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EOS Bodies / Re: A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]
« on: July 19, 2012, 01:12:30 PM »
can´t wait until i know more.

maybe canon will get a bit money from me this year.... last chance. :)

Lenses / Re: Question...To UV or not to UV...that IS the question!
« on: July 19, 2012, 12:09:09 PM »
this discussion is so old i can´t read about it anymore.   :P
all the same arguments over and over.

i mean honest.... why asking this question.. just google it!!
there are a billion threads about it and everything was said before.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 06:49:43 PM »
As for new DSLR buyers, I'm not sure that an entry level FF body would be a common choice.

i may have a different surrounding. :)

where i live most fathers or mothers would not buy a rebel camera.
as they would not buy anything below a middle class car, not even for their 18 year old sons and daughters.

it would look bad... especially in hard economic times.
i know it´s strange but that´s how it is.
but you are right that´s not the norm.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 06:23:37 PM »
So... if its gonna be the same sensor, same processor, same image quality as MKIII and a decent AF (comparing to MKII) I seriously do not understand what people complain about here. This is an entry level FF body, priced (lets assume the specs and price are correct) $1.5K less than MKIII, so something is gotta go in terms of body features. Plastic body - so what - this is not a toy like plastic (I had a Rebel and it did not feel like a toy to me). For $1.5K less you get the same sensor as in MKIII, plus a (the way it sounds) decent AF. What else do you expect from an entry level model? You want MKII for the metal body - go for it, buy it now while they have it new or wait a bit and get a cheap used once this new FF is announced. Do you seriously expect a lot more from an entry level FF considering that even with these specs it will hurt MKIII sales. Read the forums and see how many people are sitting on the fence for a less expensive FF, who do not want MKII with its crippled AF and who do not think they can justify $3500- $3700 for MKIII.  Some of these folks are still potential MKIII buyers - maybe not now, but in a year or so.

Lots of comparison with MKII. Why do you judge these new FF specs based on an assumption that this is supposed to be an upgrade from MKII?  MKII was never positioned as an entry level FF. If you think the new sensor and AF are not worth the upgrade and you prefer to have MKII with metal body - go for it.  But coming from 7D I do not want to compromise on AF. Not to that extent.

If Canon can give us MKIII less metal body, some fps, dual card slots, weathersealing and $1.5K off the price - I'm in.

the choice is a bit more complicated then 5D MK2 or MK3.... there is the D600 too.

for upgrader it´s maybe no real choice.. but let´s not forget the new DSLR customers.
and my fear is canon will lose many of them to nikon.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 06:15:15 PM »
Apologies. I am not aware of specs regarding Nikon cameras. If they have weather sealed a plastic body, then I would certainly hope that Canon follows suite. It's not that I'm a Canon fanboy for not following Nikon cameras; but just that I have no place in my budget to even begin considering to purchase a Nikon camera, build a lens collection, and incorporate it into my shooting.

it´s just a rumor yet .. but i see no reason why it should not be possible.
it would reduce the cost and a metal alloy is not needed... prefered yes. :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 05:57:35 PM »
the one thing is weather sealing.. the other a magnesium alloy.

sure weather sealing would be nice.. but you can have that without a metal body.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 05:37:47 PM »
The rumored specs have me a bit confused...

For $2000 you get:

22mp 5D3 sensor?

19 point AF - Ok, this sounds reasonable.

4fps - Makes sense.

ISO 100-51200 - Taking into consideration that this camera will have a 5D3 sensor; wouldn't this mean that ISO performance at ISO 51200 would be the same as 5D3? Canon just eliminated ISO 102400... but 102400 is unusable anyway... Logic tells me that this new entry level FF camera will not perform the same as a 5D3... but then that would mean that Canon just de-tuned the heck out of the 5D3 sensor and it's capabilities... Lose money lol

3"LCD - Ok

Smaller than 5D Mark II - If it's smaller, than does this mean that there is no quick reference display on the top of the body? Or does this simply mean that it may be "slightly" smaller than a 5D2? Maybe the size of a 60D? In which case, it being the size of a 60D is pretty irrelevant information since it's not that much smaller than a 5D2...

More plastic than metal in the construction - So this camera will be packed with what sounds like great performance features but will be built like a toy?

until here it´s ok.. but then it´s nonsense.. try to break such a "toy" camera.
i have abused my cheap 550D in every way except droping/exposing it into water.

i can tell you it´s hard to break such a "toy".

my 5D MK2 sure feels better.. but i have NO reservation to abuse my 550D under hard conditions. i dropped it a few times. thank god with no lens attached.

if it does not drop onto the LCD (and that would kill a 5D MK3 display too) you can drop it from 3m above without a problem.

all that will happen is that maybe the pop up flash will come out and a few scratches.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 05:14:56 PM »

So yeah, they should make and launch a better sensor as soon as posible.

for me this is like back then when microsoft released VISTA.. just wait for win7.   :D

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 04:29:19 PM »
Does majority of users need those extra features ?

great and why don´t we just all buy a used 5D... i think it´s good enough for most here.


that is NO real argument.. no matter how often it is repeated.

i think i don´t need most of the new features the 5D MK3 offers... not for the price tag.
that is why i stick to my 5D MK2 for a while.

but if canon wants my money they have to give me more for my money.
more then this new entry level FF camera. that´s all im saying

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 04:05:15 PM »
looks like he has accepted that already but some here won´t let him have his own opinion.  ::)

No. Having an opinion and excessive complaining about the same thing are two different things. I also seem to recall him getting nasty with Brian for voicing HIS opinion.  ::) ::)

well his opinion is that everyone should stop posting about nikon here.

