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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Some questions about 650D, Help me!!!
« on: June 14, 2012, 02:31:31 PM »
1, Do the 9 cross points have a big difference compare to 600d?
It depends what you are shooting. What it will help do is lock focus faster, and its useful for shots where things are moving (people, cars, animals, etc), since it has more points to differentiate what is what.

If you were using a 600D right now, you'd probably notice it gets focus correct a little more often; but it's not what I would call a big difference (the 600D v 7D or 5dIII AF would be a BIG difference). But, as features go, it's one of the more useful areas to have an upgrade in, since the AF is one of the biggest elements that decides whether or not you get the shot.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« on: June 14, 2012, 02:24:34 PM »
But the D600 is potentially a game changer - a FF camera for not much more than the high-end APS-C which an entry-level APS-C consumer might consider as an upgrade.
Yep, if the spec list for the D600 is even close to accurate (24mp, 39pt AF, 6fps...make 2 of those 3 correct and its crazy), and its priced at or below $2000, Canon will have to respond or lose a huge chunk of users. Because while I'd love full-frame, the 5dII lacks some of the things Id want for the occasional action/nature shooting I do. But, that's where my next body upgrade will be; into a full-frame with better AF, or into the 7dII with great specs...and the same is true for many other xxxD and xxD users. If the only option I have is to go up to a 5dIII, then I'd have to look elsewhere at some point

The D800 v 5dIII argument won't even cost Canon .1% of their market share, since its a relatively small base anyway. Being wrong about consumer (T4i, etc) and prosumer (60D/5dII) level cameras is where they lose percentages.

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Couldn't Canon make a mirrorless camera with EF mount and a shorter flange distance?

Lenses for the mirrorless camera would not focus on other cameras with EF mount, so some special designation like EF-ML would be required, but regular EF & EF-S lenses would mount using an extension tube with contacts.
But why make it EF mount at all then, since an EF adapter is basically just an extension tube. I mean, look at the patent, it's an extension tube with electrical contacts



The only reason to make it EF mount would be so people could use EF lenses right away with no adapter...once you add anything between the lens and the camera, you might as well optimize it for the target market (in this case, small camera with small flange distance). If the EF-ML lenses don't work on DSLR's anyway, there is no reason to build them around an existing idea, especially if something completely new is simpler and smaller


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Why not just get the new T4i????
Cause you can get the 60D cheaper, and because part of taking pictures is holding the camera. If you've held a Rebel and the 60D, you'll feel a huge difference.

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Thanks for the help everyone!  I used to own an xsi but had to sell it.  I still consider myself a newbie to dslr's though.  Was contemplating the t4i but after a bit of research on the net and then playing with the 60d at best buy...the 60d just felt better compared to the rebels.  That 50mm f1.8 lens is nice...I like it and will order it also.  What other lens should I pick up?  Was gonna get the kit with the 18-200mm lens but not anymore.  Seems like the 18-135mm is a better choice so I might go with that.  Or I'll just pick up the body only and get whatever lens you all recommend.  I have about $1500 to start off with.
My suggestion, go to the Canon Loyalty program. A refurbished 60D body is $640+tax...and they also let you take 20% off one of their refurb lenses (except L glass). You could use that on one of the 50mm lenses (f/1.8 or f/1.4), or the 100mm Macro if you'd want that. The 18-135 can be had for $250ish on Ebay or Craigslist, usually a decent amount of people selling them out of their kit. You could probably get the 60D, 18-135, 50 f/1,8 and the macro all for your $1500 price point.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« on: June 13, 2012, 12:31:09 PM »
Interesting points, Dilbert but it still feels to me like a lot of work and cost to Canon to fill an awkward gap in the line up that perhaps doesn't really need filling... or at least may disappear in a year or so when the 5D3 price starts to drop or the 7D2 comes up from the rear.

Although the 5D2 is getting on a bit the IQ does still fits between the 7D and 5D3. Just my thoughts anyway and you're of course entitled to your own. I do however think compatibility with the latest accessories is a valid reason to end the line... or at least push out a firmware update.
Here's the thing...the cheaper the camera gets, the less the consumer will have researched little details, and the more they'll want the newest thing. They are also the lifeblood of companies, because hooking someone in at the entry level is how you get them upgrading and sticking with the company.

So, if Nikon releases a D600 with something pretty close to the reported specs at say $2000ish, then the 5dII market is gonna dry up fast. I can't imagine the person who would want a Ti level auto-focus over even the 7D autofocus, or a 4yr old sensor vs a brand new sensor. They'd want it even less if the cost is <$2000. And an entry-level full-frame is where you hook your high ticket buyers. You go full-frame, you start buying L glass...

The D800/5dIII thing won't affect Canon, but not having an answer to a D600 would.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will there be a 7d2 at all?
« on: June 12, 2012, 05:58:15 PM »
it may quickly turn into a losing strategy when next gen Nikons hammer Canon DSLRs also in video capabilities.
Good luck getting that to happen...gonna be awful tough for Nikon to make those cameras without the Sony sensor. And I can't see Sony being pumped about Nikon releasing an affordable killer video DLSR that cuts into the profits on their video cameras.

Have you seen the "uncompressed" video out from the D800? It looked pretty bad when people tried to post-process it.

Anyway, back on topic, I see a 7dII coming out next spring, and the sensor will reflect whatever the 70D gets (18mp, 22mp, etc). The AF will be an APS-C version of the 61pt AF (so probably 40ish), and the FPS will reflect what Dual Digic V can do (8-10fps). So, its a mix of incremental changes (passing down elements Canon already has), but I think many 7D users would be happy with the upgrades as a whole. Probably priced a little higher than the 7D is now, but still <$2k.

