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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D mk3 - A few complaints
« on: March 25, 2012, 11:36:48 PM »

1) Are the raw files just soft, or terrible in other respects?

2) Is it the smearing of the details that makes the jpegs so bad?

I hope this is just an issue with the DPP software.

1) Raw files in DPP preview look sharpand show lots of detail, when i preview in bridge with ACR6.7 installed they are noticably softer and editing in DPP much softer, opening in PS also softer than the DPP preview. Colour all looks really good, The detail has to be in the file, as it displays in the DPP preview so i'm not too concerned about the senor being a lemon. I feel its almost entirely related to the processing software not being right rather than a sensor thing.

2) the jpegs look awefull IMO, like heavy handed NR is being applied to iso100 files. sure NR the hell out of 25600 iso images in camera but there should be 0 NR applied to iso 100 jpgs. If i took a 5D2 raw file at iso 100 in topaz denoise and applied an overall noise reduction value of maybe 60 this would be similar to the jpegs out of camera, my typical use of denoise values are around 20-30 if i'm correcting 1600 iso to 3200 iso, i may sometimes pop a value of 5 on a portrait as it does a nice job cleaning up skin in a very subtle way that is not noticable as being post processed. (these are observations based on the standard settings the camera comes with, I dont work with jpegs at all other than to flick to people for a quick preview and usually i will downsize those to 1024x768 anyway if i'm going to email them. On my 5Dmk2 i record medium jpegs which are 10MP for this purpose on my 1Dmk3 i leave the jpegs full size which is also 10 or 11 MP.

Overall I'm very glad I didnt sell my 5D2s just in case, I really hope these issues get resolved soon as I'm going to china soon and really wanted to put this thing through its paces. At least i know i can rely on the 5Dmk2s anyway. I wont be shooting any paid work with the 5Dmk3 untill i'm 100% happy it can meet the 5Dmk2 standard though.

EOS Bodies / Re: Post your C1, C2, C3 settings
« on: March 25, 2012, 11:18:27 PM »
Something I've been wondering, there is all this wasted space on the dial, why not have more than 3 C positions?

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D mk3 - A few complaints
« on: March 25, 2012, 11:16:35 PM »
4. AF isnt as good as i was expecting in AI servo but I'm still playing with it (there are lots of settings to play with and test) so i'll have to reserve judgement on this but as for just turning it on and shooting with AI servo in standard mode the 1Dmk3 still eats it alive both in speed and accuracy :(
Perhaps I am doing something wrong maybe 7D users have some tips on getting the most from these new AF systems in AI servo.

Ack! Don't say that. I was hoping AF would be it's saving grace and reports had been generally really good so far.
What sport were you shooting?

(I just noticed you were using 50mm 1.4 and sigma 85 1.4, I don't know anything about the sigma, but the Canon 50mm 1.4 always seemed like an erratic lens to me for sports AI Servo. Where you comparing 50 1.4 on 5D3 to 70-200 2.8 on 1D3? I hope. Although if the 50 1.4 does noticeabyl worse on the 5D3 than the 1D3 that doesn't sound hot.)

lol Sport!? haha I was shooting my wife strolling towards me on a beach using standard mode selected spot focus, first trying outer points and then center point only, on the screen it looks like a high keeper rate but on the computer not so much. But Like I said I really need to spend alot more time playing with this AF there are ALOT of settings and i need to try AI servo with the 70-200 f2.8 and 300 f4L which i know work brilliantly on the 1Dmk3. But over the weekend the only lenses i was using were the sigma 85 1.4 the canon 50 1.4 and the canon 16-35 f2.8L II

EOS Bodies / Re: Does new DPP have a bug?
« on: March 25, 2012, 11:01:53 PM »
is anyone else noticing that ACR6.7 is softening the images compared to the DPP quickview as well.
currently there is no reliable way to process images from the 5D3 to equal the output of the 5Dmk2 :(

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D mk3 - A few complaints
« on: March 25, 2012, 10:43:37 PM »
This is a AF system new to many of us. We will first have to patiently master it before we overreact and think the world is ending.