I have no problem with people moving to Nikon. However I do think that the constant putting down of Canon to justify moving to Nikon with so called 'facts' to justify their move is not appropriate on a Canon Rumours forum. I dont logon to this forum to join in with speculation/rumours about Nikon kit.

This site is for users interested in Canon equipment, not for people to spread the word about how good Nikon a camera in comparison to Canon's camera - especially one that is only rumoured.

I think in this case the best option would have been to post this thread on a more general photographic forum

If I want to read about Nikon I go to Nikon Rumours. I dont come to Canon Rumours to listen to the Nikon Fanboys  tell me what a poor job Canon are doing.

Well there are two trolls who have come out of the closet. Go back to NR lads

and so on.. lots more posted in the third party forum that is exactly made for such discussions.   ::)

you were talking about "excessive complaining" ?   ;)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 02:25:44 PM »
So you're happy to accept that the 5Dm3 is better for people who shoot video
...and for those who shoot weddings
...and those who shoot events
...and those who shoot sports
...and of course anyone who does any of the above and studio or landscape work

he wrote: and you have to understand the different needs.

i mean it´s pretty clear that he accepts that, or not?

And if you can't wait for it then buy a D800 or go MF both will do what you do better than a 5Dm3.

i think many here have put a lot of money in a CANON SYSTEM.
so we ask canon to deliver.... not nikon.

and i think it is only human that we want the best, not only good enough.
competition is in our DNA.. olympics 2012? :)

The 5dm3 isn't any worse, and it adds a lot in other areas. If those other areas don't interest you then fine, just accept that it isn't the right tool for you and get on with your life.

Quote from: astro
but we are individuals here, with individual needs

looks like he has accepted that already but some here won´t let him have his own opinion.  ::)

I'm a bit suprised at those saying the 5D MK III sensor is the same as the 5D MK II sensor, when anyone who owns one and pushes the ISO up can see a dramatic difference.
Sure, if you shoot in a studio with good lighting at ISO 100, there is no need for capability you do not use, but that does not mean the sensors are the same.  I took dark frames from my 5D MK III when I got it and compared them to my 5D MK II, 1D MK IV, and they were worlds better.  A nice smooth dark frame that was not covered with red dots and banding.  At +3 EV, the MK III was black while the MK II  and 1D MK IV looked horrible.
Its a big advance in sensor technology, with all new on chip electronics, 8 channel readout.  Sure, its the same basic technology as the MK II, the D800, and every CMOS digital sensor ever made, So far, they all use silicon.

is that because of sensor or A/D converter design?

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 01:38:49 PM »
Umm.... I would be really suprised when one would choose Canon New Entry Level over Nikon D600 (as if reported specs of both cameras are correct) even if at the same price.  There is one exception is that that person has too many Canon lens (ooopsss).

if a newbie wants to buy into the DSLR world and asks me what to buy .. and the specs are true.. my unbiased advice.. -> buy the D600.

sorry canon... but on paper the D600 looks better.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 01:28:36 PM »
Quote from: Mt Spokane Photography link=topic=8046.msg146815#msg146815

As to the sensor, you only need take a dark frame from each and boost it 3 EV in processing to see the difference.

but then you should include the new sony sensor in the D800 also. ;)

i still see some issues with the 5D MK3 sensor, cross-hatch banding, they have not 100% fixed.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Next Full Frame Camera [CR2]
« on: July 16, 2012, 01:21:40 PM »
the D600 seems to be BIT FOR BIT the better camera and the better deal.

2012 is sure not canons year. :(

Exactly my thoughts. I'm starting to think my next camera might actually be a Nikon if this trend keeps up. I'm going to wait until/if they announce the 7D mark2 before I make any decisions though. Right now Nikon simply gives better specs for less money. I'm not THAT invested in lenses yet so I guess I'll have to see.

Exactly. This just seems like a bad idea (and a bad year) all around for Canon. Why would anyone buy this camera when they could have a weather sealed 5D Mark II or possibly the new Nikon D600. It just seems like Canon is just sleeping through 2012.

did you not read what others wrote?

canon is doing the perfect thing!
this new camera is a perfect. 
it´s way better then the D600 (ok if not then it´s at least a canon and you can use your L glas).

don´t write such stuff or you get labeld an amateur with no experience....


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