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EOS-M / Re: Hands-on with the Canon EOS M3
« on: February 25, 2015, 09:59:57 PM »
Hi Shunsai!
Could you be so kind as to tell me where that shop is you can play around with the new M3? I'll be in Osaka next Monday (I live in Kobe BTW) and am kind of interested in handling it myself (comparing it with my M at the spot)
Also, could you please advice me where to go for some street photography in Osaka? I like downtown areas (used to shoot in Nippori / Tokyo all the time) so if you could give pointers I would really appreciate that! (Sorry to the rest of the CR community for this rather selfish post  :-[

No problem. The more firsthand user experiences, the better!

Here is the address for the Canon store (the service center, gallery and experience store are all in the same plaza). If you follow the link, it will show a map of how to get there. That being said, it can be a little complicated to find. For one, on the street level, you're not going to necessarily see it because it's on the basement floor of one of the many tall buildings in Osaka. The best way to get to it is walking underground from Umeda or Osaka station towards the Herbis Ent building. If you're taking Hanshin from Kobe, it's about a 5 minute walk from Hanshin Umeda station.

Canon Service Center Umeda
Address: Umeda Dye Bldg. B1 floor, Umeda 3-3-10
Kita-ku, Osaka, Japan 530-0001
〒530-0001大阪府大阪市北区梅田3-3-10 梅田ダイビルB1F
Phone: (06) 4795-9100
Fax: (06) 4795-9103
Web site: http://as.chizumaru.com/canon/detailmap?account=canon&accmd=0&bid=411
Hours: 10:00-18:00, closed Sun. and national holidays
Directions: Canon Showroom is also adjacent. Near JR Osaka Station (Sakurabashi Exit) and Umeda Station.

For street photography, Umeda (north Osaka) is a great area for seeing lots of people coming and going. There is a bridge that connects Osaka JR and the other train stations. Lots of people pass there, some performers set up there- it's easy to find a spot to just stand and people watch.  I also like going to Osaka Castle (especially since the park itself is free; central Osaka). Dotonbori (near Namba; south part of the city) is also a really good place for photographing, sightseeing, and eating. There you also have tons of opportunities for taking pix of shops with great displays (some even animatronic). Even further south is Tennoji. They recently erected the tallest building in Japan there (from what I hear), and it is linked to the station by a pretty cool walkway above the main intersection there.

EOS-M / Re: Hands-on with the Canon EOS M3
« on: February 24, 2015, 05:39:30 AM »
Thanks shunsai!

No problem. I happened to be downtown today, so stopped by the Canon store to play around with the M3 again. It definitely makes a shutter sound when you take a picture. I couldn't really find anywhere in the menus to turn it off.

Regarding autofocus speed, while I didn't time it, autofocus was very fast and there was no shutter release lag as far as I could tell. It seemed virtually instant to me.

EOS-M / Re: Hands-on with the Canon EOS M3
« on: February 22, 2015, 07:51:57 PM »
Thanks for your review. Was this a pre-release version? My pre-order from Amazon.co.jp says it will not ship until March 31st.

Can you comment on the pop-up flash - did the mechanism seem well built?


The Canon Stores around Japan have basically an ongoing open house event where you can come in and play with all their current offerings (including the new releases such as the M3, 5Ds, 5DsR, and 11-24L). So it may be a pre-production version, I'm not sure, but if so, I don't imagine there being any differences to the final product.

As for the popup flash, no it doesn't seem very sturdy or well built at all. It felt quite flimsy as a matter of fact. But given the size constraints and the fact that none of the predecessors had an onboard flash, I think this is forgiveable. I'm glad that it's there, and from what I recall of the few shots I did with it on, it didn't seem too harsh. Either way, love it or hate, I do believe it's much better than nothing.

Thanks for sharing Shunsai.  Did you get any sense as to how much faster the AF was?  I've read reports that it is ~6x faster than the M1 which should put the shutter lag at ~0.1-0.15 seconds.

Was the AF fast and responsive?

Yup, I found AF very fast and responsive compared to the M and M2.

Hello shunsai, thank you for your feedback, it's greatly appreciated!

