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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« on: March 28, 2012, 06:34:08 PM »
Executive summary:

I dont know if its still the raw converter being funny but I still think the 5D2 images are sharper, there is definately no mind blowing improvement at ISO100 at very best it's going to be line ball.
Before i started this test i did turn off all NR and the aberation reduction etc just incase any of that shinanigans affected the raws.

TEST 1 files are the best
TEST 2 shows this method of doing AFMA isnt the most accurate compared to test 1
TEST 3 just handheld shots as acheck most are at minimum shutter speed due to low light still I managed to keep it to iso 100 for all lenses except the 300f4L (they are a bit under exposed though)

Thanks Wicki!  I wonder if the sharpness difference we are all seing between mkII and mkIII could be due to the RAW converter?  Also, you mentionned you turned off the lens correction in camera, did you have a chance to see if the in camera lens correction impact the sharpness of the mkIII?

I am still puzzeled why the mkII had the edge on sharpness...
I really think it could be the raw converter, One thing is all of this was done using center point only. when i was shooting out in the field and using a variety of AF points (before doing this test) the results were all over the place. I'm still not sold on the AF yet but really need to spend more time with it to be fair.
also the sharpness in this situation is really only an issue at pixel peeping level I cannot see it manifesting in prints unless they are bill boards.

As others have mentioned if for studio and landscape at iso 100 then there is very little benefit to upgrade from a 5Dmk2 to 5Dmk3.

I think form looking at my high iso stuff there is about a stop benefit in the 5Dmk3 however the noise at higher isos on the 5D3 looks much more like film grain and so for certain shots and shooting there will be a massive increase in useability

Personally I love the new handling ergonomics, feel, the viewfinder is a big step up IMO. more functions/ customisation ability, build quality all of this stuff doesnt show up in test samples

I'm glad you guys are getting some value out of it, I'm really keen to go over this again when final raw converters are released.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« on: March 28, 2012, 06:21:18 PM »
Thank-you for the hard work.

I took a look at the 70-200 @ 70 Test 1 shots on a NEC PA241 wide gamut.

I notice that the white balance is different - the 5DmII at 4450 and the 5DmIII at 4600. 

Attached a couple crops from the same images, 5DmII on top, 5DmIII on bottom.   

Sharpness - They are very close, but I do see some artifact/pattern on the 5DmII side - especially in the "10" section.   Its slightly there on the 5DmIII.  Zoom up on the "9" and you'll see definite diagonal banding on the 5DmII.  To be fair, it looks like the shots were not exactly the same size as the 5DmIII looks a bit wider (see the right side lineup).

Color - Also very close, but the very subtle shading - the stain above the "S" and the blue stripes, look fuller / slightly more saturated on the 5DmIII.  The red blocks on the 5DmII look redder - could be the white balance.

Now this is just one sample crop.   Interested in other analysis.

Please note, I used Adobe DNG Converter to clean process the 5DmIII CR2's.  Its a clean convert I understand.
LOL I am a dumb ass I left the cameras in AWB! I noticed the framing slightly different too which is strange as i made sure not to move the tripod when changing and particularly on the 70-200 as it was mounted to the tripod by the lens foot
also i realised the 16mm 5D3 shots from the 16-35 were actually at 17mm

I think if there is going to be another FF this year it's going to be an uber MP monster not a bargain basement one

It is going to need more than just lots of megapixels if it wants to be stop the exodus to the D800.

Too true, but its not just the D800 on its own it's target audience being primarily landscape togs means the D800 + 14-24 Nikkor make it a formidable combo at a reasonable price

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 85mm or 100mm Macro?
« on: March 28, 2012, 03:19:03 AM »
the 100 is brilliant if you dont need to faster than f2.8 but its IS is awesome

heres my test sample raws for it on the 5Dmk2 and 5Dmk3


i love street photography and would want to buy a dedicated street lens (maybe a prime over a L zoom). hoping to get a lens that i can use for street and music/concert photography. everyone just stares at you when you have a massive, white lens attached to a camera. i always feel awkward when that happens, doesnt help that the lens isnt a lightweight!

