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Software & Accessories / Re: Windows 7 install
« on: October 17, 2014, 07:19:39 PM »
Thanks a lot everyone.  That is really a lot of great information and some great tips.  It will come in handy at build time.

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Software & Accessories / Windows 7 install
« on: October 17, 2014, 02:14:12 PM »
Can anyone give me an idea how long it will take to do a 'clean' install of Windows 7 ???  It will be installed on a new machine with an Intel i7 4790 4GHz processor and 16GB of DDR3 RAM.

Also, are there any potential pitfalls to be on the lookout for ???

Thanks.

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The newer version of DPP does not support my operating system.  I run Vista 64.  Updating my operating

So it's ok upgrading the camera even if you already have two very good ones - but not upgrading a an old OS (released in 2007), the only one unanimously regarded worse than Windows 8?

From a developer perspective, there are many new features which became available only from 7 onwards (i.e. better support for high DPI displays, color management). while Vista market share is only around 3%, making the effort to support it not so appealing.

If your software runs on Vista 64, it will run on 8 and 7 as well (you can downgrade your OS but with some OEM licenses). LR is still available as a standalone product outside CC. Scroll to the end of the page, and you'll find a link to buy LIghtroom 5 standalone. It won't run on Vista too, anyway.

Today the digital workflow is not the camera only - software plays its role as well. Complaining because we can't use the latest camera on outdated OS looks a bit unfair to me. I understand we all prefer to spend money on the toys we like most and not on something we may regard as "not so imporant", but sometimes we need to accept realilty.

I understand what you are saying.  If you look back a few comments, you'll see I have decided to build a new computer.  This thread has been very enlightening.  The new computer is at the top of my list now.  :)

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We're going to build one.   :D  I have a friend who is a bit of a geek and has been through it.  He's offered to help spec out the components and get stuff together.  In the weeks ahead, I hope to have it all together.

Thanks for all the input.

Cool. It's easy to get caught up in the "upgrade" mode and spend more money...

Lots of info over on Seven Forums- check it out.

A fast processor and SSD can get to the Windows splash screen faster than you can get into BIOS if there are issues with your build (even if you enable the features that are there to slow things down enough to get to BIOS). That said:

(1) Consider a motherboard with a legacy PS/2 port

(2) There may be a specific USB port that gets power first, read the MOBO manual

The i7 processor and an SSD is at the top of the list, along with Windows 7.

What is the purpose of a PS/2 port?

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We're going to build one.   :D  I have a friend who is a bit of a geek and has been through it.  He's offered to help spec out the components and get stuff together.  In the weeks ahead, I hope to have it all together.

Thanks for all the input.

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Lenses / Re: Selling my Canon 70-200 f2.8 IS II
« on: October 16, 2014, 08:47:15 PM »
If I was to sell my 70-200 f/2.8 IS II, I think I would have to give up photography.   ;D

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Street & City / Re: Famous icons in your city
« on: October 16, 2014, 04:11:31 PM »
Victoria Hall in Cobourg, Ontario, Canada




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I'll just go for their maximum available build.  i7 processor, 16mb memory, etc.. 

Ya might wanna go for a little more than 16MB Ram.   ;D

Right...  'GB' just might serve me better.  Guess I had a brain f@rt.    :D

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Wow!  Obviously there are many of you out there with a ton of knowledge about operating systems.  I fell way behind the curve over the years.

In reading everything that has been posted on this thread, I have come to the conclusion that the first thing I need to do is address my computer needs soon.  Probably should be doing something about it now.

I am not about to take on a computer build myself due to lack of knowledge and will buy a pre-built, likely from Dell or HP.  It appears I can purchase a pretty high capacity machine for the price of a small lens.  The best processor with lots of memory.  I'll just go for their maximum available build.  i7 processor, 16mb memory, etc..  The remaining question for me is which operating system.  Dell still offers Win7 along with Win8.

I have heard many advise against Win8.  What is the problem people have with it?  Which should I be going with?

You guys are the experts.  I can use your help with this.