I'm not overreacting, agree totally that I need to spend more time with the AF to get a handle on it there are so many more options and settings to be considered thats just for starters!

EOS Bodies / Re: 5DMIII Whats the verdict?
« on: March 25, 2012, 10:31:38 PM »
so far I absolutely love the size, build quality handling, viewfinder, speed and versitility
but i'm quite concerned the image quality is lower than the 5Dmk2 but i think I have to wait until
decent raw converters are available.
IMO the jpegs out of camera are next to useless

EOS Bodies / Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« on: March 25, 2012, 10:23:11 PM »
Re: rate button

Have any of you had to take photos and turn in "several good ones for web use" to sports information at halftime of a basketball game? I receive my 5D3 on Wednesday next week, and I am so hoping that the rate button will work by simply pressing it twice to give a default 1-star rating to a photo. If it requires pressing the button and selecting a rating with another knob, then yes, that will be extremely irritating.

Right now my workflow is like this:

* During the first half I have to be chimping after any major play, and if a photo is good or a play is good if I don't have time to chimp, then I take a blank picture of the floor after that sequence of photos containing the good photo.
* 1-3 minutes before half time I have to run to the media room, download all photos, look at them in thumbnail mode, scroll through the ones before the blank floor pictures, and then star the ones I want to turn in.
* Select and export the starred photos.
* Give flash drive to sports information about 15 minutes of wasted time, if I'm lucky.

Assuming that I can just do a quick double "click" of the rate button to assign it a 1-star default rating (the stars aren't important, because I'm not rating them, just indicating that I want to turn them in to SI), then the rate button would be a tremendous boon to me. I could lesiurely go to the media room, download photos, export the starred photos, and walk back with flash drive in hand in under 5 minutes.

Hopefully I can even have a direct ethernet connection so that someone else can use my pictures live, but I am not sure if I would be happy with that. Some people don't realize that every click of the shutter on a professional camera does not necessarily a cover photograph make. Letting someone else select photos would probably result in a bad representation of my work.

Anyway, I just thought that I would speak out in favor of what hopefully is going to be a good feature for me.

good explanation, I never shoot sport so never have that issue typically i find trying to identify if images are good or not on the screen is quite difficult.
It would be nice if they made the ability to assign other funtions to that button so people that will never use the rate button in their life can make it usefull for their purposes.

EOS Bodies / Re: Where are all the 5D Mark III raws?
« on: March 25, 2012, 10:18:11 PM »
I wanna know about the HDR setting. Is it cool? Or just a gimmick? Does it save out to a jpeg, exr, 32 bit raw?
not cool, gimmick, jpeg only

bracketing however is much cooler with 2 3 5 and 7 shot options and greater stop range available i'm bummed that you stillhave to go into the menu to enable it rather than being able to hold down a button and use the scroll wheel like the 1D

In-cam HDR is handy for seeing if a shot has potential, but I doubt I'd ever use the camera version even if it were something other than jpeg.

I have a 5-stop bracket arrangement as one my C1 custom mode, that works fairly well.
yep someone mentioned that use before, I agree it's handy from that perspective, its got these "styles" that can be applied to various tastes as well which are a little on the dodgy side.

Good idea on the C1 custom for quick access bracketing I might give that a go.

