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I was thinking yesterday about how small APS Elph cameras were back in the 1990's (with APS-H sized 'sensors') and put a table together to see just what kind of cameras they were able to cram into these small packages (most importantly physical dimensions, weight, and lens - FL, zoom, and aperture).  Here's what I put together, information obtained from Canon Museum website:

ModelLensSizeWeight   Released
ELPH24-48mm f/4.5-6.290 x 60 x 27 mm190 gMay 1996
ELPH 490Z22.5-90mm f/5.6-8.9   120 x 65 x 47 mm   290 gJune 1996
ELPH 10 [AF]                               25mm f/6.7110 x 63 x 43 mm180 gNovember 1996
ELPH 260Z30-60mm f/4-7.8113 x 59 x 38 mm175 gJuly 1997
ELPH Jr26mm f/2.890 x 60 x 24 mm125 gSeptember 1997
ELPH 370Z23-69mm f/4.5-9.995 x 65 x 32 mm205 gMarch 1998
ELPH LT23mm f/4.885 x 55 x 35 mm115 gSeptember 1998
ELPH 224-46mm f/4.2-5.687 x 57 x 25 mm181 gMarch 1999
ELPH LT26026-52mm f/4.2-6.793 x 63 x 30 mm150 gMarch 2000
ELPH LT27024-65mm f/4.5-895 x 64 x 35 mm180 gFebruary 2001
ELPH Z323.5-54mm f/4.8-7.698 x 50 x 33 mm150 gMarch 2002

Compare that to a few modern digital cameras:

ModelLensSizeWeight   Lens Equ.   
G1X (3/2"sensor)   15-30mm f/2.8-5.8   117 x 81 x 65 mm   534 g   28-112mm   
S100 (1/1.7" sensor)   5.2-26mm f/2.0-5.9   99 x 60 x 28 mm   198 g   24-120mm   
ELPH 320HS (1/2.3" sensor)   4.3-21.5mm f/2.7-5.9   94 x 57 x 21 mm   145 g   24-120mm   
ELPH 530HS (1/2.3" sensor)   4-48mm f/3.4-5.6   86 x 54 x 20 mm   163 g   28-336mm   

Back in the APS film days that absolute best zoom was a 4x (490Z - 29-117mm equivalent with a very slow f/5.6-8.9 aperture).  Nowadays we have smaller, lighter cameras with 12x zooms (see 530HS).  In comparison the G1X looks huge, despite having a smaller 'sensor' than all the film cameras.  Small, light cameras can be made with larger sensors, but at the cost of zoom range and maximum aperture.  I highly doubt most amateurs would want to give up zoom range for a larger sensor (most of whom would not understand what the larger sensor or aperture would mean in terms of DOF, IQ or high ISO noise).  I would like to see what Canon could do with a camera somewhere in between a G1X and the S100 in terms of sensor size, overall dimensions, and weight.

Slightly off topic post, but I figured it was kind of related to the subject.

This weekend I actually did an inventory and added up the total, depreciated, used value of all my equipment, and came up with $1850.  Quite amazing, considering I have only paid out-of-pocket about $650 for all of it.  Seeing the total value of my kit makes me think insuring it would be a good idea.

I would probably get a 40D or 5D Mark I and other used items and start building up a similar kit to what I have now (except update to a 70-200 f4L or f4L IS).  A Nikon D600 (or the Canon equivalent surely to follow shortly thereafter) would be very tempting.

Canon General / Re: Official Discontinued List
« on: May 23, 2012, 02:17:43 PM »
Of the 14 lenses Canon released in the first year of EOS (1987, the 28mm f2.8 was one of them), only 3 are still being made.  All the lenses released in 1988 (8 totel, 24mm f/2.8 was one of them) have been discontinued.  Here's a list of the oldest lenses Canon still makes (all designs from 20+ years ago):

15mm f/2.8 Fisheye (1987)
50mm f/2.5 Macro (1987)
135mm f/2.8 Soft Focus (1987)
35mm f/2.0 (1990)
50mm f/1.8 II (1990)
TS-E 45mm f/2.8 (1991)
TS-E 90mm f/2.8 (1991)
100mm f/2.0 USM (1991)
20mm f/2.8 USM (1992)
85mm f/1.8 USM (1992)

I will preface my posting by saying I have never filmed any cooking.

Just some random thoughts:
- Use sealed L lenses (will help prevent ingress of steam, which could lead to fungus and other damage)
- Get an EF 100mm L Macro IS or EF 180mm Macro (for their long MFDs for closeup shots and awesome H-IS system - in the case of the 100mm)
- Always use UV filters
- Get LensCoats for any lenses you use, to help keep the body of the lens clean (and provide one more barrier)

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L Officially Discontinued?
« on: May 15, 2012, 04:35:59 PM »
I guess that's one way to force you to buy the more expensive of the 2 lenses...  but it was inevitable.
Isn't this exactly what happened when Canon transitioned from 70-200 IS I to 70-200 IS II for $500 more?  A short period of time where both were available, then suddenly v. I went out of stock, never to return.

Lenses / Re: What's the best deal you've ever gotten on a lens?
« on: May 11, 2012, 01:22:29 PM »
Just took delivery of a 50mm f/1.8 I from eBay listed as 'untested' for $59 shipped.  To my surprize, the lens is in like-new condition without a single imperfection on the body or lenses (amazing, considering this lens hasn't been in production since 1990) and is functionally perfect.  I'll sell my 50mm II on CL for $80, and actually profit from the upgrade.