One thing I have wondered is whether the new M3 (or older M/M2) make any "shutter" sound or other noise when taking a photo?
Personally I'd love a camera that's completely quiet for discrete street photography in public places, without the annoying clicking my SL1 makes - even in quiet mode.

That can just ruin the whole atmosphere when you take pictures of someone completely oblivious, or skittish animals...


Sorry, I don't actually remember if the shutter made a sound or not. Nor did I check if sound could be turned on or off. If I get a chance to try it out again, I'll report back here.

EOS-M / Re: Hands-on with the Canon EOS M3
« on: February 18, 2015, 09:20:02 PM »
I'm curious to see if noise & DR has improved with the M3. The M has been a fantastic landscape/architecture camera for me with a shift-converted Nikkor 17-35, but I find myself having to do lots of bracketing & blending to get acceptable highlight detail & shadow noise.

Any observations on that end? I'm hoping DXO or DP Review will test it soon- if Canon managed to improve DR by at least a 1.5-2 stops vs M1 I'll buy an M3 from Japan right away, but the poor performance of even their recent FF sensors in that regard has me a bit hesitant...

Sorry, noise & DR improvement I don't have the answer to. I could only use the M3 in-store and the bottom was sealed, so I couldn't put my own SD card in to take samples home with me. I didn't spend too much time with the M & M2, so can't really comment on how their noise compares, but I wouldn't expect too much improvement. The first shots I took were at ISO 3200 and I do remember noticing the noise (that's what made me realize the ISO was high; I changed it for subsequent shots).

Thank you Shunsai for the first impression review.

Thank you, Dear Friend Mr. shunsai.
Wow, I will get one of this M3 the first batch in my home city NC. USA. and let my wife have Mi----Ha, Ha, Ha.Have a hgreat Wednesday.

@brad-man, no problem!
@surapon, my pleasure. I don't believe it's being released in the US, but there are ways to order it online. Will you order it through Amazon Japan?

I reserved one at the brick & mortar camera shop I buy my gear from here in Osaka (it was just a little cheaper than Amazon, but more importantly, I wanted to support the little guy... even if it is a little less convenient). I'm looking forward to getting one to play with soon! Hopefully some of the cherry blossoms will still be on the trees when I do.

Glad to have these insights.  Still on the fence between adopting the M3 or abandoning the M system to get a xxxD second body.  If Canon would release a down-scaled 17-55mm f/2.8 for M, or a couple more small, fast primes, that might make the biggest difference.  Or a compact macro.  Much as I like the 22mm, the 18-55 is just too slow; the 11-22 is too pricey; and the 55-200 is physically too long and way too slow (and just about useless unless AF really is worlds faster on M3).

With a tiny body that lacks a truly substantial grip, the handling of any zoom lens (other than maybe a theoretical power zoom) is going to be dicey because the torque applied to the zoom ring can be enough to destabilize your grip on the camera body--particularly when holding the camera out from your body to compose on an LCD.  A stiff ring like on the Tamron 24-70mm VC makes it useless in combination with the M.  Primes just handle better.

I think I may be convincing myself to bag it and just go with a Rebel T6s (760D).

@iron-t, very true about the destabilization of your grip while holding the lens barrel. It was a little dicey changing the focal length with one hand and holding onto the small body with the other (even with the built in grip).  For me this is just to complement my 5D2, so I still will use that as my main camera. But personally, if it was a choice of either a DSLR or an M3, I much prefer the handle of a solid DSLR.

EOS-M / Re: EOS-M And EFM22mm Low Light and Portability?
« on: February 16, 2015, 11:39:28 PM »
I like the M a lot.

Here is a grab shot at 2,000 or something iso. Take your time to set it up how it works best for your uses and it is a great little camera.

Excellent image!

EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: Optional Image Stabilization Unit
« on: February 16, 2015, 06:55:11 PM »
The diagram makes it look like an internal assembly, not something you add onto the lens mount.

Good point. I saw the diagram after posting and realized it probably won't be a consumer end product. It would be interesting if it was an optional service you could get Canon Service Centers to perform on your lens though, but that doesn't really sound likely at all. Oh well

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R Preview
« on: February 16, 2015, 09:36:57 AM »
I hardly feel qualified to offer my opinion, as I did nothing even remotely representing an extensive, technical or objective test, but today for the first time I held the 5Ds R, the 5Ds, and the 1Dx (yup, I'm super late).