EOS Bodies / Re: Where are all the 5D Mark III raws?
« on: March 25, 2012, 10:11:12 PM »
I wanna know about the HDR setting. Is it cool? Or just a gimmick? Does it save out to a jpeg, exr, 32 bit raw?
not cool, gimmick, jpeg only

bracketing however is much cooler with 2 3 5 and 7 shot options and greater stop range available i'm bummed that you stillhave to go into the menu to enable it rather than being able to hold down a button and use the scroll wheel like the 1D

Technical Support / Re: Building a Studio Cyc...
« on: March 25, 2012, 09:58:29 PM »
this is the instructions and method i'm using to build mine but i'm not making the stands, i'm going to just screw timber battons into the concrete floor. Best construction video ever :D


I couldnt agree more about the manual focus. I just discovered last night if you put your lens in manual focus and hold the shutter button while focussing when in focus to the point you want it will flash red letting you know it has achieved focus. Really cool feature!
yep i noticed that too and the veiwfinder is sooooo much better for manual focus, I'm not really worried about changing screens in this one it has a much more 1D feel to it for MF

Hmmm. The part about the focus screen is interesting.

The 5DII does the same thing in manual focus (beeps and illuminates a red square), correct?
Correct but its new to me since i have a gen one 5D and a 1dm3. I'll have ot see if i can do that on the 1Dm3 but i doubt it. Cool feature!

I'm pretty sure on the 1Dmk3 the little green circle in the VF lights up when MF is achieved you dont get the actual AF point light up

EOS Bodies / Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« on: March 25, 2012, 08:32:09 PM »
thanks for emailing those jpgs fleetie!

but I feel your jpg processing is about on par with mine (vs how sharp the 5D2 is)
definately something funky with the in camera processing on these things IMO
at f8 the edges of those petals would be razor crisp on the 5D2

heres hoping there are some early firmware updates coming up

EOS Bodies / Re: So frustrated with new 5DmkIII - returning it!
« on: March 25, 2012, 08:27:57 PM »
I don't think the in-camera JPEGs are very good at this point either. I never shot JPEG on my Mk II, so I don't really know big the RAW vs. JPEG difference was in detail in good light, but with the Mk III the JPEGs loose a lot of detail compared to RAW images process with Adobe ACR 6.7 RC1 / DNG convertor. I think that Canon has a RAW processing problem in both the DPP software and the camera firmware. The Adobe processed RAWs show the detail is there. I've been looking at this a lot and would be glad to take a look at one of your RAW files compared to mine. You can sign up for a free dropbox.com account and upload it to your Public folder to share. You can do it all through their website if you don't want to install their software. My gmail address is the same as my username here.
I posted these raw comparisons in a couple of other threads

I feel the 5D2 is sharper still

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D mk3 - A few complaints
« on: March 25, 2012, 08:24:36 PM »
We must be from different universes because none of those things you mentioned about the cameras capability agree with my findings whatsoever, other than the adobe LR not having raw capability because CS5 does with the beta but DPP works very well. I just never use it so its kinda hard to navigate around it.
Maybe you got a dud because sharpness, focus speed, color, high iso, sharpness of images is lining up nicely enough for me to consider selling the 1dm3 i own for a 5dm3 and shoot sports with that. If you are testing fast lenses F1.8 and faster then turn servo off unless you have a 200 F1.8. Servo no matter what camera screwed with the high end primes.
I was testing with sigma 85 f1.4 and canon 50mm f1.4 I havent given it a good work out yet with my 70-200 2.8 yet I will and see if it helps the AF

you dont agree with the rate button being useless? i like having bracketing easily accessable horses for coarses I guess.

generally i really like the camera I just feel the IQ is not up to the level of my 5Dmk2 cameras at the moment. I am blaming this on raw converters I did post raws compared between my 5D2 and 5D3 previously. The 5D2 is clearly sharper

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5dII vs 5DIII Studio shot
« on: March 25, 2012, 07:51:58 PM »
I am not sure the III is out performing the II at 50 ISO. The III seems to lack detail compared to the II.

This is what I'm seeing also, clear as day. I still hope that it is because of the raw converter, maybe even the release candidate of ACR is doing something wrong with the 5D3 raws? Canon dpp shows the 5d3 files way less detailed than 5d2 files, as you can see here: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-III-DSLR-Camera-Review.aspx

the DPP preview is sharp its only once you start processing the detail disapears. The DPP preview is noticably sharper than ACR 6.7

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