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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 10, 2013, 08:06:17 PM »
3. As I've said for YEARS: APS-H is dead. Please don't keep resurrecting it.   ::) APS-H is now an unnecessary 'half way house' between APS-C and FF.  The 6D particularly demonstrates that.  Leave it to RIP, please!
 - APS-C for budget sensor, on camera flash, 'reach' (ie pixel density for certain applications - eg birding, some sports), and to make use of the wonderful array of EF-S lenses (many of which are L class in terms of image quality.
 - FF for more depth of field (DOF) control and per pixel sharpness, lower noise, and possibly in the (near) future, an overall much higher resolution photo - already competing with Medium Format.

Maybe you're right, APS-H is an unnecessary compromise between FF and APS-C.
If you're right, we can consider G15 is an unnecessary compromise between standard point&shoot cameras and EOS M.
And maybe APS-C sensor is an unnecessary compromise between P&Ss and FF.
And maybe P&Ss are unnecessary compromises between smartphones and FF.
And ...
 
 
Well, I think that a few compromises deserve to survive.

The comparison you're drawing between target marketing and product lines within the DSLR realm and the non-DSLR (let's call them 'P&S') realm is flawed, based on both market dynamics as well as the business / technology spectrum.

Canon produces a whole lot more P&S cameras than DSLR bodies. Many more models, and sell more P&S than DSLRs (though DSLRs have increased as a proportion of P&S in the past 10 years in particular).

There is a lot more market latitude for models like the G15 and even the EOS-M (above the standard small P&S) than for an APS-H between APS-C and FF.  Also, if one looks carefully at DSLR lenses, most are best suited to either an APS-C (EF-S) OR FF (EF).  EF lenses on APS-H can of course 'work' - but often they are better on either a FF or APS-C depending on the required application.

Similarly, a comparison of P&S between smart phone and DSLR isn't quite justified... though certainly the market will segment with an increasing number of smart phone cameras, as some of them have decent cameras included in recent times.

I do appreciate that there are some compromises between A and Z which do deserve to survive. That's where I see APS-C sitting (though even that I concede in the future may disappear... not in the near future, but possibly who knows what will happen in 20 years?!)  20 years ago the thought of a (FF) digital DSLR was a very 'futuristic' idea, let alone one with Live-View that could record movies. :)

Cheers

Paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 09, 2013, 11:59:10 PM »
3. As I've said for YEARS: APS-H is dead. Please don't keep resurrecting it.   ::) APS-H is now an unnecessary 'half way house' between APS-C and FF.  The 6D particularly demonstrates that.  Leave it to RIP, please!
 - APS-C for budget sensor, on camera flash, 'reach' (ie pixel density for certain applications - eg birding, some sports), and to make use of the wonderful array of EF-S lenses (many of which are L class in terms of image quality.
 - FF for more depth of field (DOF) control and per pixel sharpness, lower noise, and possibly in the (near) future, an overall much higher resolution photo - already competing with Medium Format.

You can proclaim whatever you want as much as you want. However, that won't change the fact that many of us, myself included, liked the APS-H format! Unlike you, many of us prefer to think of it as a useful half-way house between APS-C and FF. Not everyone wants FF for everything. Don't forget that there is a specific value to a cropped sensor: reach! When reach is one of the most significant factors, yet you want a balance between the often too small/too noisy pixels of APS-C, and the lack of reach of FF...well, APS-H once offered an ideal alternative that offered excellent IQ, superior IQ even, for a middle-ground price point (at least as far as professional-grade equipment goes).

I don't believe that APS-H should be brought back in the 7D II. On the contrary, I like the 7D line's positioning as the professional-grade APS-C part. I would, however, very much like to see something in the $3500-$4000 range bring back the APS-H sensor. Preferably in a 180nm part with something around 4┬Ám pixels, and all the fancy bells ans whistles of the 5D III. The 3D?

Sorry, but I have no interest in letting APS-H rest in peace. I want the zombie back!!! MUHAHAHAHAHAAA!