Technical Support / Re: Orange cone ruins photo
« on: May 07, 2012, 06:56:46 PM »
...many of my pictures were affected by the hi-vis green shirts that they gave to all the participants.  The shirts also REALLY threw off the metering...

Yikes, that's almost as bad as the top LCD light leak.  :o

This was not a complaint, neuro, only a statement of fact.  I love my camera and don't fault it.  No reason to be judgemental and sarcastic.

As for mdm041's suggestion, I tried that exact method this year, but the lighting changes by the minute since marathons start near dawn and go til mid-day (and it was partly cloudy, so the sun kept coming and going).  Many shots were better this year than last, which I am happy about, but I do not blame my camera for my own inexperience with sports photography and skills that fall short of its ability.

Technical Support / Re: Orange cone ruins photo
« on: April 30, 2012, 03:14:55 PM »
I photographed a few friends in the St Louis Marathon last year, and many of my pictures were affected by the hi-vis green shirts that they gave to all the participants.  The shirts also REALLY threw off the metering, resulting in quite a few under exposed photos (I was using Av then).

EDIT: This isn't the worst example, but I wanted to protect the innocent, so I used a picture without faces.

...I'm sure Canon has had a high MP sensor in development for quite some time now...

Like the 120MP APS-H sensor (August 2010)?

I'm sure Canon could do anything up to their most-dense 1/2.3" in a full-frame camera, but it'll all depend on what consumers (in the general sense of the word) demand, or what Canon can convince buyers they desire (and of course how much said device will cost to produce).

Got a couple more yesterday I'd like to add:

EF 35mm f/2 - $177 shipped (accidentally listed on eBay as FD mount)
EF 12 Extension Tube & Canon EF 1.4x TC - $85 shipped (seller thought it was just a EF 12 tube)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: switching bodies
« on: April 24, 2012, 11:06:27 AM »
The flange distance is shorter on Canon than Nikon (44mm and 46.5mm, respectively).  So even if you could mount a Canon lens on a Nikon body at the flange, it would be like you have also inserted a 2.5mm extension tube as well, making infinity focus impossible. 

Now mounting a Nikon lens on a Canon camera is easy, if the flange-to-flange distance of the adapter is 2.5mm then the lens will be able to focus throughout the entire range for which it was designed.

Lenses / Re: Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 VC Available for Preorder
« on: April 20, 2012, 12:01:03 PM »
No no no.

Canons zoom in the wrong direction.  Nikons and Tamrons zoom correctly.

And yes you British and Aussies and Japanese drive on the wrong side of the road  ;)

I'm going to thread-jack for a moment to share what my curiosity caused me to find:

I knew many of the first zoom lenses were of the push-pull variety, so I went searching for early twist-zoom lenses.  It lead me to find that the manual focus lenses by Nikon were originally the same direction as Canon, such as:

1967 Nikkor 50-300mm

It looks like they stayed consistent with that directionality throughout the manual focus era.  Then in 1986, with their first twist zoom AF lenses, the Nikkor 35-105mm, 28-85mm and 35-70mm, they decided to change direction:

So, Canon is the correct direction, and Nikon decided to screw it up in the 1980s, after decades manufacturing lenses the right way.  :P

I became an unexpected wedding photographer this past weekend.  A very close friend of my wife's got married and did not have a photographer (it was a simple reception, as they had the ceremony a couple weeks earlier abroad) and asked if I could take pictures of the family and during the event (I had my 30D and all my gear with me, luckily).  I do not envy wedding photographers, it was certainly not something I'm accustomed to, or talented at.  I think I did a decent job, though.  Hopefully they are happy with the results.

Lenses / Re: What is the most EXOTIC Canon lens?
« on: April 11, 2012, 02:17:37 PM »
I would say, in order:

1200mm f/5.6L 1.4x FD (extinct)
1200mm f/5.6L
65mm MP-E
17mm f/4L TS-E
8-15mm f/4L fisheye
50mm f/1L
150-600mm f/5.6L nFD
38-76mm f/4.5-5.6 (rare, but not desirable)
35-80mm f/4-5.6 PZ (rare, power zoom)

Third party EF mount:

200-500mm f/2.8 Sigma

The Canon 8-15 F4L is pretty unique.  If I'm not mistaken, I don't think there has ever been another fisheye zoom lens on the market.

Tokina has the 10-17mm fisheye for crop cameras.
Which is the same as the Pentax 10-17mm

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: best autofocusing bodies and lenses
« on: April 09, 2012, 12:16:28 PM »
In terms of 'overall' AF performance, I'd stack rank the recent bodies as follows:  1D X > 5DIII > 1DIV > 1DsIII > 7D > 60/50/40D > 5DII > xxxD.

I'm surprized that the 60/50/40D > 5DII.  I always thought the 20D through 60D had identical AF systems.

I'd approximately rank them as 300/2.8 IS II = 400/2.8 IS II > 300/2.8 IS = 400/2.8 IS > 500/4 > 400/4 DO > 300/4 IS = 300/4 non-IS.

But wouldn't 400mm f/2.8 IS II >> 300mm f/2.8 IS II+1.4x TC?  That's more of an apples-to-apples comparison and similar to framing the OP is talking about.

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