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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D Specs [CR2.5]

« on: May 17, 2012, 02:39:09 PM »

If the t4i is announced in June, how long will it take for the body to become available in stores in the US?

I'd doubt you would have one in your hands by June 11th, unless they announced it June 1st or sooner. With the rebel line, they are usually available within the month of its announcement (unlike say, the 1DX), but, Canon's production may be slow enough that that is not true this time. They might also have held off the announcement until they had enough stock to meet initial demand.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D Specs [CR2.5]

« on: May 17, 2012, 02:36:45 PM »

The GH2 would be cool, except I have too many Canon lenses. Plus, I'm not crazy about GH2 color and the 2x crop. Canon has much better Color science and aesthetic IMO, but that's entirely subjective.

Yeah, I hear you about the color. I shoot the stuff I can on my 60D, and when I need slow-motion or autofocus, I use my TM700. The color definitely isn't as nice (kind of blue/grey).

I kind of want one anyway though, because the resolution is so crazy good...I feel like I'd be willing to take my chances in post with cleaning up the color some just to get that resolution

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D Specs [CR2.5]

« on: May 17, 2012, 02:01:59 PM »

Probably going to pick up a Rebel as a cheap video B-Cam to my soon-to-be Sony FS since I have too many canon lenses.

I just hope that the Rebel actually has true HD (not the soft up-res'd stuff). That and 1080p 60fps slow motion is all I ask for. But since the 5D3 doesn't have either of those, I'm not holding my breath.

Sounds like you want a hacked GH2. You'll get your resolution (comparable with your FS, etc), and you'll get 1080/60. Not to mention it will open up the ability to use FD lenses as well

edit: some examples, http://www.eoshd.com/content/6681/shootout-reveals-panasonic-gh2-resolution-at-canon-c300-level

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D Specs [CR2.5]

« on: May 17, 2012, 01:58:37 PM »

No more manual focus on video? I'm interested

Here's what you'll get

https://vimeo.com/23745431

Note that that is shot with probably f/11 or higher, so it doesn't even have much focus hunting to do. But, it still sounds awful and isn't that impressive. Take a shot with lower light and an aperture more like f/4, and its pretty unusable

https://vimeo.com/23943236

If Canon had solved those issues in some brilliant or ingenious way, they'd have put it in the 5dIII. That they are just leaving it to the T4i tells me all I need to know....it would have made pros angry since its not very good.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T4i/650D Specs [CR2.5]

« on: May 17, 2012, 01:42:19 PM »

Are the two incompatible? Why does touch screen mean no swivel LCD?

My XA-10's at work are a swivel screen that is entirely touch screen, so not only are they compatible, Canon already has the technology for it in a consumer level package. I imagine their Vixia stuff has it too

Sony is keeping a 16 mp sensor in their new Nex-F3 and A37. Perhaps both have determined that the marketing benefit of ever-higher megapixels has reached the point of diminishing returns.

Probably, especially because at the pixel density, its the equivalent of a pretty high MP body on full-frame. They'd lose too much low-light ability if they went to 22, 24, etc, and wouldn't really be gaining much. It's probably only Sony's sensor tech that allows them to last at 24mp.

The autofocus is going to be 10 times more usable. sounds like a great camera and a perfect backup for a 7d.

And you know this how? Every SLR with "autofocus" that I've seen is a joke...manual focus is much better there. Heck, even the Sony SLT auto-focus isn't that great, and it has some major advantages in that regard over a DSLR.

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EOS Bodies / Re: NEED HELP W/LENSES: What should I get next...?

« on: May 17, 2012, 12:18:45 PM »

Given the fact that you only have 1 good lens, I'dd suggest to expand your focal range first before going into "specialty lenses". More range will increase your flexibility and can help you further personalize your photography. Once you've experience the whole spectrum of focal ranges, you'll probably know where your want to expand your photography further (portraits --> 85 L; landscapes --> 17 TS; macro; etc.)

1) 16-35
2) 70-200

Good luck, you'll enjoy any of these lenses!

I agree with this, though, I'd get the 70-200 before the 16-35, since the 16-24 range isn't really neccessary for wedding or portraiture, and 24 is wide enough for most landscapes.

