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EOS Bodies / Re: Is ARRI Canon's Biggest Obstacle in Professional Cinema?
« on: January 20, 2014, 01:32:22 PM »
The TV market is where money is made, and Canon is doing pretty well there.


But for the high end market, the c500 isn't really in the mix. 

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 18, 2014, 08:27:42 AM »

HurtinMinorKey, Don't let them drive you off! More iPhone-itis quotes (either still or video quotes are just fine), please.   & please, please, PLEASE keep quoting Ken Rockwell! (ur not Ken, using another handle, r u??) 

& I thought being stuck at home on a Friday night was going to be boring....

I aim to please/entertain/enrage. One thing i've realized over the years on this forum: nothing gets you more responses of righteous indignation than citing Ken Rockwell.  That make him a pretty powerful tool;)

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 04:51:46 PM »

I have both the T3 and 5D2, for anything other than landscapes and low-light I prefer the T3.

For size and convenience, the T3 is amazing.

When I took my first picture with the T3 in 2012 (previously using a SD780IS), I forgot to focus the image, and it looked better than anything I had seen come out of a camera to that point.

By the same token, i bet there are a lot of people would say the same thing about the iphone vs. the T3:  "For size and convenience, the (5S) is amazing."

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 04:48:25 PM »
So, you're saying that combining the small physical size of the SL1 with the price of the T3 would obviously be stupid move...and that proves just how much smarter you are compared to Canon?  Right.   ::)

And how would this not cannibalize the SL1 sales?  You might as well just cut the price if the SL1.

And so you think Canon has been killing it?


^S&P 500 vs Canon over past yr.

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 04:34:07 PM »
Well, they already did that with the 100D, so what's the next step?  Make a cheaper version that still makes the people who wouldn't pick up a P&S "because their iPhone's camera is almost as good" think that it's worth buying.  Those of us who are already in the Canon ecosystem complain about Canon releasing a cheaper 100D instead of upgrading something we want.  Canon doesn't care, because when the consumer with a smartphone looks a little higher than what they'd spend on a P&S and sees a dSLR, they'll think "it looks professional, so it must take better pictures", and they buy it.  Canon has just performed a little upsell, and gotten more money from that consumer than they would have spent on a P&S.

I think you are correct in that this is what they are thinking.  But I also think that if they try this, they will undercut the sales of the 100D, or if the quality is appreciably worse, fail to sell completely.

But maybe they don't care. Maybe they figure that if they can get more people into EF-S lenses, they should make the cheapest entry point possible.

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 03:23:48 PM »
Were we, dude?  Only video?

Yes, the person i was responding when you took my quote out of context was talking about video. Stop being lazy and read the chain of responses before you respond out of context.

Clearly you should not, dude.  If Canon does release a body that comes in under the 100D in the lineup, it will be because they are pretty damn sure there's a profitable market for it.  But I'm sure that you know Canon's customer base better far better than they do, it's not like they sell many cameras or anything like that.  ::)

Yes, canon really has their thumb on the pulse of this end of the market. Like how they cut the price of the EOS M from $800 to $350 in the span of a year.

I'm sure that was their plan all along.  :o

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 02:01:50 PM »

I rahter suspect most people currently buying an entry level dSLR already have a camera phone (and in the US, odds are it's a smartphone with a decent camera), and are buying a dSLR because the camera phone isn't meeting their needs.

Do you a lesson on the effect of sensor size on image quality?  Maybe I'll let Phil Schiller school you…

iPhone 5s has 'bigger and better' pixels that are 1.5 µm in size.  The T3 has 'biggerer and betterer' pixels that are ~3.5 times larger, in a sensor with an 18 times larger area.  Bigger sensor = better picture.

Sure, you can use a good processor and apply gobs of noise reduction.  Unfortunately, it isn't free - it comes at the expense of lost detail. 

Darn, those clues are so bloody elusive…I see you still haven't found one yet.  Keep looking...

Pay attention dude, we were talking about video.  And how you downsample/process your pixels can have a dramatic effect on IQ. The iphone is just better at that. 

I never claimed it had better low light performance in stills.

Also, the market segment you describe must be huge, of young couples with children (as you mentioned earlier) who have iphones, are tight on money,  but can afford to throw away 400$ on a marginally better imaging device.  ::)

You should apply for a job at Canon. 

