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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 7D - Wait or buy?
« on: February 28, 2012, 05:54:52 PM »
2 years ago I was in a similar boat to you.  I had purchased a Canon 350D (XT) in 2005. I take tens of thousands of photos a year, including different genres such as children camps (charity camps), landscape, macro, wildlife and the odd sports / portrait, etc. Particularly for the wildlife, camps and sports, I felt like a superior camera (with better AF, higher ISO) would be important, particularly as I am the official photographer for the camps, and occasionally am asked to do sports / impromptu family photography.

My Canon 350D / XT had over 70,000 shutter actuations - and was still producing quality images. however I was a bit worried it might 'die' at a critical event / moment. So at the end of 2009 - soon after the Canon 7D was announced, I felt 'this is the camera for me'. I had a number of good lenses already, some specifically suited to APS-C (1.6x crop) Canon camera bodies. I've not looked back.  The images I capture with my 7D are superior to my Canon 350D (though admittedly, for landscapes there's not much difference, but the higher resolution: 18MP vs 8MP is helpful). Both have decent ISO handling, though I know FF cameras of course will be much better.

But the vastly improved AF (accuracy, flexibility, number of AF points, etc) and frame rate of the 7D for wildlife, moving children, sports is truly a huge benefit.  The live view is very handy - especially for macros, and sometimes for landscapes. Generally the handling of the 7D camera is far superior to the Canon 'Rebel' series, such as your XSi - also metering, etc.  So I would suggest that you get the 7D. No one yet knows for sure if there will be a 7DmkII (could be, but there appears to be more talk that a 5DmkIII might be released soon...) - there is at this stage no official indication. But you might want to wait till after 2 March 2012 to finalise your purchase, as it appears there might be a Canon announcement that date.

All the best.  No matter the outcome, the 7D can be a great photographer's tool - capturing great images. It is listed at a good price now... and I think the 7D one of Canon's best bargains / value for money bodies at the moment. The weather sealing, durability, quality all come together well. Surely FF have lower noise and more powerful DOF control. But a new 7DmkII will not be available for maybe several weeks / some months, PLUS the price will be a lot higher.  I hope my post is helpful.  Best wishes. Do let us know your outcome.


EOS Bodies / Re: Just got word the 5D III isn't coming this week
« on: February 28, 2012, 05:26:28 PM »
LOL!   I also had quite a good laugh at the original post... and at some of the replies (applause given to various folks!)  Thanks for the "ha ha ha" laughs.   ;D

Well, as a guy earning a good salary in Australia, and currently single - I probably don't have the dilemma that some others have between the delicate line of 'negotiating' with a wife or partner about the purchase of toys / photography equipment for the hobby. Definitely everything needs to be kept in perspective - eg important things like paying essential bills, providing for health needs, future education, etc. (This is beginning to sound SO dry!!!!)  :-\

I do realise some people have suggested very much tongue in cheek about sneaking in a new body, or lens... he he he...

A strategy that can work is have two tins or 'fun funds' (one for each spouse / partner respectively) - where money is put in each (eg $100 from income put aside, $50 for A and $50 for B).  And then, purchases for respective hobbies / special spending made from each. (Purchases don't have to be made at the same time). I have a degree in marketing and accounting, as well as work background in both relationship counselling. I'm not saying I'm a guru, but I've seen this work very successfully - and makes both the purchaser as well as the other, appreciate what is saved up for, and then purchased.  ;)

There can be a 'grey line' about 'what is necessary' and 'what is a fun fund thing' (eg is an evening dress, is sports equipment, improvements to the car, etc, etc?) Being clear on definitions from the beginning is important. I've also lived in a developing country, working in international charity - basically gave up my career and income to do so, therefore I also know the real life restraints on being frugal and living on VERY little.  (So consider setting up a 'giving away to needs of the world' tin / fund also!)

Ok, to end on a lighter note.... ensure you hold your spouses / partner's hand MORE than you have your hand on the camera. That way, with love in your life, you are definitely more open to see the beauty in life (either a flower, landscape, smile, abstract form, etc, etc).   :-*

I don't think I'll be getting the 5DmkIII (or what will be the next 'budget' FF camera). I'm sure it will be a great camera, and I expect will have awesome image quality.  But I'm still very thankful with my 7D - and it does what I need it to in a very good way. It's a very versatile and capable camera body, and with the 4 quality lenses I have (including good zooms, prime, macro, etc)- I can capture pretty much any photo I want to.