I think Canon remembers that their enthusiast market isn't as deep-pocketed as their pro's. And they also have less investment in their system, so making them mad loses them a customer base

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« on: June 12, 2012, 05:49:06 PM »
How about a FF entry with no Video, you know to keep the price down, something for the purist photographers for a changeā€¦. 650D is good enough for those wanting to do video
they can disable the features sure.. but that would not safe them a cent (*).
it would only make the video models more expensive but not the crippled ones cheaper.

(*) ok a few cents maybe, for the mics as an example.
As was mentioned, you wouldn't save money that way. Simple supply and demand really. If 25% of users want video, than the non-video DSLR either has to be 25% cheaper to make (its firmware already designed and a few hardware parts, so, not likely), or they have to charge 25% more for it to break even. And so on if the percentage is higher than 25%. Oh, and as an owner, it'd probably be harder to re-sell to upgrade since your market would be smaller as well.

If memory serves me, there was a poll on this forum, and it wasn't until about the 30% cheaper price point that people were willing to give up video functions in their DSLR's. So, I'd say they probably aren't going away.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4 More DSLRs Coming in 2012? [CR2]
« on: June 12, 2012, 05:43:07 PM »
What about a boring old replacement for the 1100D? Not very sexy, but certainly possible, especially if it's in Q4
Probably too soon for that, the T3 is only a little over a year old. The XS went for nearly 3 years before getting replaced.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: My D800 Review
« on: June 12, 2012, 05:37:55 PM »
Over at Luminous Landscape, they went with the Tamron 70-300 VC and the Sigma 120-300/2.8.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/nikon_d800__e_initial_impressions.shtml
The Sigma I can believe...the Tamron 70-300? That I think would be a big mistake. It produced decent results on a crop camera (my 60D), but on a 36mp full-frame, I can't imagine it holding up. Especially not at the long end.

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Lenses / Re: Recommendations for a fast sub-28mm lens for ~$1k?
« on: June 12, 2012, 12:35:32 PM »
I'd say get a flash, and then that opens up your options for lenses. For example, the 430exII flash is like, $250, that gives you $750 to either get 2 primes or 1 good zoom that covers that range. Because any f/2.8 lens, indoors, won't get you the shutter speeds you need to shoot anything other than people standing still (unless you go ISO1600+).

I just shot my friends wedding this past weekend, so there were multiple indoor rooms with only sunlight from outside helping lighting. Without flash, I'd have been shooting at 1/30th shutter speeds and ditching 90% of the photos. With the flash, I was shooting at 1/160th and 1/200th, which means I keep 90% of the photos. And this includes the 50mm f/1.4 I shot with, I was lucky if I got 1/80th shutter speeds at ISO800, and that was only when pointing at the windows. And if you're indoors, its really easy to bounce the flash to create nice lighting.

Otherwise, I'd say consider the Rokinon/Samyang lenses that do f/1.4 if you can accept MF, if not, then I'd say your options are the Sigma wide-angle primes (20mm, 24mm, both f/1.8) or the Canon 28mm f/1.8. I think the Tokina will be too wide for general use.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« on: June 08, 2012, 02:25:00 PM »
What is Magic Lantern? I've only skimmed a few sites and its wiki, but I gather that it adds some significant video features?
Yeah, focus peaking is nice (allows you to see what is in focus), as are some of the other add-ons. It does some nice stuff for photos too. If you've got a Ti camera, it allows you to use the multiples of 160 for video. It allows you to control ISO in 1/3 steps, which is the only way you can use ISO 160, 320, and 640.

You can also control the video quality, you can raise the bit-rate (higher quality) or lower it (allowing you to record longer). There are a million other features, but those are the big ones I've used

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So, what will a 7DII be like? Are these hints of a probable change towards FF or aps-h?
Haha, no. They are hints that the 7D could use some of the features they added...seeing as lesser cameras (60D) had some of these features and it didn't.

And the 7D will not become full-frame. If you want a full-frame version of the 7D, get the 5dIII, cause that's what it is.

I wonder if this means a delay in the release of the 7DII.
I'd say that is what it means the most. That the 7dII definitely isn't right around the corner, or they'd have just saved this for that release.

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Lenses / Re: The Shorty Forty MTF Chart Comparison
« on: June 08, 2012, 11:25:06 AM »
side by side + above .8 = I'll take one
Well, and on APS-C, the corners seem like they could still be fairly sharp. By the MTF chart, its stronger than the 50mm f/1,8 until the very edge of an APS-C sensor

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EOS Bodies / Re: Used 60D or new 650D/T4i?
« on: June 08, 2012, 10:30:50 AM »
The T4i is much more friendly for video users with auto AF.  The T4i is basically a combined HD camcorder and a SLR, which is a good value and it reduces the amount of gear you'd need to do both tasks.
We assume this. Has anyone posted video of the T4i auto-focus? Cause it could be crap for all we know.

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Battery life is so much better for SLRs compared to P&S.  If that concerns you, get a spare or two.
Or get the 60D, where you get 3x the battery life. For an entire weekend backpacking trip, you'll never need to change batteries with a 60D.

As was mentioned, the 60D still has a lot of nice elements over the T4i, and Magic Lantern, which is useful for its focus peaking, etc when trying to use the AF. You can get the body for $640+tax from the Canon Loyalty Program, and I believe the 18-135 kit is like $830+tax. Like you said, new, they are about the same price as the T4i, and just from the ergonomics alone I think its worth the upgrade.

I believe Canon Loyalty is also letting you add an extra lens at 20% off, so you can look through and see if there are others you'd want. I think most of the L lenses are excluded. http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/subCategory_10051_10051_-1_22751?WT.mc_id=C126149#

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