The point is, there isn't a profitable niche in IQ BETWEEN the iPhone (or comparable) and 100D @~$400.  I'll further remind you that that's also where the Nikon 1 and Canon M live (in terms of price).

So either they release a product that cannibalizes the sales of the 100D because it's effectively just as good for less money, or they make it noticeably worse and it fails because that means it's no better than its price competitive alternatives(above phones or mirrorless cams). 

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 12:03:00 PM »

Is the fact that the T3 does "only" 720p while the iPhone does 1080p the reason you label the iPhone's video capabilities as "vastly superior"? If so, that's a load of rubbish. 1080p video off a cell phone is so massively compressed it's NOWHERE near as good as what you get from even an entry level DSLR. I've seen the 1080p video out of an iPhone. It's good, but it's blown away from the 720p and 1080p I get from my DSLRs (and even P&Ss). And that's in good light. Drop the light and any smartphone's video will be a mess of compression artefacts and digital noise from having such a small sensor.

The iphone has a much more capable processor inside of it,  which is why it does higher frame rates than the 100D, let alone t3.  Apple also doesn't to worry about nerfing the IQ in order to maintain product differentiation. 


To sum up, iPhone has better screen, better audio, and better at handling low light noise. And I'm pretty sure that was comparing to iPhone 5.

For the record. I'm not an Apple fan at all. I have a windows phone!

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 11:51:26 AM »
That's a nice sweeping generalization, and of course it makes perfect sense, because all those people with great artistic vision and technical photographic skills can easily afford a 5DIII.  Plus, all those moms and dads with new babies are just oozing with disposable income, it's not like babies are expensive or anything...

Good luck finding that clue!

No, most people in that position will get an iphone to save money, get almost as good a camera, and better video. 

Above the t3, below the 100D we're talking ~$400.  If you really want IQ then you'll jump up to 70D (or 100D) for less than $100 more.

Do i need go give you a lesson about marginal utility?

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 11:08:06 AM »
Below the 100D? You mean the market segment that doesn't exist because it's IQ is indistinguishable from iPhones?  Get a clue Canon.

You mean the iPhone produces the same image quality as the T3/1100D 12 MP APS-C sensor? Get a clue HurtinMinorKey.

In the hands of the people who would actually buy something on par with the T3, yes.  Also, the iphone has vastly superior video.

This just seems like an attempt to kill off the EOS M (also done in by smartphone competition), and replace it with something that has a traditional mount.

EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 10:59:23 AM »
Below the 100D? You mean the market segment that doesn't exist because it's IQ is indistinguishable from iPhones?  Get a clue Canon.

EOS Bodies / Re: A New Rebel for CP+? [CR1]
« on: January 14, 2014, 04:49:04 PM »
I wonder if it will have that new and exciting 18 megapixel sensor they have been developing to be used exclusively in their rebel line.  ;D :'(

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon EOS C100, C300
« on: October 29, 2013, 04:43:09 PM »

I am however very interested to see what Canon does with their next C camera. My guess is we get a super C300 that can do raw, 4K and a boost to dynamic range.

I still expect it to be priced over $10K.  Also remember, the c300 has sold pretty darned well, because it makes peoples lives a lot easier. At the end of the day, especially for TV it isn't always about which camera gives you the best possible image (so camera specs be damned). It's about a camera giving you a consistently good image with limited hassle.

EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Wedding Trailer- Need Feedback
« on: October 22, 2013, 10:15:06 AM »
I really like the stuff of the reception. You did a great job in the low light/mixed light source setting. There is only one shot that I though was superflous in the entire video @ 0:29.

I'm also not sure about the placement of the meandering opening shot of the walkway (0:04). I think it would server better as a bridge between the before the ceremony shots, and all of the reception footage that comes later.

Very well done, especially for someone who was in the wedding.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Talk [CR1]
« on: October 09, 2013, 03:08:51 PM »

Canon should ask ML how to make their products better. ML seems to be superior in creating firmwares

ML is just a few people working without documentation (a few more them and with full docs perhaps they might be better though). The Canon team could likely do better and even faster since they have full docs and more man power. It's Canon marketing and MBA droids who keep their engineers in the dungeon and restrict what they can do and have them cripple this that and everything else.

I think Canon definitely helped ML with the latest raw video development. The timing with the "aha" moment is just too suspicious. But for the most part I think you are right about the Canon MBA droids.

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