Strangely enough, I liked the images from the 5Ds more than the R. They just seemed a bit crisper and cleaner. Is that one of the intentional effects of Anti-Aliasing?

Pixel peeping, I can see why these are cameras that you will more often than not want to have on a tripod- handheld it seems I could never get a tack-sharp focused shot. Granted, the display room was pretty dimly lit and the 24-70 f4L was the lens attached to it, but still.

If I were gonna choose between the 5Ds and 5DsR, I would go with the 5Ds... but I think I would still take a 1Dx over both of them.

EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: Optional Image Stabilization Unit
« on: February 16, 2015, 09:20:36 AM »
This sounds really good. Especially since I've recently been contemplating getting the 24-70 2.8L II, I was a little worried that they may release an IS version soon. But maybe if this gets released as an accessory, I may not have to worry about that afterall.

EOS-M / Re: Hands-on with the Canon EOS M3
« on: February 16, 2015, 09:13:11 AM »
I hope you'll enjoy your new tool when you'll get it.

Hey Maximilian, thanks! I look forward to playing with this new toy when it's released. I hope you are enjoying yours as well and getting some great shots!

Cool impressions Shunsai! Was the start-up time improved? How about the AF speed?

Hey bf, thanks. I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary regarding the startup time. I didn't know it was an issue, so didn't really take note of it, but compared to my DSLR, I don't recall it being any slower or any faster. As for the autofocus, I was actually really impressed with that. I remember when using the M and M2 last week that it was pretty slow and seemed to hunt a lot. But the M3 was really fast to find focus. Again, I can't say whether it was actually the 3-6x faster statistic that I've seen somewhere, but it was very much improved. Even with the L lens (with USM) it focused very well and very quickly.

EOS-M / Hands-on with the Canon EOS M3
« on: February 16, 2015, 06:22:21 AM »
I got a chance to play around with the M3 and EVF today at the Canon Store in downtown Osaka. First off, I'll say I really liked the LCD. And although the metal frame that it hinges on seems a bit counter-intuitive, I really like that the screen can be tilted. I can't see any reason why it couldn't be an articulated screen instead except to intentionally prevent it from infringing on Rebel and 70D territory. Even still, a tilt screen is still a nice addition.

I brought along with me my EF adapter and one of my L lens. Last week I tried this setup with both the M and M2, and didn't like how it felt- a tiny, gripless camera and a huge lens. With the M3, even with the new grip, it didn't make much of a difference. Using a large lens with this camera is not going to be a pleasant experience for me. For me, it really is just going to be a P&S upgrade with the ability to use top-quality lens.

As for the EVF, it is not something I see myself using very often. Looking through it brought me back to the days of using Sony Handycams and peeping through that EVF to see what was being recorded. I much prefer using the LCD as my viewfinder. Perhaps in some situations where the sun is too bright I might find the EVF useful, but I have my doubts about that.

Don't get me wrong, I still like it enough and plan on getting one on day one. The picture quality from what I could tell was really good. The ergonomics are probably alright if you're content to use M lenses, but not the most comfortable with other glass. And the EVF I can see being one of those accessories I throw in the bag to bring along with me just-in-case, but more often than not doesn't get used.

I'm not a professional reviewer or anything, so forgive me if this isn't completely objective and methodical. Maybe it can be useful to some though.

EOS-M / Re: Official: Canon EOS M3 and It's Not Coming To North America
« on: February 11, 2015, 08:58:35 PM »
Won't the menus and such when purchased from japan be in Japanese? Is there a way to change them to English?

I don't think there is a way to change the language for JP model.  Most Japanese model electronics doesn't have English menu.  That's why I don't buy Japanese model electronics even thought the Japanese model is cheaper nowadays(because of the exchange rate).  The only Japanese model electronic we have is Sony RX100 because that's for my wife.

Sorry, that's not true. I've owned at least 7 different Canon bodies, all Japanese versions, and they change between Japanese and English fine. They only difference in language they have is that it is only 2 languages as opposed to the European and American releases which feature over a dozen different languages. But at least for the time I've been here, the Japanese version does have the ability to change to English.