:D  Ha ha... you want the zombie back... oh dear... some people have watched too many scary movies... and it's transforming DSLR bodies to 'the walking dead' bodies!! :)

I appreciate many of your posts on CR, jrista... including what you've written earlier in this thread about 7D resolution compared to an older and lower MP 1D.

So while I believe the APS-H is long in the ground - buried... and only to be resurrected via 'zombie power' - I can sympathise & understand that for some photographers, APS-H is their preferred blend / mix.

Having 1 body to cover what you want (or closely what you want) is often more practical than having bodies (2 or more) of both APS-C and FF.

APS-C is what works best for me currently.  Maybe one day APS-C will die....  I'll aim to have enough 'bodies' in my 'cool room' to create enough Frankensteins ... to 'live' for a long time into the future... lol    ;D

Paul


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 09, 2013, 11:54:14 PM »
1. I have a marketing degree and background, and agree with kimvette that Canon & Nikon (& Sony) do not 'release a DLSR camera' to match what the competition has put out a month or two before.  Research & Development and then prototype and production for specific significant new technology changes (and incorporating this into any new body) takes huge lengths of time (often years). 

My background is electronics and I work in a R/D centre. most of the projects that I have worked on are in the 3 to 5 year timeframe. I can assure you that putting out a camera in a month is laughable. It would take that long to get the boxes made and print the manuals.

Canon will be working on the next model before the previous one gets to market and will have a study group defining the model after that. They will already be working on the  80D, the 7D3, the 6D2, the 5D4 and 1D? are probably in prototype and they are working on the 5D5 and 1D??

Hi Don

Thanks for posting, also with your experience.

I take it you wrote that to confirm that we agree?! :)  Because we do..... (just wasn't sure if you misunderstood what I posted). 

I also agree - that Canon will already have been working on that list of 'future' cameras: 6DmkII, 80D, 7DmkIII, 5DmkIV

PJ  8)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: July 09, 2013, 09:03:39 PM »
What an interesting thread... there are some valuable gems of truth, insight and opinions shared (obviously not all opinions are compatible with fact!)   :P

1. I have a marketing degree and background, and agree with kimvette that Canon & Nikon (& Sony) do not 'release a DLSR camera' to match what the competition has put out a month or two before.  Research & Development and then prototype and production for specific significant new technology changes (and incorporating this into any new body) takes huge lengths of time (often years). 

I think 70% - 90% of what the 7DmkII will be has already been set in stone. No doubt there are parts of the camera that are known now - and might have parts being produced - which will be finalised and incorporated into a final DSLR in the future... hopefully late 2013 or early 2014.  :D

No doubt Nikon (& others) are looking very closely at what the 70D's Dual pixel AF technology is about.  Of course Nikon will get some 70D's, rip them apart - and see if they can learn from that. Of course, not copying it- that would be copyright / patent infringement, and would cost them dearly in many ways  (fines, legal costs, reputation, etc).  But I can imagine some Nikon managment telling a group of their developers / electrical engineers.. "Why didn't WE do this first! We need to trump this with something better!"  And visa versa (eg re: the performance of Sony's sensors at low noise, Canon engineers being 'grilled' about matching / exceeding that.)

Then there are other aspects regarding 'pitching' the product, within their own lines and verses earlier models which is done via eg cost benefit analysis by 'reading the market' on how important is FPS, AF, ISO noise, etc. These improvements also take a long time - and with careful thought, (though the promotion and marketing of such are definitely more flexible, than R&D and production - though this is still time critical).

2. Regarding what has been said (and is being written) about number of megapickles... I would be happy with anything between 14 - 24 MP.  I would rather lower MP with lower noise than higher MP with higher noise... I fully realise these 2 factors are not directly cause-effect related.  Technology does exist to have very clean photos at low ISO, and good quality at higher ISOs too... but it's all about cost and returning profits.   :)

Canon do a very good job in this regard (ie of balancing technology with being affordable and long-term sustainable for their business). That's one reason they're market leader, as well as the overall package - eg lenses, accessories, support, warrantees, etc.  So I think this sets up a great future for the 7DmkII.  I certainly hope though that Nikon, Sony - and even other manufacturers stay in the business... as competition is so helpful (and in the end, the consumers win!)

