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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:27:03 PM »
Hi ya people :)

Look, let's get down to the nitty gritty. I work for a camera retailer and I can guarantee you that since April the D800 has outsold the 5D Mk3 by a 5 to 1 ratio. This explains recent price drops on the body and the deal struck with the Adorama ebay site.

Sure, the camera has sold okay, but not in huge quantities like the previous Mk2. I'm pretty sure that Canon has lots of stock sitting in warehouses, just as sure as they would deny this. Sales have just picked up a little recently because of the 5D Mk3 Professional Kit with the 24-70 MkII.

Look, Canon gave us what we asked for and then we snubbed them; decided we wanted everything that we said we didn't need.

The 46mp sensor has been rumoured to have been around for at least two years. Canon obviously held back believing people would definitely be happy with a 22mp, better iso camera. We proved Canon wrong. Look, I believe even a few more megapixels, 28mp, would have kept people happy.

Canon needs to bring out the 46mp ASAP. Nikon is 'killing' them at the moment. It can't be a 1 D body. If they want lots of sales they need a 5D body, 5D X, or whatever they want to call it. It needs to be reasonably priced, just above the D800, $500 or so above it. This will bring in the crowds.

Or, they could completely stuff it up. Make it a 1 D type body that is super expensive and that 4,000 or 5,000 might buy worldwide. WAKE UP CANON !!! :)

Before I am torn to shreds, I'll  let the wonderful readers of this forum know that I still have my 5D Mk2 and recently bought a 5D Mk3 which I am very happy with.

I, however, like all of you, would like Canon to continue doing well into the future, and the reality is that they have dropped the ball in recent years. The 5D Mk2 was a game changer; come on Canon bring out the 46mp out that blows both Nikon and Sony out of the water.

Look this is my two cents worth, my reality check for Canon. Take it as you will.

Signing Out...

Baloney.  Nikon isn't selling anything at 5:1 globally over Canon, maybe in some small market store that is Nikon focused but go to B&H (world's largest retailer on and offline) any day. and the crowd around the Canon pit is always 2-4x the size of the crowd in the Nikon pit...and that's before, during, and after the 5DIII launched.  I'm there at least once or twice per week.  How is it you work in a camera store and are still fixated by MP?  Nikon killing Canon?  Huh, read the Nikon fan boys rants about their own performance issues.  All the spec sheet talk about the D600 vs 6D...and then it is confirmed by Nikon at Photokina two days ago (to Philip Bloom ) that the D600 doesn't even allow manual settings in video...I mean, really?  Killing Canon?  Canon has manual video in the Rebel series.  There is a reason some cameras have gone backwards in MP in many cases both pro and consumer, see the recent G series and Powershot series over the past few years and 1Dx.

Seriously, no manual video controls for the D600? The uncompressed video feed was very tempting, but no control relieves me, now the D600 is just an overpriced D7000 that has an FX sensor thrown in :)
Though, the rebels, at least the first few didn't have much video manual control as well anyways, you can adjust the exposure compensation at least... though, Canon has Magic Lantern, and now that the 7D has been hacked~
Although, Canon hasn't evolved with it's DSLR video much past the MKII, they decided to go all out with the C series and now Sony, Nikon (at least not the D600) and M4/3 cams are better equipped and capable.
 
Yep, serious.  He posted about it after talking with Nikon Friday.  ...and there were some other points about the framing in the Nikon LCD view being atrocious and other nuances.  You're right with respect to video improvements on DSLRs.  There won't be much more groundbreaking stuff in DSLR format, it's going to the C100/300/500 now... which it should... the form factor can only support so much (XLRs, monitors, cage etc), the C100 is a good buy given it has the integrated accessories you'd pay another $2K+ for... no need for audio, monitors, battery pack, matte box, NDs, etc..  Those looking for more from video will be looking more toward something like the C series or competitor...and those prices will come down too, especially on the C300 now that the 500 is official.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 07:36:55 PM »
Flexible video crop (full-frame to 1:1 crop in all modes) for all these cameras.
5DIII firmware update to include flexible video cropping.
...
Big time bonus - native DNG format, including the option to use the new lossy DNG raw format (huge, huge advantage over MRAW/SRAW).  Include this in the above-mentioned 5DIII firmware update.

Yeah...I'd definitely crack open the checkbook for that.