For sure, advancement in technology and more capable cameras, including the 5DmkIII that we're expecting will be a welcome addition to the market, and will hopefully see improvements 'trickle down' to more Canon camera bodies! We're all winners.  Happy photography everyone!!!    8)

Regards (& lots of laughs)


Lenses / Re: What's your favorite Canon lens and why?
« on: February 22, 2012, 08:41:14 PM »
My favourite lens is my Canon 15-85mm USM IS.   ;)

The reason for this is that it is just so versatile on my Canon 7D.  The size / weight, and focal length are just so useful, and I can use it for probably about 80% of photos I take. While it's not particularly fast, IS helps in some situations - and the USM focus is both fast and accurate.

The image quality of the 15-85mm is very good. Some minor issues on the wide end (to be expected, eg small bit of CA, and softness at the edges / corners). But really quite good considering! I had a good copy of the Canon 28-135mm, but my 15-85mm is superior in every regard, including build quality.

My next favourite lens would be my 70-300mm L. That is also my most expensive lens and perhaps has higher image quality than the previous lens.  The 70-300mm L is also very versatile for a telezoom - both it's physical size (fits in my LowePro should bag) - and can do eg portraits at 70mm f4, to birds / wildlife / some sports - up to 300mm @ f5.6.  But definitely the Canon 15-85mm is more a 'go to' lens for more of my general photography (eg landscape, casual portraits, even flower macros, etc).

Cheers.   8)


Lenses / Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« on: February 22, 2012, 08:24:28 PM »
Kinda curious, how many of you would buy a new 50mm 1.4 with fantastic optics?  That's the kind of lens I have been waiting/hoping for.  Even if it was let's say $500, I would still jump on it.  Am I the only one who doesn't have thousands of dollars and would still love to have a great affordable lens like that?

Ahhhh.. I had a good chuckle at something you wrote above, michi  ;D
"Even if it was let's say $500".
It's much more likely to be closer to $1000 seeing the price of most of Canon's latest offerings!  Eg the 24mm f2.8 USM IS and 28mm f2.8 USM IS are around $800.  A much faster (eg f1.4!) lens, even without IS would cost around $800 to $1000 is my guess.

I'd be happy with a new 50mm f1.8 that has true (ring) USM (IS could be a bonus) for around $500-$600, or a f1.4 for around $800-$1000 with true USM (IS again, just as a bonus).  I had the 50mm f1.8, but sold it - as the focus accuracy & speed as well as bokeh aren't up to my standards.

I want a fast lens (at least f2), around 50 - 60mm, very high IQ wide open, true USM. That is the only real 'gap' in my current lens range  ;)   I have 4 other lenses: 10-20mm, 15-85mm, 100mm macro and 70-300mm L, so the 'fast quality prime' is the one I'm looking for.

I've seen too many focus issues with the Sigma 50mm f1.4 to be convinced by it. Same (weak, not true full ring USM) with the Canon 50mm f1.4, where many copies are not sharp enough wide open either.

Please please please Canon...


Australia / Re: Camera repair in OZ
« on: February 22, 2012, 07:51:42 PM »
Shame to hear your Canon 5Dc is having some issues.

I've had my camera repaired (under warrantee) when the built-in flash on my 7D didn't 'pop back up' - after I had an external flash mounted on the hotshoe (this is a known, identified problem).

I took my 7D in to the store, they took down my details, a description of the problem - etc - and it took a couple of weeks (no communication in the meantime - till it was ready), but thankfully I had a backup Canon camera body.  It works fine now.

Maybe you could contact Canon Australia directly while you're here and ask them: www.canon.com.au

Best wishes


EOS Bodies / Re: CanonRumors Accuracy
« on: February 22, 2012, 07:25:12 PM »
I do get very excited when I see a CR3.....   :P

Often the CR3s are not only 'spot on' (or very very close) - but they nearly always also herald that the date of announcement is actually accurate.

So, next week it is then!   8)

Thanks, CR guy!  Catch you all then with the (hopefully exciting) official releases / news / outcomes.  In the meantime - happy photographing my friends.