I will say that in my early days in Japan, some of the equipment I bought such as the Japanese Sony HDCam and the Japanese HTC Hermes did not have the built in ability to switch language, and I had to find hacks and workarounds to do it. But I've never had a problem with finding English menus on my Canon cameras.

English menus won't be a problem on the Japanese M3. If you need a language other than English or Japanese though, your best bet is to get the European version I think.

EOS-M / Re: How usable is an EVF?
« on: February 10, 2015, 01:26:08 AM »
I'm a little curious about this too. A lot of people seem to be diehard for an EVF. I've never used one before, so I have a hard time imagining it being that much different from the standard optical view finder (?). I use both a DSLR and a P&S. With the DSLR I use the viewfinder when I shoot, but with the IXY/Elph there is no viewfinder and I don't miss it. The screen is more than enough for me to frame my shots. I imagine I'll feel the same about the M3 since I'm viewing it more as an IXY/Elph upgrade with some pro benefits (EF lenses) rather than a DSLR replacement. I'm especially looking forward to using the tilt screen with my macro lens.

I couldn't resist pre-ordering the "Eos M3 with EVF kit" from Amazon here in Japan, especially since they give away the EVF practically for free (well, Yen 3.000 to be exact)

By the way, I'm thinking about pre-ordering myself but still trying to hold off for at least one review or sample pictures to confirm what I already suspect. Does Amazon.co.jp charge you immediately, or do they wait until it is actually available?

EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 Specifications
« on: February 10, 2015, 12:03:00 AM »
I think I'm most looking forward to using this for my macro photography. The tilt screen is what I've been hoping for. The macros I can get with my 100L and 5D2 are great, but stooping down low and looking through a viewfinder, or even at times a dim live view, have been problematic.

EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 Specifications
« on: February 08, 2015, 04:16:04 AM »
Hi Shunsai,

So I guess it was only me that was tricked the first half year  :o
Anyways glad you are aware, and lucky us for having this pretty little camera at our disposal for quite an interesting price I seem to gather (especially the kit with the evf!!) Might just be seduced to add it to my collection!

And by the way, and again, at the risk of telling you something you already know  :-[ the best deals especially for second hand gear can be found in Shinjuku at mapcamera!!!!! Those guys have taken millions and millions of my hard earned Yen over the last few years!

Take care and don't eat too many of those Fukushima peaches  8)

Haha, nope you're not the only one. I think I was shopping there for at least a good 2 or 3 years before I finally discovered Den Den Town (I'm in Osaka).

Funny you should mention Map Camera- I've bought a lot of my lenses from them too. I buy from them online from the site J-camera.net. It's pretty good for finding stuff at the best prices.

Yeah, I hope we get some sample images and reviews of the M3 soon, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it at this point. It's just a question of whether it's the first day or a few weeks after. Never been a fan of early adopting, but the EF lens adapter I ordered on Amazon yesterday just arrived. Gotta get something to put it on!  ;D

EOS-M / Re: Canon EOS M3 Specifications
« on: February 07, 2015, 11:12:48 AM »
Getting the EOS-M3 is a sure thing for me.

On Yodobashi Camera website (electronics retail giant here in Japan), the M3 EVF kit is being advertised for ¥64,580 which includes tax. The body-only is advertised as ¥61,340.

Hi Shunsai,

I am also based in Japan, and I never understood why on earth people shop in Yodobashi\ Bicamera at all???
Their points system is an absolute rip off!! Just check the Amazon Japan prices, and you will see Yodo and Bic just add to that price and then pretend you gain something by offering you points with money you paid extra!!! (CFR. The prices you mentioned for the eos m3 and eos m3 plus finder set....)
Take my advice and just stick to Amazon in Japan!!!!!!  ;)


hi untenchicken,

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't actually buy anything from Yodobashi. I realized years ago that their point system was just an elaborate marketing scam. I only mentioned them because the little camera store I buy my gear from doesn't have any information about it online yet. I just used Yodobashi as a point of reference. The place I buy it from will definitely be cheaper. Thanks though. I'll keep an eye on Amazon to see if it beats the store I usually buy at.

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