For the street pictures (I take people not scenes) I would use a 50f/1.4 or 85f/1.8 on the crop as you will look less intimidating from 20yds away

lol says the guy that actually uses a 400 f2.8! :P

Australia / Re: Buying Camera gear in Aus? Who do you use?
« on: March 28, 2012, 02:34:04 AM »
you should also keep an eye on gumtree in your area for any good deals on stuff you are looking for at least then you get to try it out

Australia / Re: Finally, cheap cameras in Australian shops
« on: March 28, 2012, 02:32:24 AM »
thats why I use paypal over ebay, because you are also covered by ebay if you get scammed (only if you pay using paypal though. why wont you use paypal?

Lenses / Re: Do you trust these online HK/china online stores?
« on: March 28, 2012, 02:29:54 AM »
haha thanks i'll keep that in mind. looks like i might be buying from digital rev. however hong kong buy and sell seems reasonably. i havent checked their shipping and warranty details yet.

also is there a big different from buying a genuine canon product and something's that in a "white box"? there's no canon box and manual but i've read some reviews on amazon where 3rd party vendors sell them and the customers are happy with the "white box" product - after being refunded the difference.

another online store is dirt cheap cameras based in sydney. im trying to figure out if they sell genuine canon products or if it's grey imports.

All the stuff i have got from those guys has been genuine canon in proper boxes with manuals and CD's, warranty cards etc, can usually tell by the warrnty card which market they are for I have had US market japanese market and hong kong market stuff

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon 5D Mark 3 + 85mm f1.2 II
« on: March 28, 2012, 02:22:12 AM »
no problems also the sigma is 2 and a half times cheaper and is still an amazing lens, easily my favourite

There seems to be some serious purple fringing going on in that sample. I just happened to have your 5D2 10028 test-1 sample up to compare it to.  The image with the 10028 on the 5D2 looks much better, and sharper than the 5D3 with the Sigma Lens.

Yep. the sigma has a fair bit of purple fringe at f1.4 (still sharp though) by f2 its all gone and gets sharper still
I definately feel the 5D2 is sharper, i'm hoping its all related to the dogdy raw converters we have access to at the moment. typically i shoot this lens at f2 for these reasons and to avoid too many DoF problems. I do find lightroom removes all the purple though in lens correction

And yeah that 100f2.8 is such a nice lens soooo sharp

Video & Movie / Re: Festival of Colors - Shot on MKII and MKIII
« on: March 28, 2012, 02:09:44 AM »
nice! you had better be careful nikon dont steal it for some promo material though...

Australia / Re: Finally, cheap cameras in Australian shops
« on: March 28, 2012, 02:05:09 AM »
There are like a million of these online HK/china-based sellers - how do you suss out the 'good' and reputable ones from the bad scammers greedy types?

method 1 do exactly what you are doing now research and ask people
method 2 email them and talk to them about stuff see how they communicate

the 2 i've sent stuff back 2 are oz digital online and digital rev both were awesome
oz digital let me send a tamron lens back purely based on the fact i hated it and it was rubbish not that it didnt work or anything, they gave me a credit which i sed towards a canon lens. their return address is in NSW
digital rev i accidentally ordered a nikkor 50mm D lens instead of a G lens they had already shipped it when i realised they called the courier had it returned before it got to me and sent me out the G of course i had to pay the difference but excellent service from either of those 2

Lenses / Re: Do you trust these online HK/china online stores?
« on: March 28, 2012, 01:58:42 AM »
I bought from digital camera warehouse years ago when they first started and they were cheap. now they are overpriced like most aussie stores. i think i might have bought something from t dimension once just cant remember what, I know people that have used DWI but seriously for the price differences and your level of nervousness just stick with digital rev and you wont feel a thing :D

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon 5D Mark 3 + 85mm f1.2 II
« on: March 28, 2012, 01:55:40 AM »
Perhaps rent both of them and try 'em out? If you buy sigma, ceck and test it to death to make sure you have a good copy!

yep if you go sigma get it from a bricks and mortar store in case you have issues, definately try them side by side at the same time so you can see the good and bad of each

another great choice might be the 30mm f1.4 siggy for your 7d
and snag a 5D classic as a second body and the 135 f2
that would be a sweet little paring for what you want

all of that would be cheaper than the 85mm f1.2L on its own

on a 7D for what you want get the sigma 30mm f1.4 (this is a crop only lens) gives close to the 50mm on FF and the sigma 85mm f1.4 (the 85 will be about 120mm on ff) great for tighter shots
you can sort out focus issues with AFMA


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