3. As I've said for YEARS: APS-H is dead. Please don't keep resurrecting it.   ::) APS-H is now an unnecessary 'half way house' between APS-C and FF.  The 6D particularly demonstrates that.  Leave it to RIP, please!
 - APS-C for budget sensor, on camera flash, 'reach' (ie pixel density for certain applications - eg birding, some sports), and to make use of the wonderful array of EF-S lenses (many of which are L class in terms of image quality.
 - FF for more depth of field (DOF) control and per pixel sharpness, lower noise, and possibly in the (near) future, an overall much higher resolution photo - already competing with Medium Format.

4. 7DmkII 'ground-breaking' possibilities.  As there has been some talk that 7DmkII will be a jump up from the 7D in terms of product placement and features / functionality (it will still be an APS-C)... here are my thoughts:
 - improved implementation of the Dual Pixel AF, so much so that it will probably be very close to the optical AF, and might even be superior in some regards, eg ability to have good AF when using effective apertures like f/8 and f/11
 - the first Canon APS-C to have more than 19 AF points (as I see the 70D has largely inherited the 7D's AF)
 - a 'mirror up' option, to allow faster FPS... (might be connected with the Dual Pixel AF) with eg 10 - 20fps.  This will also allow the 7DmkII to have a substantially longer lifespan (when using LiveView more) - as the wear &  tear of mirror (& other aspects of shutter system) are reduced/ minimised.
 - best Canon APS-C ISO performance (maybe matching or even exceeding the Sony sensors?)   8)

Some other (less 'ground-breaking') features of the new 7DmkII that I forecast could include:
 - improved weather sealing
 - some enhancements to video
 - GPS integration
 - radio transmission for the latest flash units
 - wireless (for file transfer / connectivity)

As I use (and love) DxO's software 'Optics Pro' - I do hope that the Canon 7DmkII will still be supported by the 'Standard' line of their product, rather than the 'Elite'.  Thankfully so far, DxO have been keeping APS-C DSLRs (& any bridge / compacts) - in 'Standard' and all the FF (including the 6D) in 'Elite'- not just for Canon but for other manufacturers also.

When the 7D came out, I knew it was the camera I'd been waiting for - and I am very glad I bought it soon after it's release, a I've taken tens of thousands of quality photos. Since then, I felt Canon was a bit in a 'lag' in some lines of its product- but I realise this can be part of the calm before the storm (the R&D / Production cycle for the next batch of 'great cameras'). Just as the Canon 20D and some of the early 1D cameras were clearly on top of their market segment when they came out.  I felt there have been some 'lags'  (eg 30D - 60D) - with Canon keeping the xxxD series actually ticking along quite well - good set of features, etc, for the 'budget' / entry level line.

So now, I'm glad that I've been able to be particularly impressed what Canon have achieved 'recently' with these 3 cameras:
a) 5DmkIII (is what the 5DmkII should have been, eg it's build quality and AF, though to it's credit the 5DmkII did have video- a first!)
b) 6D - a true budget FF, which still includes some great features - eg central focal point, wireless, etc.
c) 70D- with it's return to AFMA, significantly improved optical AF compared to the 60D, and the LiveView / video AF a real game changer.

Looking forward to what Canon will bring in with the 7DmkII... and in the meantime I'll keep enjoying using my 7D to take thousands of photos and share with friends, clients and stakeholders

Ok, well that's my 2 cents worth!  You heard it here. (PS just to confirm APS-H is still dead!)  ;)

Paul   

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If the rumours that the 7DmkII include something 'ground-breaking'  - I am hoping it is it's IQ - which would mean a new sensor, and hopefully with an improved sensor manufacturing process - that would lead to less noise, greater DR, few banding issues, etc.  However the 7D's sensor is not as bad as some people make it out to be.

I love my 7D. Sure, there are other aspects about the 7D that could be improved upon (eg ability to focus with less light, and somewhat improved AF consistency - especially with Live View) - but as a whole package it's an awesome DSLR, and that's why I bought it soon after it was released.