Actually, what may work best is keeping the 24-105 for now, complimenting it with the 70-200. And then, at the next 8 month period, you can sell the 24-105 and decide exactly which 2 lenses you need. They'll probably be the 16-35 and a prime, but, it might be a T/S lens or a macro. For your purposes though, you'll definitely want something in that 70-200 range....the other ranges will depend on how much you do of each type of photography.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like 8 or maybe even 10 new Canon cameras in 2012!

« on: May 16, 2012, 04:19:51 PM »

OTOH, it could also use the existing mount system and they can intro some trendy new pancake primes and short zooms to go with it. APS-C size sensor makes most sense to start but I guess we'll see.

Well, they did have rumors about a 40mm pancake lens being developed, and there were also rumors of some other lenses for mirrorless.

It'd be a shame if they aren't cross-compatible with EF, cause it'd be a nice way to get some cheap, small lenses that Canon doesn't seem to really make anymore.

Wouldn't it technically be three cameras? The T4I..the 650D...and then some mirrorless camera?

T4i and 650D are the same thing (much like the T3i/600D, T2i/550D, etc). One is named for the US market, the other for foreign markets. Apparently too many numbers confuse us Americans.

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Lenses / Re: 4K to spend and I don't know what to do with it!!!

« on: May 15, 2012, 05:13:42 PM »

Also I didn't know the 16-35 was considered a specialty lens.  I heard alot of great reviews about getting good shots in tight spots when your inside and can't get the distance needed to frame properly.  What do you guys thinK?

It's specialty depending on your style. On a crop body it'd actually be a pretty decent general zoom...but that's only because of the crop factor cutting out the main area of distortion on the edges.

On full frame, the distortion at the wide end means you have to be very careful about where you place your subjects. Anything in the edges and you get some really fat looking people...not so good. And so unless you plan to use the 16-24 range a lot, it makes more sense to go another way.

Really depends a lot on your style. If you're used to zooms, a complete change to prime will take some adjustment that might be tough during wedding season

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Lenses / Re: 4K to spend and I don't know what to do with it!!!

« on: May 15, 2012, 03:21:28 PM »

Also, in terms of places to shop for equipment, I've had good luck on FredMiranda.

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Lenses / Re: 4K to spend and I don't know what to do with it!!!

« on: May 15, 2012, 03:01:36 PM »

What I would do is consider selling the 60D with your lenses and talking to a local store about bundling a 5D mark II with a 24-70 and pick up a used 550D (same sensor as the 60D) for a back-up. A 5D body with a used lens is something to consider to save.

I'm not sure the turnaround on that conversion is really worth the, what, $200 you'll get from it. The 550D body feels like crap in your hand; which is a big deal if you'll be holding it for several hours at a time. Then we can talk about battery life (nearly 3x as long with the 60D and the compatibility of 60D batteries with the 5D and 7D), how easy the controls are to work (much easier on a 60D, though not as good as the 5D/7D); not to mention AF and burst rate. There are other smaller things; but the ones listed above are reason enough not to downgrade.

I'd sell the 18-135 ($200), unless you see yourself using it for travel, etc. Then get yourself a 5DmarkII to complement your 60D ($1500 through Canon Loyalty Program)...then I'd consider where you are shooting those 3 weddings. If they are outdoor weddings, I'd get the 70-200 f/4 IS and mount on the 60D($1000ish used), and a 24-70 f/2.8 ($1000). If they are indoor weddings, then you want to go more primes for low-light handling. Either way, you should have leftover money for another flash, even if it's another 430ex.

Lots of ways you could go...but, Id say going the full-frame low-light handling route would be the most ideal to complement the 60D. And going 5DII over 5DIII allows you a lot more room for new glass. Then maybe next wedding season you'll upgrade the 60D to something else

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EOS Bodies / Re: Lower Price Full Frame Camera [CR1]

« on: May 14, 2012, 04:02:18 PM »

So essentially it will be the 5d2?  I'm not sure why they don't just drop the price of the 5d2.

They did, they dropped the MSRP from $2499 to $2199...it just happened to coincide with the time prices normally rise. That said, there have been a variety of deals where its been <$2k.