EOS Bodies / Re: *BUSTED* 5D Mark III & 5D X Specs?
« on: February 21, 2012, 05:35:23 AM »

- 5DmkIII ('enthusiast')  26MP 5fps. 19pt AF downgraded 7D AF, A few cross-type AF pts.
- 3D ('premium') 34MP 8fps. 45 AF, many cross-type and extra sensitivity AF pts. Better body.
- 1DX ('professional') 18MP 14fps. 61AF. Full professional body. Highest connectivity and feature set.

The main marketed differentiation between the 5D line and the 3D line will be on the sensor, with the focus for the 5D line being on low noise and great DR, whereas the 3D marketing focus will emphasize resolution, advanced features and body quality.


Reasoning on market segment, IMHO the 5DIII should lure those that own the 5DII (they are a nice segment in dimension), making them update to the newer, as much as those looking for an all around professional camera  less expensive than the 1DX.

The high framerate on a high resolution sensor camera has a reason if you don't split the line (as Nikon is doing with the D800).

If Canon is planning to split the 5D line, the high framerate should go to the lower-res camera (as a feature for general purpose shooter).

The high-res camera should be addressed to studio professionals or resolution addicted amateurs (they don't see high framerate as a big selling point) and bring a higher cost in comparison.

If you also take account of what the video enthusiasts are expecting, they don't need a higher megapixel camera, but a better Dynamic Range sensor for sure (as much as some video oriented new features).

So if you push on the DR feature, you must lower the pixel count and increase pixel dimension.

Canon can do the split since it is a mammoth company with a huge R&D dept. in comparison to Nikon (using Sony made sensors on proprietary specs), and it also makes sense on a usage-driven market segment (photo vs. video).

This is only speculation, of course, keep it with a grain of salt because we don't know all the photo-video Canon market numbers.

But also keep for sure that if a disruptive innovation has to be made for a product (the Canon 5D), it should be Canon itself to do it, because it opens new markets, don't cannibalize the existing one (think to the Apple iPhone 's new models development path).

Hi spideyhero

Also thanks for your comments above, replying to my initial post in this thread.

I can see the logic, of splitting the FF under the 1DX by having both:
1) a 'high resolution / slower fps' camera (studio / landscape) and
2) a 'lower resolution / higher fps' (sports / wildlife / photo-journalists)

However, for some reason, at this stage, I am just thinking they might split differently. I could very well be wrong. I just see there being a 'gap' for a (perhaps) 3D - which is above 5D line in resolution and in fps.  Like the 7D was when it came out (above other APS-C cameras in both resolution and fps).

I think both the 5D line and a possible 3D line will be relatively high resolution, compared to the 1DX, which has the ultimate image quality per pixel - in terms of very low noise, great DR - and the most speed of them all.

Let's see! Thanks again.   ;)


EOS Bodies / Re: *BUSTED* 5D Mark III & 5D X Specs?
« on: February 20, 2012, 06:31:56 PM »
- 5DmkIII ('enthusiast')  26MP 5fps. 19pt AF downgraded 7D AF, A few cross-type AF pts.

Cant see them developing an inferior AF wihen they already have the 45 point 1d4/1ds3 AF sitting in the parts bin waiting to be fitted

Hi Brian, thanks for your post also.  :)

Yes, I can definitely see where you're coming from, that it might seem better to use an existing / working AF system rather than 'dumb down' say the existing 7D AF.

My post above was speculation, however I do see a gap between the 5DmkII and the 1DX that 'needs' to be filled by something like what I've proposed above might be the specs of a 3D, which uses a good working 45pt AF system similar (or exactly the same as) the previous 1D4/1Ds3.  I just don't see the 5D line inheriting that (at least not 'yet').

And as I've seen Canon do quite successfully in the APS-C lines, that is: have a range - ie 4 (!)  differently developed AF sensors, which also seems 'inefficient' from a R&D perspective, but they have that. Although I'm reasonably technically competitent, I am not a electronic engineer (I've got a marketing degree instead)- thus I'm not sure the development costs (to dumb down a 7D or 'invent' another AF system all together for the 5DmkIII).  I just think Canon are trying to win points and market share by having a 'range to suit every person' - and also clearer reasons to attempt to tempt people up to the next line or tiers of camera.