Of course technique and glass also are very important. But as far as buying a DSLR body I haven't looked back from purchasing the 7D. The thousands of quality photos I've captured with it are worth it to me.  Even today there are still many landscape, macro, wildlife, portrait, event photos that I take which discerning people are very happy with.

Roll on technology improvements and competition!

Paul

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Lenses / Re: EOS - trip in the desert: dust
« on: July 08, 2013, 09:35:59 AM »
I live in the driest state of Australia (South Australia) - and have been to some environments which are dry, dusty and sandy. When the wind is blowing in these locations, I don't change lenses... though occasionally I'll change lens (not near the ground) at the beach, if I feel it's safe.

After tens of thousands of photos, I've had one or two specs of dust on my 7D's sensor as a result, but thankfully with my rocket blower have removed them. The 15-85mm - though not rated 'weather sealed' is definitely a step up from my former 28-135mm - which got dust (and 1 or 2 pieces of sand) in the zoom, but thankfully I could remove them (coax them out using gravity and a fine bit of paper, as they were still near the join of the zoom)

I also have the 70-300mm L - which is a step up from any non L lens...it's built like a tank, and tolerances are tight. I carefully brush off sand / grit / dust from my 7D body and front of lens. In spray conditions I do use UV (or CPL) filters - which I can wash off later (easier).

Best wishes for your trip.  In extreme conditions, I'd probably not go outside with the camera, unless you have some protection (eg designed bag, etc).  Then again, you probably don't want to go out without eye protection in a true sand storm either!

The photo & story of interpilot, and the post of tgara also share some telling situations. Do be careful, but where the weather isn't extreme... you should be ok (as long as you don't change lenses or filters), so enjoy it then!

Paul

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EOS-M / Re: Cases FOR EOS M + 22
« on: July 06, 2013, 07:24:45 PM »

Update:  I actually got a steal on a Lowepro Edit 110 which is a perfect fit for me.

For the benefit of ECRoyce, I meant a perfect fit for my camera.  Just in case you thought I could squeeze into a lowpro edit 100 bag.

Comedy gold!!!  ;D

Having lived in the UK many years ago, and being in both England and Scotland - I have to laugh at the 'Queen's English' references, with the word 'wee' (meaning 'little' in Scottish!) thrown in some posts for good measure!

:D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Links
« on: July 05, 2013, 06:39:21 AM »
Found this video from Canon Australia which talks about some of the options.

Canon EOS 70D - First Look

includes some shots of the device and menu options.


Well done. As an Australian, I'm proud to see an introduction to the 70D by Canon Australia, undertaken informatively and professionally.

The features and functionality of the 70D herald great things for the 7DmkII!  :)

Paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Announced
« on: July 02, 2013, 07:48:16 PM »
Of the sample images that Canon has released (at least that I've found) only one is at ISO 1600, nothing higher and nothing that isn't a smallish low resolution image. That's kind of worrisome.


unfocused, here is a link to some sample photos (and videos)

http://cweb.canon.jp/eos/lineup/70d/samples/

There is 1 full size photo at ISO 1600, and 1 full size at ISO 3200. There are also other samples at ISO 100 and ISO 400.

So far I'm impressed at the quality of these photos for each respective ISO... I think it's an improvement from eg my 7D.

Paul

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Preorder the Canon EOS 70D
« on: July 02, 2013, 01:06:16 AM »
I'm very happy with the listed price - for the specs that the Canon 70D has... it's packs a good amount of value. 

To me, seeing these particular features included, is great:
  • AF (19pt, cross type - like my 7D)
  • New sensor (20.2 megapixels)
  • great rate of 7 fps (almost the same as the 8 of my 7D)
  • AFMA (for up to 40 lenses)
Swivel screen is good too... one thing I wish the 7D had.

Well done, Canon.

Paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« on: June 28, 2013, 12:16:29 PM »
The 70D will hopefully provide a lot of bang for the buck... which will hopefully help fuel a healthy and continuing competition between major DSLR manufacturers for a decently priced 7DmkII eventually.  ;)

I bought a 7D quite soon after it came out. I paid a premium for that (ie didn't wait for half a year to a year, till the price dropped)- but the photos I captured with it (and still do!) are worth every Aussie cent! :)

Oh yes, a quick PS... Please, people who think the 7DmkII will be an APS-H.....  THAT SENSOR SIZE IS DEAD ALREADY!  :D

Regards

Paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« on: June 28, 2013, 12:11:50 PM »
The 7D's AF system is quite different to other Canon crop bodies AF (eg xxD, xxxD, etc).

Many people initially took some time to get used to it, and realise the full potential of the 7D's AF (eg adjusting custom settings, and practicing technique for a high keeper rate).

Yes, I have the 7D - and can verify when one knows how to use it, the 7D's AF system runs circles around what is possible with the 60D's AF. I've captured highly regarded photos using the 7D - which were with difficult AF scenarios - including BIF and some sport).

Or maybe 1 or 2 people here had a 7D with 'dud' AF?

I've very happy with my 7D... and look forward to what the 70D and 7DmkII will offer!

Paul

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Lenses / Re: 400 2.8 vs 200-400 4.0 1.4
« on: June 28, 2013, 12:06:10 PM »
I will try to post some photos this weekend.  However, after just having the 200-400 on a safari for 2 weeks, I can't understate how incredible versatile this lens was.  During one shooting "session" I was photographing lions and cubs at 400 with the extender.  A couple of lions from the same pack took down a zebra about 150 yards behind our vehicle and, as a result, about 8 other lions stood up and started to work their way towards and then right past our vehicle to partake in the meal.   Without switching camera bodies or lenses or even really moving much from my original position in the vehicle, I was able to photograph each lion as it got closer and closer.  My other friends were fumbling to switch camera bodies back and forth (missing shots) or found themselves very limited in their composure options as the lions got closer to the vehicle.  The minimal focal distance was also a big advantage when we came up on wildlife very close to the vehicle. 

I'm not saying the 200-400 is better or worse than any other lens.  I am saying it definitely has its uses.  For those particular uses, I don't think it can be beat.

+1

That is what impressed me about the lens, the very versatile focal length - 200mm to 560mm. From all accounts it has very good image quality at all settings.   8)

As I don't do sports serious, I don't necessarily need f/2.8 - but as I DO wildlife photography - including BIF, and also love the 'tele-compression effect in various landscape settings', I would find the 200-400mm f/4 1.4x very useful.

Paul

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 28, 2013, 02:15:25 AM »
where is the pic?

DMCA/copyright/takedown notice?

I doubt it. CR did post a very large version though. so maybe hot linking was an issue, even though it shouldn't be as it is not that hard to defend against.

It is still up at photorumors.com and I have a copy too, as do a few people here, I am sure. :-)

I did a print of the picture - yes it was quite an impressive (and what I could tell... authentic).

Hopefully we'll actually have the 'real deal'  Canon 70D out soon.

PJ

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 27, 2013, 08:28:06 PM »
This post has really got my attention... thanks CR.  I'm quite impressed at the 70D specs listed. They are not 'unreasonable' - as in, re-using the already very good 7D's AF, and some other improvements (eg LiveView AF, articulating screen, WiFi, etc).  The new '5 times quicker' contrast detect AF sounds particularly useful in some applications (I wonder if that only applies to STM, and how much other lenses, eg USM - also benefit?)

As I have a 7D - and love that camera - it does give me hope that a very good improvement is around the corner for the 7DmkII.... as that will probably be my next camera.  Because I use the 7D for all my photography needs - from landscape to macro to wildlife to events to casual sports and portrait - an improvement in the sensor (namely lower noise and better DR) will be come.

I have taken so many great photos - even landscapes and portraits - don't let someone tell you an APS-C can't produce stunning photos in those genres, even though FF will naturally have an advantage there... the quality of the final result is more about lighting, composition and knowing how to use one's equipment - including great lenses.

I'm looking forward to seeing photos soon - that were produced by the 70D - ie Canon's exciting new 'camera-on-the-block'! Yay for technological improvements.  Roll on 7DmkII.

a happy Paul :)

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