 50mm f1.8. Just patch your lense, today. It's soooooo easy</ironic>  ;)

EOS Bodies / Re: UPDATE: EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: March 02, 2014, 05:54:35 PM »
Not necessarily, once you've dumped the mirror, there's a lot of room inside a legacy mount body where you could put lens elements. I suspect that this is what Canon and Nikon are thinking; why throw away your biggest advantage over your competitors by changing your lens mount? Sony has nothing to lose, the Alpha mount was a distant third place also-ran.

This already exists, it's called EF-S, and the cameras are as big as a fullframe 6D f.e..

EOS Bodies / Re: UPDATE: EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: March 02, 2014, 02:04:54 PM »
At the moment there seems to be no big market for mirrorless cams like in asia. Don't forget you're all some kind of interested people, which read news or are envolved in the materia. Normal people go into the shop and buy what they know... or what they think it's ok. Nikon or Canon. And you can't get anything more valueable than a Nikon D3100 for example. For this price no mirrorless can even try to beat the small DSLR.

I suggest to read the Interview with the Olympus Product Strategy Manager:


I spoke to Fujifilm recently, and I was told by a senior marketing executive that if Canon and Nikon made serious mirrorless cameras, this would help the format to gain traction. Do you agree?

Well that’s his view! We’ll keep on communicating the benefits of mirrorless but Canon and Nikon dominate the interchangeable lens camera market and if they did come out with serious, reliable mirrorless cameras, I agree that yes - it might stimulate the market and boost sales of our cameras. Maybe it’s intentional that they haven’t launched enthusiast-focused mirrorless cameras, because they’re dominant. They’ve been maturing their systems for years. Maybe it’s strategic that they’re staying away.

The only plus for mirrorless cams is the size, but with the existing Nikon- or Canonbayonett the advantage is gone. And new systems? Why? But I agree, if the ships turns and the mirrorless systems are getting better and better, the big two could fall down very deep.

EOS Bodies / Re: UPDATE: EOS M2 Not Coming to North America
« on: March 02, 2014, 12:41:01 PM »
- small size with native lenses, for when we want to "go small" and
-"regular size" with "regular lenses" when small size is not needed

And then you have a small, unusable, brick with a long lense on it. Feels like a Rebel with 400L 2.8... what do you all want with a small and light camera? Of course I understand that size matters on daily street photography, but I *dont want* to have anything smaller than a 5D while working with serious aims. A Cam is a tool, not a toy or gimmick.

I even don't like an EVF, no just because of the flatten 2D Image, but for the lack of shoots with one Akku. Maybe Canon will invent a hybrid solution (electronic informations on demand inside an optical VF), then I'm back on the horse. But please go away with those touchscreens or liveview-shooters.

The mirrorless is a hype, which everyone seems to push at the moment. Just stop a second and make up your *own* thoughts. There never went any mirror broken, the shutter is the mechanical part which dies and all those new cameras still  have it. The mirrors are getting more quiet than ever and a real AF-Array is *AGES* better than the lousy onchip-resolutions. Using the sensor all the time will make the chip getting warmer and more prone to noise.

EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: Canon EF 24-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS
« on: February 10, 2014, 05:05:50 AM »
I really liked the idea of a new 24-85. But it will depend on the price, IQ and the size/weight.

The 24-105L is too big and heavy in my eyes and the 28-135 is not wide enough (and big, too). My old 24-85 is a nice small and capable lense and a *real* alltime-workhorse. Of course it's not fast or even weathersealed, but it's sharp from f5.6 on to at least f11 and the USM is fast and nearly silent. I shortly thought of replacing it with the 24-70L4, but the L was too big anyway.

It's one of the few lenses I would never get rid of. I just wonder why the new one will be 3.5-5.6 as the old one is 3.5-4.5. But that's most likely because of the longer IS-calculation.

Example:    24-85@f6.3   (straight out of a 5D)    http://tf.weimarnetz.de/downloads/24_85.jpg

EOS Bodies / Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« on: January 26, 2014, 09:13:42 AM »
Except for the fact that the price of the old 24-70 2.8L went up when the new version was announced!!!

Where do all those rumours come from? This is not true, the truth is that you now can get the new 24-70 L 2.8 II for the same price as the old one was at that time. So you get a far better lense for the same price...

I admit the 2600$ Bucks were high at the beginning, but the price went down after a few months:

The graph shows 1000days back, datasource: http://geizhals.at/de/?phist=734241&age=1000.

P.S. It could be that the pricing was different from europe/germany, but I doubt that.

EOS Bodies / Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2 IS
« on: January 25, 2014, 06:44:01 AM »
New technologies - are what makes the production cheaper and allows to produce better products FOR THE SAME MONEY.

This is just true if you build an *old* product with *new* technologies. But the 24-70II is a new calculated lens, with 2 more glasses and other specs. You have to pay for the development, for the ingeneers and for the new expensive ULD elements et cetera. The price rises fast if you come to the limit, see @OTUS/Zeiss.

My point was that the old product can be bought for a lower price, too, after the new one came to the market. So, *if* you want the latest you have to pay for it. If not, everyone can get along with the old one. An old one, matured for years and known for the best press photos shoot everyday. Better than most of us, maybe.

EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II on Cameraegg
« on: January 23, 2014, 05:58:56 PM »
<jehova>There is no need for any videomode in a DSLR, grab a Cam instead</jehova> or with other words <unix>one job, one tool</unix>.    ::)

EOS Bodies / Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2.8 IS
« on: January 23, 2014, 05:54:37 PM »
I don't particularly care about the color, but the 200 F/2.8L that no one ever talks about is black, whereas the 200 F/2L IS (and its predecessor 200 F/1.8 IS) is white.   So it seems that 200mm is the 'gray' inflection point for primes.

I dont' know if it's only the focal length. It's just a calculation of how big the lenses are and how affected to heating the whole system will be or maybe how likely the lense is used in the sun (for some hours). But the turning point may be around those 200mm length... because no one need longer focal lenghts inside buildings ;) 

On the other side I never got problems with my black 80-200L 2.8 drainpipe. And I wouldn't like the attention of a white one.

EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark II on Cameraegg
« on: January 23, 2014, 10:30:49 AM »
The Digic 6 should be faster than a Digic 5/5+:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIGIC#DIGIC_6.

The drawback could be that magic lantern is not running anymore (not likely, but let's see).

EOS Bodies / Re: Patents: Canon 85mm f/1.8 IS, 100mm f/2 IS, 135 f/2.8 IS
« on: January 23, 2014, 10:27:06 AM »
I usually find the white ones too conspicuous. Especially for the short focal range it would be too flashy in my eyes...

So, I would like to see another black one. Plastic or not is not important, but weathersealing would be.

EOS Bodies / Re: Will Canon Answer the D4s? [CR2]
« on: January 23, 2014, 05:31:15 AM »
Yepp. I think the Nikon D4s is no catch for the 1Dx, it's just closing the gap. It's just newer, so what? The D3s beats the "newer" D4 in a lot of situations...

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