But who knows... you could very well be right (and if so, well done!).  Time will tell... and hopefully we'll know before too long.   8)



EOS Bodies / Re: *BUSTED* 5D Mark III & 5D X Specs?
« on: February 20, 2012, 06:19:24 PM »

- 5DmkIII ('enthusiast')  26MP 5fps. 19pt AF downgraded 7D AF, A few cross-type AF pts.
- 3D ('premium') 34MP 8fps. 45 AF, many cross-type and extra sensitivity AF pts. Better body.

If the 5DMkIII is as you suggest it would match Canon's marketing from the past quite well. Let's compare what $3K brings us:

Nikon D800 - 36.3 MP, 4 fps ( up to 6 fps in DX mode), Nikon's best AF, fully sealed
Proposed 5D3 - 26 MP, AF inferior to even 7D's, and 5 fps

Now unless Canon does something magical with their sensor (something they have not done in some time now ) WHY would the average person buy the Canon except for already owning Canon glass? I've shot Canon gear since 1980 but am not a loyalist nor do I jump camps at a whim (obviously).

At some point though Canon has to step up and at least TRY to match what Nikon is doing, or at least come close to matching them.

I am at an end with buying crop sensors (currently using 7D,,, good camera, like it, but noise above ISO400 is tough on bird feathers ). I'm ok with buying bigger glass to replace the crop. But there is no way I would pay $3K to have an AF worse than my 7D.

This is like ESPN's "Come On MAAN" routine.

I prefer the rumors of a 1D MkIV AF or slightly dumbed down 1D-X Af, 5 to 6 fps and 22 MP for the next 5D. But I fear they will deliver something closer to what Paul is suggesting here. I also hope the rumors of the 1D-X MAYBE adding F8 Af ability is true. D800 and D4 both offer that.

Will be interesting to see if Canon steps up or if they continue to preserve the flagship at all costs, avoiding what Nikon did with the D3/D700 ( where D700 was a much cheaper option, add grip and almost a D3).

But Canon continues to do their marketing as they have and perhaps A D4+ 200-400F4 + 1.7X TC is an option.. hate to suggest it but who knows.

Thanks jdavis37 for your reply and thoughts.

I agree with you, that the Nikon D800 offers a lot of bang for the buck, and on paper it appears to be an impressive camera. With the 5DmkIII (or whatever the 5DmkII successor will be called), I think Canon will be targetting a lot of those already with Canon glass - and many of these will have significant glass already.  So if the price of 5DmkIII and D800 are close, I think they are going to differentiate on 'you're with us already' - not expecting many people to switch because they have lenses they don't want to part with, and a system that 'works' for the photographer already.

Perhaps Canon will have a sensor in the 5DmkIII that will be very good in terms of low (clean) noise at all ISOs, high DR and is very sharp per pixel definition, and they'll be encouraging people to either upgrade from APS-C or 5D / 5DmkII. If Canon do go the '5D line and 3D line' for FF below the 1D line, I think they'll 'aim' the 5D just below Nikon's D800, and the 3D significantly above the D800 (even if the prices don't fully reflect that). Canon will have done their research on that, and my understanding is that they make most of their profits and 'gain customers' via the APS-C cameras, first... then migrating them up to FF.

I find the 7D's AF to be very good for what it is.  The flexibility of the cross-type AF points location (for composition) and working well (ie focussing reliably and accurately), even in relatively dim light I'm happy with. Obviously I'd like to have a superior system (eg ability to focus in even lower light, perhaps even quicker AF response), but I think it is very powerful - and I've seen many experienced photographers really like it for action shots (eg sports, birds in flight, etc). The 7D noise is certainly an area they can improve on (and I hope they do for the 7DmkII).  Though for critical applications I select as low an ISO as I can, and post processing does often remove noise while preserving decent detail well - though of course not at the higher end ISOs.