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Trying to stay on the oldest OS can be a losing proposition from my perspective (35 years industry experience in HW and SW R&D).  You will continue having to upgrade as MS and application providers like Canon cease to support the oldest versions of Windows.  With Windows 10 on the horizon, MS will likely drop support for Windows Vista when it releases - I believe their policy is support for only the last 2 versions (7 & 8).  Canon will follow suit and you will need to upgrade again if you want any updates.  You may also find performance suffers if your hardware is old, the file sizes increase with larger sensors, and new features are added to DPP.  I'd also be concerned about reliability problems looming with old hardware.  Upgrading the OS can exacerbate problems.

Best bet is to leap forward with new hardware and software that will give you several years of service as your original investment did, rather than keep delaying and moving forward incrementally.  You can start with your new photo software and incrementally move other things from your old configuration as time and resources permit.  I assume you already have your images on a separate hard drive (internal or external) so the move should be easy.  If not, that's the first step I'd take and make sure I have a complete backup (or two) - transitions like this are a good time to make an archive.  Then pick the software you want to use in the future and build a new system around that.

This is starting to sound like good advice regardless of whether or not I buy another body.  Thanks for the input.

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I have been a Canon user my entire life.  I love the product, including DPP which is my RAW converter of choice.

I presently shoot with a 1D Mark IV and a 5D Mark III, which are fully supported by my present version of DPP.  The 7D Mark II requires that I update my DPP.

Here is my problem with that.....

The newer version of DPP does not support my operating system.  I run Vista 64.  Updating my operating system requires that I go to Windows 8 which needs a clean install.  Huge job.  Also, I'm not sure that a lot of my current software will run on Windows 8.  I have CS4 as well as plugins such as NIK, Neat Image and a slew of other free standing applications.

As much as I was not comfortable with the user interface of Lightroom when I tried a demo last year, I thought I would now have to go that route.  Guess what?  Right.  It's now only available under CC and I refuse to rent software on a monthly fee basis which is why I still run CS4.

I'm 72 years old so I guess my 1D4 and 5D3 will have to do me the rest of my life or until my computer cr@ps out and I have no choice.

All Canon had to do was continue to support the operating system and I would have added a 7D2 to my bag.

Okay..... rant over.   :D

Quit your ranting and do your homework. LR is available as a perpetual license from any number of sources, even in Canada. Adobe themselves even still sell it!

https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/software._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_mostpopular.html?promoid=KLXMV

Thanks.  I did my homework but obviously not as well as you.  I searched the Adobe site but never found this link.  All I came up with when I searched was the rental option.  Appreciate your efforts.

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No offense, but it sounds like you are setting up impediments... creative cloud, local vendors, antiquated operating systems...

We don't always get exactly what we want, but we find a way to make it work.

Nah, all that stuff is legitimate complaints.  Most people find it difficult to update an operating system and there's always a cascading set of problems that follow with programs not working, lost settings, reinstalling everything, its a PITA.  There's also nothing wrong with wanting to support local people who spend, hire, and pay taxes in the local community nor is there anything wrong with being annoyed that Adobe has moved to rental scheme.  IMO, it really doesn't seem worth it to upgrade to a new camera that might be, at best, a marginal improvement in a couple of specs over his current bodies if the setup he has works for what he does.  And I'm saying this as someone who built the computer I'm typing this on, regularly reinstalls the OS, buys stuff online and is interested in the 7DII (depending on how it performs v 1DIV).

Thank you.  Appreciate your comments.

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No offense, but it sounds like you are setting up impediments... creative cloud, local vendors, antiquated operating systems...

We don't always get exactly what we want, but we find a way to make it work.

No offence, but.....  I already have Vista which has been working just fine and I have no desire to incur additional cost if not necessary.  I am not the only one who disagrees with renting software via Creative Cloud.  Many others feel as I do.

Also, I live in Canada and find cross-border shopping to be a pain in the butt.  What's wrong with being loyal to my dealer of many years who has treated me well and provides me with great service?

If I can't find a reasonable solution, so be it.  It's not like I must buy the 7D2.  My current bodies work just fine.  The 7D2 would just have been another toy to play with.

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Hmmmmm.... lots of grist for the mill here.  Thanks for all the input, folks.  I was not aware that Windows 7 was still available.

Neuro, that's one path, but I prefer to keep my business with local vendors.


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