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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D vs 5D MKII (Focusing?)

« on: December 01, 2012, 11:05:21 AM »

As I wrote, that is my personal opinion. I took some shots. Not hundreds, just some.
I focused on high contrasted things, like an advertisement of nikon ( :-) ) and on other, more low contrasting things. In my opinion the AF of the 5D3 was as fast as the 6Ds. (subjectively!). And it had its problem like the 5D3s on focussiong on an plane, lowcontrasted thing. Even in changing the AF field manually ( that the seller did not like, when i performed this)
 And, for me, the AF-points are too much horizontally orientated.

The Nikonians there told me, that the 6D is just "a shot out of the hip to react on their overwhelming camera"

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D vs 5D MKII (Focusing?)

« on: November 30, 2012, 10:59:52 AM »

I had it in my hands today at an exhibition today in an city in the Alps.
My personal opinion:
-AF works well, gets sharp even when there is not much light. But it had also troubles when there is not much contrast. (Only the center AF got it. It was focussing 2 times near and far, then it got it correctly, as I could see). The live view was not the hit, slow... And the AF is not very fast. I tried the 5D3 next to it. it was much faster.
And: The AF fields are more horicontally orientated. So, if you try to focus on something that is higher than the middle of the picture, in landscape  orientation it is difficult to get it focused.

Got some shots. For me the camera was not exiting. (But it is my personal view)

But the most persons were interested in Nikon. Where Nikon presented the D600 und D800 everybody was interrested. And the D600 is really a good camera. Subjective as fast as the 5D3, very good image quality. The 5D3 shots were to much saturated, the D600 more naturally. And it was very fast in focussing and saving the pictures to the cards.

It is a pity that the 6D is more than 500€ more expensive than the D600. I would like the D600 if there would be an "Canon" sign on it

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D manual is ready to download

« on: November 28, 2012, 12:51:58 PM »

Are the 6D AF field better than the 9 of the 60D?

Sadly, no - the 6d has no real cross sensor _at_all_, even the center one is a "hybrid" type like on the 5d2 and the other ones are non-cross, too. The second difference is that the af spread on full frame is smaller than on a crop sensor. That doesn't mean that the 6d has to be bad at af esp. with the center point - but we need in-depth real world reviews.

PS: I doubt the non-wifi version will be available in Germany - the combined wifi/gps chip probably costs about €1 as a part and it's more likely the cut-down version is for countries that don't allow radio - that's why there is a non-radio version of the 600rt flash, too.

I know what you mean. I just told, what I was told by my dealer, where I buy my equipment for more then 25 years. Let us see. Maybe Canon tries to answer the 1650€ Euros of the D600.

You are right, an in depth review is necessary to see, if the 6D´s AF ist fast. Maybe it is the best to wait for an 7D MKII or something else. But I do not understand, why they reduce the number of the cross type sensors. What is the technical reason for it? There must be one. I do not think that Canon puts a camera on the market that suffers from an old-fashioned AF

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EOS Bodies / Re: When will we have a full frame body below $1,000?

« on: November 28, 2012, 07:08:28 AM »

is about $350-$450 max.  The APS-C sensors likely now cost $20 to make.

You're quite misinformed if you think sensors are that cheap. Think $1k for full frame and $100-200 for APS-C. Again, it's REALLY HARD to make huge chips with no imperfections. A single dust speck or mistimed/mismeasured fabrication step is much more expensive for a full frame process where only a few chips fit on a wafer than on APS-C, which fit many more. Every possible cost is squared and then some when building big chips.

I am not mis-informed, I have a ton of experience in electronics manufacturing and the costs to do so.
Canon has improved processes and switched to 12 in wafers which, along with improved high resistivity wafer manufacturing process technology has vastly improved the yield. Its why the cost of FF bodies has dropped.
However, you only need to work backward from the selling price to become aware that the direct cost to manufacture a Camera is far less than the selling cost.
The direct cost is the actual cost of the parts, and the labor to assemble them.
 