I do not. All you videots ... stop your whining over bloody video features in bloody stills cameras, especially in DSLRS. Get it into your head, that a DSRL is the single worst possible videocam .. by its very nature. Now go away. Leave us in peace. Do yourself a favour and buy a decent camcorder from Canon or from Sony ...  loaded with all the video crap on earth. Zebra stripes, all sorts of video output options, audio levels, 99 microphones, and anything more. Today these camcorders even come cheaper than a 5D III ... 3000 USD for a Sony VEX Full Frame HD camcorder ... just buy it and vanish from the stills photography sections of forums.

ah, Dinosaurs DO still exist...   

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 07:33:55 PM »
I hope that the shutter on my 50D will keep on running long enough for a decent replacement...
Amen.    I have $2700 toward an upgrade on my 50D.  It sure does not look like it is a good time to upgrade.  The 6D is underwhelming (shutter and focusing system).  5D hasn't dropped in price (I'm just not quick enough on the specials) 7D and 60D are old.  I may just sit on my wallet until 2013 or until I hit  5D special

I think you're smart.  My guess is the 5D3 is closer to 3K USD ($2,999-3,099) by the holidays...and the 6D down a bit to $1,999-2099.  You can probably score a gently used 5D2 for $1,300 by end of year too.  The question is where does the 7D2 street price come in?  It has to be higher than the 1700 street price of the original 7D launch three years ago...but with the 6D at 2K ish, do they make it the same, little less, little more?  I'm taking a guess they put it in around 2,300 now that they have the 60D/70D which didn't exist when the 7D1 came out and 50D was way behind...  Everyone forgets how much they increased the 5D3 from 5D2... and with a new sensor vastly improving ISO/NR in 7D2, they might go for a higher price given the pro build quality, pro AF etc. compared to the 6D enthusiast design.  Spring is a long way away though...

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 07:24:57 PM »
That's a long wait for a new camera, none of which will touch the Nikon D600 available now.

I am a Canon fanboi, with 5DII and L lenses to prove it. But I just ordered a Samsung EX2F instead of G15, and I am seriously looking at the D600.

I wish Canon would go all out and give everything they can in a 5D size body. But it isn't going to happen in this round. I doubt I can wait another 3 - 4 years.
dude, the D600 is getting rheamed by its own Nikon fan boys... it doesn't even allow manual settings in video.  Nikon confirmed that to Philip Bloom in an interview at Photokina Friday.  A Canon Rebel is better for video than the D600.  Spec sheets aren't worth the paper they're printed on...they leave out the "S___ we can't do" section every time...

I'll definitely wait for full reviews, but DPR were sure excited about the D600 in their initial Preview.

hey, I'm a Canon Fan, not because I like the company or that I'm particularly brand loyal, but because Canon used to be unbeatable, at least in my price range. I think they can be today, but choose not to go all in with their new products. The market is competitive, Canon needs to roar.

No I get it... I just think anyone saying "this is better..." or worse... "Canon / Nikon missed the boat" etc. based on a spec sheet when no one has shot the first frame with a production version needs to chill.  Spec sheets are worthless, images and useability are everything.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 07:20:00 PM »

We can probably assume that all new EOS models will have WiFi as standard, although with wireless EOS Utility now a core feature on the 6D, it must not resonate too well with those WiFi-less 5D3's and 1DX's.

It definitely resonates which is why Canon launched the two new WFT-E6 and E7 wireless file transmitters with the 1Dx/5D3... the included wifi on the 6D has definite limitations, you're not going to be able to transfer RAW at high FPS rates etc at wireless N speed etc... I read an article on it last week, it's a watered down feature compared to the external transmitters...but it's an enthusiast camera so that's fine for the 6D.  My guess is they'll include it on the 7D2 just to give them another "added feature" but I think prosumers and pros will find it lacking in speed and other functions compared to the external transmitters...there's a reason those things are $600-700 each.  from Canon USA:


WFT-E7A Features

    Wireless LAN support for IEEE802.11 a/b/g/n, delivering ultra-fast image transfer speed
    Support for wired LAN Ethernet-1000BASE-T for high speed communication
    Enhanced linked multi-camera shooting
    Media server (DLNA) supported
    Wireless time synching
    Bluetooth-compatible GPS devices can be connected wirelessly
    USB terminal for easy connectivity

"The WFT-E7A is compatible with the EOS 5D Mark III SLR and offers a wireless-only LAN function for enhanced versatility when transferring data. It supports IEEE 802.11 a/b/g/n network connections, providing safer and faster wireless LAN transfers. It has a new image resend feature that ensures all images get transferred, even if a wireless signal drop interrupts transmission.

