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EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 03:23:48 PM »
Were we, dude?  Only video?

Yes, the person i was responding when you took my quote out of context was talking about video. Stop being lazy and read the chain of responses before you respond out of context.

Clearly you should not, dude.  If Canon does release a body that comes in under the 100D in the lineup, it will be because they are pretty damn sure there's a profitable market for it.  But I'm sure that you know Canon's customer base better far better than they do, it's not like they sell many cameras or anything like that.  ::)

Yes, canon really has their thumb on the pulse of this end of the market. Like how they cut the price of the EOS M from $800 to $350 in the span of a year.

I'm sure that was their plan all along.  :o

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 02:01:50 PM »

I rahter suspect most people currently buying an entry level dSLR already have a camera phone (and in the US, odds are it's a smartphone with a decent camera), and are buying a dSLR because the camera phone isn't meeting their needs.

Do you a lesson on the effect of sensor size on image quality?  Maybe I'll let Phil Schiller school you…

iPhone 5s has 'bigger and better' pixels that are 1.5 µm in size.  The T3 has 'biggerer and betterer' pixels that are ~3.5 times larger, in a sensor with an 18 times larger area.  Bigger sensor = better picture.

Sure, you can use a good processor and apply gobs of noise reduction.  Unfortunately, it isn't free - it comes at the expense of lost detail. 

Darn, those clues are so bloody elusive…I see you still haven't found one yet.  Keep looking...

Pay attention dude, we were talking about video.  And how you downsample/process your pixels can have a dramatic effect on IQ. The iphone is just better at that. 

I never claimed it had better low light performance in stills.

Also, the market segment you describe must be huge, of young couples with children (as you mentioned earlier) who have iphones, are tight on money,  but can afford to throw away 400$ on a marginally better imaging device.  ::)

You should apply for a job at Canon. 

The point is, there isn't a profitable niche in IQ BETWEEN the iPhone (or comparable) and 100D @~$400.  I'll further remind you that that's also where the Nikon 1 and Canon M live (in terms of price).

So either they release a product that cannibalizes the sales of the 100D because it's effectively just as good for less money, or they make it noticeably worse and it fails because that means it's no better than its price competitive alternatives(above phones or mirrorless cams). 


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EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 12:03:00 PM »

Is the fact that the T3 does "only" 720p while the iPhone does 1080p the reason you label the iPhone's video capabilities as "vastly superior"? If so, that's a load of rubbish. 1080p video off a cell phone is so massively compressed it's NOWHERE near as good as what you get from even an entry level DSLR. I've seen the 1080p video out of an iPhone. It's good, but it's blown away from the 720p and 1080p I get from my DSLRs (and even P&Ss). And that's in good light. Drop the light and any smartphone's video will be a mess of compression artefacts and digital noise from having such a small sensor.


The iphone has a much more capable processor inside of it,  which is why it does higher frame rates than the 100D, let alone t3.  Apple also doesn't to worry about nerfing the IQ in order to maintain product differentiation. 

http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/rebel-sl1.htm

To sum up, iPhone has better screen, better audio, and better at handling low light noise. And I'm pretty sure that was comparing to iPhone 5.

For the record. I'm not an Apple fan at all. I have a windows phone!



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EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 11:51:26 AM »
That's a nice sweeping generalization, and of course it makes perfect sense, because all those people with great artistic vision and technical photographic skills can easily afford a 5DIII.  Plus, all those moms and dads with new babies are just oozing with disposable income, it's not like babies are expensive or anything...

Good luck finding that clue!

No, most people in that position will get an iphone to save money, get almost as good a camera, and better video. 

Above the t3, below the 100D we're talking ~$400.  If you really want IQ then you'll jump up to 70D (or 100D) for less than $100 more.

Do i need go give you a lesson about marginal utility?

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 11:08:06 AM »
Below the 100D? You mean the market segment that doesn't exist because it's IQ is indistinguishable from iPhones?  Get a clue Canon.

You mean the iPhone produces the same image quality as the T3/1100D 12 MP APS-C sensor? Get a clue HurtinMinorKey.

In the hands of the people who would actually buy something on par with the T3, yes.  Also, the iphone has vastly superior video.

This just seems like an attempt to kill off the EOS M (also done in by smartphone competition), and replace it with something that has a traditional mount.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Next DSLR Will Be Entry Level [CR3]
« on: January 17, 2014, 10:59:23 AM »
Below the 100D? You mean the market segment that doesn't exist because it's IQ is indistinguishable from iPhones?  Get a clue Canon.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New Rebel for CP+? [CR1]
« on: January 14, 2014, 04:49:04 PM »
I wonder if it will have that new and exciting 18 megapixel sensor they have been developing to be used exclusively in their rebel line.  ;D :'(

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon EOS C100, C300
« on: October 29, 2013, 04:43:09 PM »
^this

I am however very interested to see what Canon does with their next C camera. My guess is we get a super C300 that can do raw, 4K and a boost to dynamic range.