The 3D I think will be aimed at those who need more speed and better AF than the 5DmkIII, whereas the 5DmkIII will have better AF than the 5DmkII, and be aimed at the 'more budget conscious studio / landscape photographer' after very high image quality, without getting anywhere near the $5k for 'just the body'. Similarly to the APS-C lines of cameras, I think any 3D will be developed to 'do everything better than the 5D line' - just as the 7D does everything better than the 60D, and in turn the 60D currently do everything better than the 600D (build quality, AF, features, etc).  The sensor is the minor differentiation here.  The Canon 200-400mm with built in 1.4 TC will be a lens that many with the 3D will 'want'. I do think it's a 'shame' the 1DX doesn't have AF f8 capability, and not sure if Canon is perhaps looking to change this via another FF that can AF @ F8, or via firmware.

jdavis37, I hope that Canon will surprise us with their next release of camera bodies. In many aspects, Nikon has upped the ante in recent years, though I still prefer Canon's bodies, colours and definitely most lenses (and lens breadth / quality, though of course both have many very good lenses). Let's see where this goes. I'm still very keenly looking forward to the image quality that is going to come from the FF 1DX 18MP.... hoping that it is something of a huge revolution in image quality - ie out of this world even compared to the 5DmkIII.  Not that I am planning to buy that camera..... even though I have currently the 'spare funds to'.

But I do believe Canon have seen what Sony's sensors have been like, and in response Canon has been doing a lot of work (R&D) on their sensors, that hopefully will trickle through as improvements in quality to all their next released models.



Like the above post, a lot of this makes sense to me, provided it is an accurate story. I've given applauses to the folks who've highlighted the logic - and presented options about what could be happening with possible Canon releases  :)

Before reading this thread, I'd just posted in another thread about the 5DX/5DmkIII - basically indicating that I believe a 5DmkIII will come out, but there is space for a higher megapixel 3D.

Full post there at http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=3494.msg73576;topicseen#new

In summary, here is my take on the future Canon line-up:

- 1200D ('budget')  12MP 3fps. Basic 9pt AF & budget sensor. Smallest body & OVF.
- 650D ('consumer') 18MP 4fps. 9pt with cross-type & better sensor. Better display & OVF.
- 70D ('amateur') 18MP 6fps. 9pt AF with more cross-type AF pts. Better body & OVF.
- 7DmkII ('prosumer') 22MP 8fps. 19pt AF, cross-type AF pts. Best APS-C body & OVF.

- 5DmkIII ('enthusiast')  26MP 5fps. 19pt AF downgraded 7D AF, A few cross-type AF pts.
- 3D ('premium') 34MP 8fps. 45 AF, many cross-type and extra sensitivity AF pts. Better body.
- 1DX ('professional') 18MP 14fps. 61AF. Full professional body. Highest connectivity and feature set.

Hmmmm... Interesting times!!    ;)


EOS Bodies / Re: *BUSTED* 5D Mark III & 5D X Specs?
« on: February 19, 2012, 10:47:48 PM »
Hi friends,

I have been following various discussions of a possible'new' FF (eg 5DX/5DIII/5Ds/3D) on these forums and in other places for some time, and have found it interesting seeing the various opinions and speculations presented.

Amidst all the 'information and rumour' overload... there have been a few posts in this particular thread that I think are particularly logical - and applause duly given to those   8)

I do not think Canon will be going down the route of developing and selling 2 cameras under the 5D line. I think their branding department want to maintain an emphasis on different camera names with an intended target market.

So I believe there might be a 3D in some of the rumours / information we've seen floating over the last while.  I believe a 3D will be marketed as a camera that can do anything a 5D can do, but somewhat better in every regard.

In this post, I provide my take (in summary) on what could constitute the whole of a future Canon lineup, under the APS-C and FF tiers / sensor size categories. I'm predicting the next model of each camera body / line, except for the 1DX which hasn't hit the shelves yet. Within my list, I'll provide my take on the possible equivalent of a 5DmkII replacement, which I'm calling the 5DmkIII, though it could also be called the 5DX (same for the possibility of a '7DX').  I have given a name to each line ('in brackets'), that I think defines the branding strategy and focus Canon has had for each line over recent years.

I'm not including all features of each camera- even though I might have a projection and guess for these.  That is I won't list the following in my comparisons below: display size / resolution / type, ISO range, exposure or metering details, live view, video details, memory type, CPU # or type/s, flash details, body size.