And they dropped it fairly significantly in their refurb store...with Canon Loyalty, a refurb 5D comes out to $1500ish. Can't really get any cheaper: http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/subCategory_10051_10051_-1_29252#

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is video raising cost of bodies? Is it wasted for many shooters?

« on: May 14, 2012, 01:26:00 PM »

In the current model stills photographers are actually subsidizing commercial video use and get cameras that are not optimized for still photography but for video use.

Consider all the upgrades that differentiate the 5dII from the 5dIII and tell me which were critical to videographers...and which were critical to a stills shooter. You'd really have to be insane to say its not optimized for stills, since the only video specific upgrade is the choice of video codecs.

6fps, 61pt AF, a processor dedicated to AF, hell, even the MP aren't what a videographer would demand normally (more or less would be more ideal). It has no XLR inputs, it has no ND filters, no focus peaking, no zebras, I could go on and on. If the 5DIII was an 8MP camera that did 4k video (like Sony's FS-700), you might have a point.

If you want Canon to charge double for a video specific camera...they did. Look at all the cine cameras Canon just put out. The 1D-C literally costs double the 1D-X

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is video raising cost of bodies? Is it wasted for many shooters?

« on: May 14, 2012, 01:09:09 PM »

For high-end bodies (5 and up) it's possible that high-quality video increases price through consumer demand.  If so, there's nothing to be done but vote with your wallet.

For consumer-level bodies (7D, XXd and below) video is a requirement of this market segment, but the quality is not high enough to pull in serious video enthusiasts, so body price is not affected.

I'd say you nailed it...though, I think the 7D might fall into category 1 simply because it hits a market that wasn't really covered in any way (action sports). To get a weather-proofed body that is very portable with great IQ; it basically didn't exist. Now they have 7D's (and GoPro's), and its proliferated that market a good deal.

But that is less because of the IQ, it's more for the build quality in such an affordable camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A cheaper FF body - anytime soon?

« on: May 14, 2012, 01:03:44 PM »

Once the D600 arrives, Nikon will have a current, modern, camera with all of the current bells and whistles. The 5D2 will be missing those and when you draw up the list of features to compare (including 24 vs 21 MP), you'll never fall on the side of the 5D2.

24MP sure does sound awfully similar to what every Sony camera is rolling with right now...I wouldnt be so certain you are getting the newest sensor tech they have.

I'll also be curious to see what that does to D800 sales when it comes out. For wedding shooters, I'm not sure they'd have a reason to stick D800 over D600. Likewise for people upgrading from their D3100/D5100/etc...a D600 will seem great in comparison. It'd be funny to see them cannibalize the market for their media darling so quickly

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EOS Bodies / Re: A cheaper FF body - anytime soon?

« on: May 14, 2012, 12:56:30 PM »

The 5d2 price isn't dropping

Except for, you know, the fact that it did drop in Canon's store ($1759 refurb), and that through Canon Loyalty, you can get a 5DII for $1400ish+ tax. I've seen the used market drop off lately...on sites like Fred Miranda, it's rare to see even a like new body go for more than $1800. Multiple times the 5dII and 24-104 has gone for $2400ish on Ebay Daily Deals.

I'm also very interested to see what Canon does after the d800 public relations disaster

I don't get this mentality...that its a huge PR disaster. Getting crushed in specs in the Rebel level...sure. At the $3000 price mark, most of the buyers have enough sense to check more than a few specs. The only way it'd be a PR disaster for Canon is if the 5dIII was terrible...significantly worse than the 5DII while charging a premium and all the major pro shooters abandoned them for Nikon. THAT'S a disaster. But, since that hasn't happened (and won't), the only way its a slight disaster for Canon is if they get crushed in sales. And since we won't even be able to guess at that side for another 6+ months, let's hold off on that silly hype.

As for the entry level full-frame, I'd imagine its a ways off. Maybe Photokina, but probably more likely it's a next spring kind of thing. The 5DII still sells well, they've got manufacturing figured out for it...there's no rush. The 5DII is basically already the entry level full-frame offering, if $1500-1800 isn't cheap enough, then no camera will satisfy that market