Wireless connectivity is gradually becoming an industry standard; many photographers are seeking convenient methods to transfer important image data securely and faster without the use of cables and wires. Canon developed the new WFT-E7A to support IEEE 802.11n, which provides seamless wireless transfers of large files at a speed roughly 3x faster than IEEE 802.11 a/g."

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 06:58:28 PM »
That's a long wait for a new camera, none of which will touch the Nikon D600 available now.

I am a Canon fanboi, with 5DII and L lenses to prove it. But I just ordered a Samsung EX2F instead of G15, and I am seriously looking at the D600.

I wish Canon would go all out and give everything they can in a 5D size body. But it isn't going to happen in this round. I doubt I can wait another 3 - 4 years.

dude, the D600 is getting rheamed by its own Nikon fan boys... it doesn't even allow manual settings in video.  Nikon confirmed that to Philip Bloom in an interview at Photokina Friday.  A Canon Rebel is better for video than the D600.  Spec sheets aren't worth the paper they're printed on...they leave out the "S___ we can't do" section every time...

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II, EOS 70D & 700D in 2013? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 06:50:12 PM »
I've been saying this since the 5DIII came out and it isn't really that difficult to peg... the 7D2 will get a new APS-C sensor that has similar high ISO/NR performance as the 5D3 sensor - the only glaring issue with the 7D IMO; it will get the ancillary features in the 6D/5D3 like aspect ratio in live view etc. and maybe dual CF/SD like the 5D3, flagship APS-C camera... They probably throw in the GPS/WiFi from the 6D as well just to say they added something else...  It will also get the continuous AF that the STM lenses afford in video...and hopefully they will launch a couple new EF lenses (primes) with the STM  motor other than the 40mm pancake.  The other two STM lenses are kit lenses for T4i IMO...too slow and way too much glass for quality video.  They will likely address moire etc in the 7D2 just as they did in 5D3.  I just hope they make sure the picture styles and color performance match close enough to the 5D3 so you don't have post nightmares shooting both cams together.  I saw your post on 1Dx/5D3 color comparison...though not sure of its accuracy, it's a concern still. 

So many people were saying they wanted the 6D to be a "FF 7D" (that is what the 5D3 is folks) rather than an entry level FF camera.  Well, now the 7D2 is going to be an APS-C cropped 5D3.  ...or 95% of it at least.  Word.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:59:01 AM »
Hi ya people :)

Look, let's get down to the nitty gritty. I work for a camera retailer and I can guarantee you that since April the D800 has outsold the 5D Mk3 by a 5 to 1 ratio. This explains recent price drops on the body and the deal struck with the Adorama ebay site.

Sure, the camera has sold okay, but not in huge quantities like the previous Mk2. I'm pretty sure that Canon has lots of stock sitting in warehouses, just as sure as they would deny this. Sales have just picked up a little recently because of the 5D Mk3 Professional Kit with the 24-70 MkII.

Look, Canon gave us what we asked for and then we snubbed them; decided we wanted everything that we said we didn't need.

The 46mp sensor has been rumoured to have been around for at least two years. Canon obviously held back believing people would definitely be happy with a 22mp, better iso camera. We proved Canon wrong. Look, I believe even a few more megapixels, 28mp, would have kept people happy.

Canon needs to bring out the 46mp ASAP. Nikon is 'killing' them at the moment. It can't be a 1 D body. If they want lots of sales they need a 5D body, 5D X, or whatever they want to call it. It needs to be reasonably priced, just above the D800, $500 or so above it. This will bring in the crowds.

Or, they could completely stuff it up. Make it a 1 D type body that is super expensive and that 4,000 or 5,000 might buy worldwide. WAKE UP CANON !!! :)

Before I am torn to shreds, I'll  let the wonderful readers of this forum know that I still have my 5D Mk2 and recently bought a 5D Mk3 which I am very happy with.

I, however, like all of you, would like Canon to continue doing well into the future, and the reality is that they have dropped the ball in recent years. The 5D Mk2 was a game changer; come on Canon bring out the 46mp out that blows both Nikon and Sony out of the water.