Note that comparisons between APS-C and FF should not be made.  People who do not understand the real differences between APS-C and FF cameras / sensor sizes will consider APS-C to be 'non pro' and FF to be 'pro'.   ::)
Read from the top down to make sense of the list.  That is, comparisons of 'better' / 'more', etc refer to the model directly above. In general, the handling and features of the respective bodies will get progressively superior in each tier (APS-C and FF) - which can be noted by aspects such as (any) weather sealing, quality of optical view finder (OVF), buttons, features and customisation.

- 1200D ('budget')  12MP 3fps. Basic 9pt AF & budget sensor. Smallest body & OVF.
- 650D ('consumer') 18MP 4fps. 9pt with cross-type & better sensor. Better display & OVF.
- 70D ('amateur') 18MP 6fps. 9pt AF with more cross-type AF pts. Better body & OVF.
- 7DmkII ('prosumer') 22MP 8fps. 19pt AF, cross-type AF pts. Best APS-C body & OVF.

- 5DmkIII ('enthusiast')  26MP 5fps. 19pt AF downgraded 7D AF, A few cross-type AF pts.
- 3D ('premium') 34MP 8fps. 45 AF, many cross-type and extra sensitivity AF pts. Better body.
- 1DX ('professional') 18MP 14fps. 61AF. Full professional body. Highest connectivity and feature set.

The main marketed differentiation between the 5D line and the 3D line will be on the sensor, with the focus for the 5D line being on low noise and great DR, whereas the 3D marketing focus will emphasize resolution, advanced features and body quality. Both 5D line and 3D line will require a separate grip. The most difficult name to attribute to any of these cameras, was the (hypothetical) 3D...  I had also considered the following words "advanced / elite / deluxe / superior / expert / high-end" before deciding on 'premium'.   ;D

I expect the eventual (street) price of the 5DMkIII will be about $3,000 Euro / AUD / USD or about 2000 GBP, though the initial RRP might be a bit higher.
In comparison, if a 3D line does come out, I expect it to have a price of about $5,000 Euro / AUD / USD or about 3500 GBP, again though - the initial RRP might be a bit higher.
The 1DX has been marketed as the 'super fast, powerful AF' that photo-journalists and professional sports photographers demand, with connectivity options indicating a 'on the fly' environment for the target market. The 1DX's sensor will probably be Canon's lowest noise / highest dynamic range sensor for some time - given the relatively low MP for a FF.

FYI, I have the Canon 7D and 350D camera bodies, and a number of lenses, including the 15-85mm USM IS, 70-300mm L USM IS, 100mm USM macro and Sigma 10-20mm HSM EX. In my humble opinion, the number of quality Canon EF-S lenses (eg 17-55mm, 10-22mm, 15-85mm, 60mm macro) indicates their commitment to continue developing and producing the 'amateur' and 'prosumer' camera body lines for some time yet, with APS-C sensors continuing to offer a broad spectrum of photographers a good balance in terms of flexibility, quality and size. The APS-C tier fits between P&S / mirrorless cameras and FF.

My take on the future above, is purely derived from a personal analytical perspective. I have a marketing degree and working background, but have no insider knowledge from Canon. I don't believe that we'll see the return of APS-H sensors. Part of what I've written above might be hypothetical, but I'll be curious to see in the future how many of these I got 'close' or even 'spot on'!  ;)

I look forward to your comments.


Lenses / Re: 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 vs 17-40mm f/4L for a crop camera
« on: February 19, 2012, 03:17:14 AM »
Go for the 15-85mm if you're sure you'll not go FF. It's a great lens - from an IQ perspective most copies of the 15-85mm are very sharp, produce contrasty / well coloured images. You won't notice an IQ deficiency when using the 15-85mm in comparison with the 17-40.

The 15-85mm has a wider zoom range than the 17-40. I'd find the 40mm tele end quite limiting.  Also, the 2mm on the wide end are very useful. The 15-85mm has IS, whereas the 17-40mm doesn't. Both have USM / FTM. I use the 15-85mm on my 7D as my main lens, and yes, I have and use L lenses, but the 15-85mm is up there in image quality with many L zooms.

The main thing the 17-40mm has for it, is a slightly superior build quality (and of course, FF compatibiility). The 17-40L is constant aperture, but to me (and many users) that's not a big issue, especially as at 40mm the 15-85mm has just gone from f4.5 to f5.0 (which isn't much 'slower' than f4).  So for me it's a no brainer.