Selling Price:
less Rebates
less Dealer markup
Less Canon North America  Profit
Less Canon Japan Profit
Less Canon Warehousing / Inventory Costs including wages, taxes, facility cost, etc
Less a allowance for Service (Canon Repair facilty & warranty Costs)
Less Losses for broken, damaged, stolen items
Less insurance, both liability and catastrophic damage insurance
less shipping costs
Less Advertising Costs
Less Amortized Tooling Costs
Less R&D
Less amortized Development costs
 
I'm only roughly touching some of the costs of doing business beyone what it actually takes to assemble a product, which is why the final selling price tends to be a multiple of the actual direct manufacturing cost.

+1
I got the same information. FF sensors are very expensive, some hundred $.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D manual is ready to download

« on: November 28, 2012, 06:18:31 AM »

I'm pretty sure that they will have 2 versions on the camera in countries that the wireless spectrums used are not a) available or b) legal for consumer product use.  I think the same has been talked about already for the rt-600 flash.

This is what we think in Europe too, especial the others not me! I hope the 6Dn will come to us and you too, because i don´t ned gps and wlan and dont want to pay for that. 

I phoned with a big dealer in Munich some minutes ago. The basic version of the 6D will be available "soon" (But he could not say what the basic version is). Maybe before christmas. But no guarantee. The version without the GPS and WLAN will be in the "range of the D600" from Nikon.

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EOS Bodies / AF-Quality of 6D

« on: November 28, 2012, 06:07:45 AM »

Much thanks. I see, that @ the AF specifications there will be EV -3 available. But as I read, there will only be 11 AF fields, of which only the center field will be a full cross sensor. The others will react on "vertical lines".
My 60D has 9 cross senors. Whats the difference in between? Are the 6D AF field better than the 9 of the 60D?

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Lenses / Re: PROBLEM: AF Does not work!!

« on: November 25, 2012, 04:07:51 PM »

Much thanks to all of your replies!

I bought an Kenko PRO 300 AF DGX 1.4X teleconverter for my Canon 100-400L to use with my 60D. But the AF does only work manually! No automatic AF. I tried it on my 70-200, 100mm, and so on. but the AF does not work.
Even not on my wifes 7D.

Should I give it back? Or do I make something wrong?

With an f/2.8 or f/4 lens, it will be f/4 or f/5.6 with the TC, and that combo should AF on any body.

I bought it, because I heard that this converter let the AF work on the 100-400L (aperture of 8 ).
My origrinal 1.4x  Canon converter does only work on my Eos 1V and 3.  You know the problem-

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Lenses / PROBLEM: AF Does not work!!

« on: November 25, 2012, 10:58:50 AM »

Much thanks to all of your replies!

I bought an Kenko PRO 300 AF DGX 1.4X teleconverter for my Canon 100-400L to use with my 60D. But the AF does only work manually! No automatic AF. I tried it on my 70-200, 100mm, and so on. but the AF does not work.
Even not on my wifes 7D.

Should I give it back? Or do I make something wrong?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D Mk II

« on: October 26, 2012, 06:35:57 AM »

I was told by an optican that the aim of Canon was to fast create an Camera as an competitor to the D600. The D600 was better than thought, so they hurried up. The AF System at low light should have been an outstanding new feature, but Canon could manage  this system only with a few AF fields. But this feature will get better in the next years with some new innovations.

I personally think, that this colud be true. The person is an specialist for lenses.

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Lenses / Kenko TC - 2 models - which one to buy?

« on: October 14, 2012, 02:53:01 AM »

As read in the lens rumor forum, with an kenko TC the AF is working on an 100-400L. But which Kenko to buy?


Kenko 1,4x Teleplus Pro 300 or the MC4 AF 1.4 DGX?

What ist the difference in between them?