I still expect it to be priced over $10K.  Also remember, the c300 has sold pretty darned well, because it makes peoples lives a lot easier. At the end of the day, especially for TV it isn't always about which camera gives you the best possible image (so camera specs be damned). It's about a camera giving you a consistently good image with limited hassle.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Wedding Trailer- Need Feedback
« on: October 22, 2013, 10:15:06 AM »
I really like the stuff of the reception. You did a great job in the low light/mixed light source setting. There is only one shot that I though was superflous in the entire video @ 0:29.

I'm also not sure about the placement of the meandering opening shot of the walkway (0:04). I think it would server better as a bridge between the before the ceremony shots, and all of the reception footage that comes later.

Very well done, especially for someone who was in the wedding.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Talk [CR1]
« on: October 09, 2013, 03:08:51 PM »

Canon should ask ML how to make their products better. ML seems to be superior in creating firmwares

ML is just a few people working without documentation (a few more them and with full docs perhaps they might be better though). The Canon team could likely do better and even faster since they have full docs and more man power. It's Canon marketing and MBA droids who keep their engineers in the dungeon and restrict what they can do and have them cripple this that and everything else.

I think Canon definitely helped ML with the latest raw video development. The timing with the "aha" moment is just too suspicious. But for the most part I think you are right about the Canon MBA droids.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 04, 2013, 05:21:35 PM »
I guess we have to wait even longer for a Canon camera with film like DR then, oh well.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« on: May 14, 2013, 11:04:05 AM »
Newmann Films just posted a really neat 5D3 RAW video example here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm8A7FH2Qg4

Looks like someone who doesn't know what they are doing with RAW... The EOSHD clip is much better.  I still want to see people's faces.

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EOS Bodies / Re: New 5D3 Raw video samples mind blowing!
« on: May 14, 2013, 10:10:03 AM »
http://www.eoshd.com/content/10324/big-news-hands-on-with-continuous-raw-recording-on-canon-5d-mark-iii

He updated the samples! Quality is just insane.

Just like that this may have become the best video DSLR ever. By MILES. And even outdo many of the more (even much more) expensive mid-tier video offerings.

The real crazy thing is that this capability also exists on the 5D2, that means we could have had video like this 5 years ago.  :o

At this point I am convinced that Canon helped ML get this up and running.  The timing is just too weird.

I still don't think it's quite on par with the BMCC, but it's definitely debatable now (we need more tests), and it wasn't before.

This is the coolest thing from Canon in the past 4 years, and ostensibly, they had nothing to do with it.   ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« on: May 13, 2013, 12:27:57 PM »
Oh please not more BMCC Koolaid. The C300 image (especially recorded externally) is one of the cleanest 1080p images in the entire business with virtually no moire or false color artifacts and lovely color science. The BMCC fanboys (some of whom are or were apparently secretly in the employ of Blackmagic Design) keep repeating nonsense but repeating something ad nauseum does not make it true. IQ test: hand a better DP (who isn't taking money or gear from either company, and who didn't learn what they know from reading online forums) a C300 and a BMCC and see which one s/he hands to the intern to shoot BTS.

Look at the videos online, the evidence is overwhelming, the very best of the c300 is outclassed by the very best from the BMCC.  And the DR advantage is a fact. 

Yes even Andrew (who I think, to his credit, is too random a figure for anyone to consider buying off) has declared the BMCC dead with this new hack. It's just about as annoying to use as RAW on a BMCC and the 5d3's a much better sensor and camera. I think even the official HDMI out from the 5D3 recorded into a Ninja 2 is a superior image to BMCC RAW.

Now you are just talkin crazy. The 5D3 does not have a better sensor, it has a bigger sensor. The BMCC more than a stop advantage in DR, and a higher native ISO.

Sure there are other codecs that are almost as good as raw, but you don't get those on any Canon Camera other than the c500.


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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III with Continuous RAW Video Recording
« on: May 13, 2013, 11:10:48 AM »
I think Canon are secretly happy with this.  ML has been around for quite sometime and Canon knows how much ML helped them sell a lot of 5D2s.  Who knows, they might also profit by adopting those free codes to their new cameras thereby raising raising their value without even doing anything... Good times!

I wouldn't be surprised if Canon actually helped ML out with this. The timing is really suspicious.  Right after the failed(or at least underwhelming) firmware upgrade, and just as BMCC is coming on strong.

This is something that we could have had 5 years ago on the 5D2(except maybe CF cards were not fast enough then)!!!

Either way I'm happy, this means a new lease on life for my 5D for video.

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