Look this is my two cents worth, my reality check for Canon. Take it as you will.

Signing Out...

Baloney.  Nikon isn't selling anything at 5:1 globally over Canon, maybe in some small market store that is Nikon focused but go to B&H (world's largest retailer on and offline) any day. and the crowd around the Canon pit is always 2-4x the size of the crowd in the Nikon pit...and that's before, during, and after the 5DIII launched.  I'm there at least once or twice per week.  How is it you work in a camera store and are still fixated by MP?  Nikon killing Canon?  Huh, read the Nikon fan boys rants about their own performance issues.  All the spec sheet talk about the D600 vs 6D...and then it is confirmed by Nikon at Photokina two days ago (to Philip Bloom ) that the D600 doesn't even allow manual settings in video...I mean, really?  Killing Canon?  Canon has manual video in the Rebel series.  There is a reason some cameras have gone backwards in MP in many cases both pro and consumer, see the recent G series and Powershot series over the past few years and 1Dx. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 22, 2012, 11:34:25 PM »
Should I sell my 1dx??

Very confused: 18mpx for $7000.00
46mpx for HOW MUCH?

Paul


Oh Lord.  The 1DX isn't for megapixels.  Have you used one for sports?  If you bought it for landscape and portrait at low ISO, you wasted your money big time.


I think he's this guy on the left... no clue... 
Canon 5D vs 1D Small | Large

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 22, 2012, 11:31:59 PM »
Yeah, you're probably right, it could be a 4D, but the low ISO range of 100 to 12,800 and not 50 to 51,200 or 101,400 threw me. Is this going to be a $4,999 EOS 4D designed for Studio or outdoor Landscape photography where low-light is not an issue?

well i take pictures with a dslr for 7 years now.
95% of my pictures are taken with ISO under 6400.

i really donĀ“t know what people need ISO 25600 and above.

and i wonder how these people have worked before.....

I agree about the super high end but it's not a question of "how have they worked before?"...it's a point of all the NEW and BETTER work you can do you COULDN'T shoot before in low light, handheld, both with slower lenses etc.  The first hour I shot with the 5D3, for example, I realized it was worth twice the price given the ISO performance increase over my 5D2, enabled me to shoot handheld with slower lenses vs. heavy fast primes, for example.  I found shooting ISO 6400 on the 5D3 was as clean if not cleaner than ISO 1200 on the 5D2.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 22, 2012, 11:22:40 PM »
Should I sell my 1dx??

Very confused: 18mpx for $7000.00
46mpx for HOW MUCH?

Paul

Confused how?  Why did you buy a 1Dx in the first place?  It is neither a studio camera nor landscape camera so why would you consider selling it for a high MP body aimed at studio/landscape?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 22, 2012, 11:18:37 PM »
Has to be FF sensor with pixel size of about 4.3 microns so very close to current 7D. Perhaps a FF 7D2 after all?

NO, there will never ever be a FF 7D2... 7D is and always will be an APS-C series...stop the madness.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 20, 2012, 08:13:20 AM »
In fact, Canon's global Japan site places the 6D BEHIND the 7D in it's pecking order...check it out...1D series, 5D, 7D and THEN 6D....then 60D.   http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd-e.html


This probably means that you will get less cps points (US) or only cps silver (Europe) for the 6d as its not "professional". But this is mostly marketing and doesn't necessarily mean the 6d is worse than 7d/5d2.


I'm not familiar with CPS specifics, but I agree, there is no "better/worse"...I think it's just organized by intended market, build quality...the 6D is only a partial alloy body, mostly aluminum and exterior is plastic and rubber like the 60D but a bit more ergonomic by the hands-ons I've read.  Canon calls it an "enthusiast" camera and the 7D a "prosumer" (even though clearly it's a pro APS-C camera, build is better than 5D2).

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 20, 2012, 08:01:51 AM »


The 6D will sell...a LOT.  It's just like when the 7D was launched to give those moving up from a Rebel to the x0D series another option in 2009... "7D or 50D?? Hmmm...if I buy the 50D will I wish I'd bought the 7D in six months?"

The 6D Will sell a lot????? HAHAHAHA............ At the same Price you can have something very very very BETTER: Nikon D600! I always loved Canon.... In the 2012 a product like that with that features and with that price is VERY VERY RIDICULOUS. See what the D600 have more for the same price!