All the best.


Lenses / Re: 70-300L anyone?
« on: February 17, 2012, 01:40:32 PM »
I have this lens, and it's sharp sharp sharp, has great contrast & colour. Is built like a tank. Is actually very useable as a walk-around, hand-holdable lens. It's max aperture is very close to the 70-200mm f/4 lenses at same focal lengths, PLUS you get an extra 100mm.

Definitely worth buying if you want a very convenient, telezoom that can high image quality, and don't need to use it for sports in low light.


Lenses / Re: The future of the EF-s 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM
« on: February 14, 2012, 05:45:33 PM »
There are many happy users of the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM lens.  It can produce great photos in the hands of the right person - as can a lot of other lenses...  :P  The constant f2.8 is great for low light work, and to get a decent amount of subject isolation / background blur at the tele end.

I don't believe an update for the 17-55mm will be coming anytime soon though. One of the major reasons that I have for this, is that Canon released the EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM a few years ago, ie a few years after the 17-55.

While the 15-85mm isn't a constant f2.8 lens, it does improve on a few other aspects of the 17-55mm:
  • better flare control
  • 2mm more on the wide end
  • 30mm more on the tele end
  • better IS (4 stops)

Some people argue the 15-85mm build quality is slightly better than the 17-55mm... but I'd say it's quite close.

Both lenses (17-55mm and 15-85mm) are very sharp, have good contrast, make use of Canon's true USM focus and benefit from IS (3 & 4 stops respectively). So they are great 'kit lenses', which each meeting differing photographer's needs.  (The 15-85mm meets my needs much better in a 'kit lens' - eg when I want a fast lens, it should be at least f/1.8).   8)

So while there might be a 17-55mm II sometime in the future, I expect that is probably around 4 or 5 years away at least..... In the meantime I think Canon will be producing lenses to complement it (eg more dedicated / primes lenses).

I also believe that it's very hard to compare an EF-S lens with an 'equivalent' EF (ie FF compatible) lens, due to the differing nature of focal length, DOF, etc - although f2.8 (on APS-C) will always let in more light than f4 (on FF) even if the background / blur isn't as affected as much. Then there is the whole argument about "difference in build quality between an L, the new prosumer lenses, older 'gold ring' lenses, etc, etc,".  I won't even go there...  ::)

Best wishes.... and happy photographing....    ;)


Lenses / Re: EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro vs. EF-S 60 f/2.8 Macro ?
« on: February 14, 2012, 05:05:04 PM »
The 100mm makes a good casual portrait / subject isolation lens for me too. The fast USM focus (especially on my 7D) is great. Some people say it focusses slow, but not mine!

I think the speed of the 100mm non-L is ok, too - but it takes about two seconds to focus completely from macro to infinity and back. In comparison to modern lenses (try the 17-55, 15-85, ...) this is slow like molasses.

Thanks Marsu42 for your reply to my comments above.  :)

You're right that it might take two seconds if the focus is at the MFD (1:1) focus setting and the (portrait) subject is eg 3 metres away (in a poor contrast setting) and it cycles from macro to infinity and back.  But what I mean is the focus is much much faster under 'normal focus composition' for portrait.

That is, if the lens' focus is set at 1 metre, and my (portrait) subject is 3 metres away, it will jump there in about a third to half a second (or less time in good contrast).  That's why I also find the minimal focal distance (MFD) focus limiting switch on the 100mm macro handy.

Some people have reported that even in situations like the above, the Canon 100mm macro USM nonL is slow and their 100mm L is much quicker... but certainly mine isn't slow.  My experience is that my 100mm USM lens's focus speed is very close to other Canon USM lenses when the focus is 'already in non macro settings'.

I have the Canon 15-85mm and the Canon 70-300mm L (perhaps my fastest focusing lenses) - and I also had the Canon 28-135mm and Canon 100-300mm (sold both these recently), and I'm very happy with the focussing speed and accuracy of all my Canon USM lenses.

On the other hand, I sold my Canon 50mm f/1.8 lens a few months ago - the main reason being the focus speed, accuracy and consistency were not up to my standards. I'm waiting for a true (full ring) USM prime from Canon in the 50mm - 60mm range, between f/1.4 - f2.

Cheers all, and thanks again Marsu42.  8)


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