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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: 5DM3 for video?
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:16:20 PM »
^Thank you for correcting my math.

The comparison to Blu-ray is a bit deceiving though. Because Blu-ray is a finalized product in compressed form. You need more information to do post production work. But either way, 90Mbs looks good. I just hope they don't nerf it when they realize that it outclasses the C300 in this one aspect.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: 5DM3 for video?
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:29:37 AM »
it does look like it beats the c300 in bitrate though. The way I interepret the specs is 10.1 MBs (80Mbs), so that looks like 30fps @4:2:2. Anyone else agree?

EOS Bodies / Re: Introducing the Canon 5D Mark III
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:19:03 AM »
What's the max bit-rate on the video?

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Full Spec List?
« on: March 01, 2012, 11:55:25 AM »
All I can say is, thank God they moved the on/off switch.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III Full Spec List?
« on: March 01, 2012, 11:48:58 AM »
With the new processor we should be able to get a better chroma sample: 4:2:2. It should be able to handle somewhere between 80-100 Mbps, which would be very nice.   

Also, my guess is that they have applied the tweaks that limit the well known image artifact issues of the mkII.

If they can do this, I'll be happy.

My wife is the real Photog, so if I get her the new 5d mkIII, then i get her old mkII. 

EOS Bodies / Re: NO 5dM3 On Friday * CONFIRMED By a canon Rep Today
« on: February 29, 2012, 12:18:14 PM »
I don't think they'd be building that massive stage in Shanghai just to announce B-list product.  We're gonna see 5D something.

EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« on: February 28, 2012, 07:05:35 PM »
I'm all for supporting meaningless causes.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Building kit around 5D Mark II...
« on: February 28, 2012, 02:56:08 PM »
They are definitely not sharper, but they are significantly less expensive.

I don't know about that, I used the 50 1.4 and didn't see much of a difference between it and my 50L.  The 50mm f/2 Makro is definitely sharper than my 50L.

I will concede this point.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Building kit around 5D Mark II...
« on: February 28, 2012, 02:03:21 PM »
@ frank.  Thanks for the info.  I'm curious, why do people tend toward the Zeiss lenses, primes specifically, when shooting video?  Does this do with the manual focus?  Are they significantly better than L primes?

i think zeiss give better color, sharper corner... n smoother focus?

They are definitely not sharper, but they are significantly less expensive.

Zeis 50mm f/1.4 goes for about  $750
Canon 50mm f/1.2 L goes for about  $1400

Check out the review site I posted above.  It's detailed in the breakdown.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Building kit around 5D Mark II...
« on: February 28, 2012, 12:40:14 PM »
that 24-105 is a good all around lens. You might want to think about some longer lenses(200mm L), if you are dead set on going with the kit lens.

Otherwise I might forget about the kit lens and go with the primes.  Canon 35mmLI,  50mm LII, and 85mmLII. Although all three might break your budget, so i'd sub in a 35mm f2 for the L series since resolving power is probably more important in the closeups. 

Check this site out.


Software & Accessories / Re: Photo editing software for a new user...
« on: February 27, 2012, 06:29:00 PM »
Anyone getting started right now should use GIMP.  It's only real draw-back is bit-depth, but that should be gone in year or two.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: 8K Sensor capable of 120fps.
« on: February 24, 2012, 12:04:51 PM »
For 8k to be worth it(distinguishable from 4K) you'd need a huge screen(200in) at a relatively short distance(10ft). In which case, eye strain will cease to be a problem, but neck strain will kick in as you try and cover the entire screen.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Why the hate for video capable DSLRs?
« on: February 24, 2012, 11:59:36 AM »

If the strongly rumored specifications for the new 5D3 are an indication, we now know exactly what the actual difference is "between a video camera and a non-video camera." It's about $1000.

And it's $1000 because the video crowd are happy to pay that for a camera that will nearly equal what they'd have to pay $15K to $50K for in a dedicated video camera. Very astute on Canon's part, but also somewhat tragic as they're throwing the still photographers who made them under the bus -- where we probably now belong anyway in a world transitioning to full HD video!

uh ... no.  that's the price difference for a 61-point AF system and 6 FPS shutter.  the 5D Mark II came with video and it cost $2500.

they're not throwing anyone under the bus, they ran the numbers and predicted that the market could sustain a $3500 FF pro-AF camera.  people on these forums love to assume that pricing structure is something 'owed' to them by the companies, whether Canon or Nikon.  no such thing.  they are pricing their goods the same way that you price your goods as a photographer.  if I feel my potential client base is willing to pay $4000 for a wedding package there is no way you're going to get me to sell it for $3000.

I think you perfectly make my point on the pricing. Canon was surprised by demand for the video capability in the 5D2. They probably sat in meetings for two years saying, "Damn, if we'd know it would be this popular, we'd have priced it at $3K or more." With a 5D3, they'll now say they have addressed what the market said were the small deficiencies in the 5D2 video, do a business reset and price it at $3500 -- with certainty they'll sell as many or more to the same video crowd who paid $2500. That's simply how business works, and I wouldn't expect otherwise. But the demand that drives the pricing is coming from the video, not the stills.

And the whole discussion could be moot as that rumored $3500 price may be a kit price. Who knows!

What I will disagree with is the point that better AF and shutter are worth $1000. In a stills-only camera, they could never get away with that. Also, I'd be surprised if their unit cost for such an upgrade were over $100.

My guess is this is accurate. I think the dual flash cards means a better video codec, or maybe even 4k. It kinda seems like it's gonna be the old 5dii with better AF and video, along with the requisite faster processing and fps.

Do you think the dual CF card slots will mean a better(higher bit rate) video codec?

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