You can't compare what happen with 7D: it's ridicolous!!.....

How old are you?  15?  Event shooters with multiple Canon bodies don't even look at Nikon and vice versa.  What is so "very very very BETTER" about the D600 grasshopper? It is still a Nikon after all, no? 

...and it's exactly like the 7D launch, 60D launch and even 1Dc launch... in that it's another option to choose from... having more choices is always "very very very BETTER".

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 18, 2012, 10:00:32 AM »
This is ridiculous what Canon has done. I have been looking to update my 7D and was really disappointed at the price of the 5DIII. When I saw rumors of the 6D I thought my prayers would be answered and I would get a full frame 7D! This camera is ridiculous. It is a full frame 60D. Maybe this could be a backup camera or something but that is it. I doubt a ton of people want a full frame 60D and are willing to pay $2100 for it.
I am so pissed at Canon right now for crippling this so much (and why include wifi & gps?). They could have priced this for $1800 without those or have put in a worthwhile focus system instead. And not even a dual SD card slot????? Ridiculous Canon. Also, i'm pissed at Canon's new extreme pricing, and for making almost no improvements in the last 4 years in video. Even their recent lenses were disappointing, not in performance, but in usability. Who wants a f/2.8 24mm & 28mm prime and why put IS in that and not in the 24-70 f/2.8? Its obvious Canon knew no one would buy the 24 & 28mm lenses if the 24-70 had IS at f/2.8, even if it was $2,500.

The 6D is not a worthy upgrade for 7D users for sure so now the decision is to save up for the 5DIII or switch to Nikon where the D800 & D600, while not perfect, have alot to offer. I could easily get away with the D600 as a main camera and be very happy where the Canon 6D would even be disappointing as a backup. My only full frame capable lens is the 70-200 f/2.8 II and that is probably easy to sell.


No one other than those with the whims expressed on these message boards ever claimed it was an upgrade, let alone "replacement" for a 7D.  The 7D2 will be the upgrade to the 7D and it will not be FF, it will probably be a new APS-C sensor with better ISO/IQ like the 6D's sensor is a new FF one and also have some improved AF around speed/sports etc.  In fact, Canon's global Japan site places the 6D BEHIND the 7D in it's pecking order...check it out...1D series, 5D, 7D and THEN 6D....then 60D.   http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd-e.html

The 6D is an "enthusiast" camera as Canon has clearly stated repeatedly in every announcement and marketing piece globally...a FF 60D basically with much better ISO/IQ.  Haven't had my hands on one obviously but the specs look like the build quality is inferior to the 7D/5D as well, no real mention of weather sealing levels and it is not a 100% magnesium alloy body, mostly aluminum to decrease weight.  It's not a pro camera, never intended to be one.  Everyone seemed to want a "FF 7D" well, they have one already, it came out this past spring and it's called the 5D Mark III.
 
The 6D is an enthusiast camera to provide an option for those looking to move up from the x0D series or even Rebel that want a FF option but don't want to spend $4K nor need all the pro capabilities.  It is an EXCELLENT option to the 7D for those shooting landscape, portraiture etc that don't have kids or photography sports and action.  It is also a great option as a B or C cam for event photographers etc. that want to park a portrait prime on it.  Why pay for a 5D3 for a B/C cam when you can buy a great piece of glass (or even two lenses) with the difference?  For event photographers shooting a 1D series or 5D II/III as primary body, they would prefer the 6D and the new 24-70 L II (or other new glass) to a 5D III and no new glass as their B or C camera option, I assure you.

The 6D will sell...a LOT.  It's just like when the 7D was launched to give those moving up from a Rebel to the x0D series another option in 2009... "7D or 50D?? Hmmm...if I buy the 50D will I wish I'd bought the 7D in six months?"  Now those looking to move up from an x0D have another option other than a $4K camera in the 5D3 or even a choice of whether a 6D is better for their uses than a 7D...and those multi-body shooters have a much easier path to that second, third or fifth body they've been needing but have done without due to budget.

The 5D3 will be closer to $3K by end of year...watch.  My guess is the LIST price (forget the recent Adorama mistake or one-off drama on eBay) of the 5D3 will be $2,999 by the holidays...maybe cheaper if they drop the 6D down to $1,999 etc.

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