German Test on the Converters: http://www.traumflieger.de/desktop/telekonverter/konvertertest2.php

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EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all

« on: October 12, 2012, 08:34:03 AM »

Who was able to take some shots with the 6D?

How was tha AF working? Fast? Accurate?

About a dozen of persons from our Club has been on the Photokina. One dozen persons and 3 dozens of opinions on the quality of the Camera. Some told that the AF was slow, others it was fast. Some told me, that the AF was not able to locate the right distance to the choosen object and changed to the background.
What was YOUR opinion to the AF?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all

« on: October 12, 2012, 04:35:02 AM »

There is much truth in the postings before.
- Our Economy "lives" from innovation and the desire to own the best and newest things.
- On an very big recent Canon workshop , some participants claimed the high prices. The answer: We need the money to make our products better - and to make our shareholders lucky. And THERE IS an "Apple" effect. Even if they would dobuble the price of the 5D3, the camera would be a cash cow. (In my opinion:  It is just an question of marketing. You just have to make the customers think that they NEED this Camera. )

- Why am I looking for better gear? Because I try to conceal my lack of knowlegde and skills with better equipment. And sometimes this solution works.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all

« on: October 11, 2012, 02:31:40 PM »

4000€ in my wallet want to be spent...

Does anybody know. if the AF of the 6D is FAST too, or just accurate at low light?

How can someone know? 6D is an imaginary camera for now. Although I guess Canon cannot tolerate postponing it for many months (D600 being the reason. Ins't competition nice?)
Are you starting from scratch?
In that case you could go for the kit 5DIII and 24-105 f/4L IS.

It is possible to get it in Europe for 4000 euros

One shop owner, who is working with Canon and offers Canon-workshops in south Germany, said, that he was albe to take some shots with it. So, I think the Camera exists.

No, digitally I am usiong an 7D and an 60D. I am looking for an replacement for the 7D, becauese of high noise & grain. (not repairable by Canon)

6D is completely different from 7D (with 1.6x crop factor and 8 fps). 7D is more useful for sports and generally subjects with movement and cases where someone is focal length limited. 6D will certainly have much lower noise but it will be much more suitable for landscapes (not 1.6X reach, not many fps). So for 4000 someone could get 1DmkIV to replace a 7D. It is 16Mp, 1.3X crop factor, has more fps and low noise. Unless you do not need the reach and fps. In that case a 5DmkIII would seem a nice alternative.

Yes, indeed! I hope that an alternative to the 7D soon appears. I hope for an 7D MK2. But, if you read the postings, there is some doubt about that.

A Camera in the class of about 2000€ would be great. So I can replace the Cam sooner, then when I have to spent more money for it. Crop would be good (more focal lenght) - with an better IQ of the 7D follower.


5D3 is an alternative for it. But I would like to use my 100-400 with an 1.4 extender. 400mm is not near enough for the living and steel birds. IQ & AF are much better, but I would loose much focal length.

Still looking on the 6D - maybe it is better then everybody says. Lets wait for the first reviews

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EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all

« on: October 11, 2012, 12:51:46 PM »

4000€ in my wallet want to be spent...

Does anybody know. if the AF of the 6D is FAST too, or just accurate at low light?

How can someone know? 6D is an imaginary camera for now. Although I guess Canon cannot tolerate postponing it for many months (D600 being the reason. Ins't competition nice?)
Are you starting from scratch?
In that case you could go for the kit 5DIII and 24-105 f/4L IS.

It is possible to get it in Europe for 4000 euros

One shop owner, who is working with Canon and offers Canon-workshops in south Germany, said, that he was albe to take some shots with it. So, I think the Camera exists.

No, digitally I am usiong an 7D and an 60D. I am looking for an replacement for the 7D, becauese of high noise & grain. (not repairable by Canon)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Looks like the 6D may not be so bad after all

« on: October 11, 2012, 11:14:20 AM »

4000€ in my wallet want to be spent...

Does anybody know. if the AF of the 6D is FAST too, or just accurate at low light?